Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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CloudyReality
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Can anyone tell me if the odor issue has been 100% fixed? I can't figure out how to make a new topic yet but I am looking for whichever vaporizer is the healthiest and least toxic. I thought maybe the Aromed 4.0 because it doesn't use coil heating at all, but it uses a really bright halogen bulb which I'm not sure about in terms of EMFs, "dirty electricity" some types of bulbs can create, as well some of the plastic components. Online it says they are medically studied and stamped as safe, non-toxic plastics, but still, I prefer an all glass or all stainless steel pathway. Then I also thought maybe the Zephyr Ion, but apparently that's mostly a bag vape that doesn't work too well with a whip, and I'd rather not vape out of a plastic bag for the same reason.
Those, and the Cloud Evo, are all I know about that claim to separate the coils or toxic heating away from the herb and air path. I was about to order the Evo but then I started reading about the odor issues. I know manufacturers always say everything is safe but I'm not interested in being a guinea pig for inhaling burning bamboo or burning wire smoke with my vapor, so I'd only want to get the Cloud if that problem has been identified and fixed with the current models.
Or are there any other ones known for being completely non-toxic? The first vape I settled on, before realizing the health aspect, was actually the plenty, but it mentioned nothing about filtering the aluminum coil heating from the vapor.
Those, and the Cloud Evo, are all I know about that claim to separate the coils or toxic heating away from the herb and air path. I was about to order the Evo but then I started reading about the odor issues. I know manufacturers always say everything is safe but I'm not interested in being a guinea pig for inhaling burning bamboo or burning wire smoke with my vapor, so I'd only want to get the Cloud if that problem has been identified and fixed with the current models.
Or are there any other ones known for being completely non-toxic? The first vape I settled on, before realizing the health aspect, was actually the plenty, but it mentioned nothing about filtering the aluminum coil heating from the vapor.
KimDracula
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The only odor issue I'm aware of with the EVO is the smell from the neoprene heat sleeve. That dissipates after a while and the shield isn't strictly necessary anyway. You're just dealing with a glass tube that goes through the middle of the unit and is separate from the electronics, so the EVO sounds like it should work for you.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I'm not really sure what odor issue you're referring to. The neoprene heat sleeve that they sell now has a fairly strong smell to it. But it dissipates after a while. That's not in your vapor bath though. I don't use one though.
I got thrown a free half heat sleeve when they first came out. I didn't like the smell, and put it away. I just use my EVO naked. Just don't grab the upper half, and you'll be ok.
And just to clarify, there is no actual bamboo in the EVO. "Bamboo" is a slang term that refers to the glass tube that stretches from top to bottom in the vape, it is your air-path. It is called the bamboo because the little chambers that are part of the design resemble the cross section of a bamboo stalk.
The heater is wrapped around the outside of the glass, and never is in contact with the air path. Your air path is either completely glass if using the VXNail for concentrates, or glass and stainless steel if you're using herb.
The Cloud Evo is an all glass pathway... ie, the bamboo is made of glass.
Edited: As the posters above have stated.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah and just to add to what others explained beautifully, there may be a fresh factory smell, but it is faint and disappears after the first couple hours left on. Some never even have noticed it at all, and at low temps its pretty much a non issue it seems... Should be fine
Regarding other pure vapes, I'd say check out logs or torch vapes too for ultimate purity
YungLeaner
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does anyone know how much it costs to get a new bamboo nowadays? 120$ is pricey enough that I should have just gotten in on the recent big sale, but my Evo was working fine through Halloween...something changed recently. It isn't that the glass is broken, but at the top the 18mm Joint is loose, I can twist the bamboo from side to side and push it in and out, and there isn't a perfect seal when conjoined with glass.
I have tried twisting it every which way and it doesn't seem to help very much--I'll occasionally get a huge rip but it isn't very functional. I wonder if there's any service for "tightening" or "adjustment" of the bamboo that would cost less than a full replacement? Anyways, just wondering how much it cost. I'll of course open a support ticket soon, but thought I would bring it up as someone who has participated in this thread previously and truly loves his Evo.
In place of the Evo I've been using my Zephyr Ion with a DIY SSV style-tubing whip and a type of "elbow joint" that appears to be fully resistant to the Ion's temps that I picked up from the plumbing section of Home Depot. On the bong end, I have stuck the 1/4 x 3/8 tubing into a 14mm female reducer and have been doing a sort of forced-air Vapor bonging while the Evo is out of commission.
It's a lot of fun, as it bubbles the water and creates diffusion for you. But it is so far from peak Evo function in terms of vapor taste, thickness and efficiency that it's honestly a fucking joke and just makes me miss my Evo all the more. Fuck Combustion, but also fuck other vaporizers? Lol
I have tried twisting it every which way and it doesn't seem to help very much--I'll occasionally get a huge rip but it isn't very functional. I wonder if there's any service for "tightening" or "adjustment" of the bamboo that would cost less than a full replacement? Anyways, just wondering how much it cost. I'll of course open a support ticket soon, but thought I would bring it up as someone who has participated in this thread previously and truly loves his Evo.
In place of the Evo I've been using my Zephyr Ion with a DIY SSV style-tubing whip and a type of "elbow joint" that appears to be fully resistant to the Ion's temps that I picked up from the plumbing section of Home Depot. On the bong end, I have stuck the 1/4 x 3/8 tubing into a 14mm female reducer and have been doing a sort of forced-air Vapor bonging while the Evo is out of commission.
It's a lot of fun, as it bubbles the water and creates diffusion for you. But it is so far from peak Evo function in terms of vapor taste, thickness and efficiency that it's honestly a fucking joke and just makes me miss my Evo all the more. Fuck Combustion, but also fuck other vaporizers? Lol
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
does anyone know how much it costs to get a new bamboo nowadays? 120$ is pricey enough that I should have just gotten in on the recent big sale, but my Evo was working fine through Halloween...something changed recently. It isn't that the glass is broken, but at the top the 18mm Joint is loose, I can twist the bamboo from side to side and push it in and out, and there isn't a perfect seal when conjoined with glass.
I have tried twisting it every which way and it doesn't seem to help very much--I'll occasionally get a huge rip but it isn't very functional. I wonder if there's any service for "tightening" or "adjustment" of the bamboo that would cost less than a full replacement? Anyways, just wondering how much it cost. I'll of course open a support ticket soon, but thought I would bring it up as someone who has participated in this thread previously and truly loves his Evo.
In place of the Evo I've been using my Zephyr Ion with a DIY SSV style-tubing whip and a type of "elbow joint" that appears to be fully resistant to the Ion's temps that I picked up from the plumbing section of Home Depot. On the bong end, I have stuck the 1/4 x 3/8 tubing into a 14mm female reducer and have been doing a sort of forced-air Vapor bonging while the Evo is out of commission.
It's a lot of fun, as it bubbles the water and creates diffusion for you. But it is so far from peak Evo function in terms of vapor taste, thickness and efficiency that it's honestly a fucking joke and just makes me miss my Evo all the more. Fuck Combustion, but also fuck other vaporizers? Lol
Service repairs weren't on sale during the 2-year anniversary sale. You still would have paid $120 if you had gotten your bamboo replaced then.
Is your bamboo still air tight? If it is, it might not need replacing. It might be covered under warranty too, hard to say. Even if it's not, I'd have to imagine it'd be cheaper than replacing it.
I'd definitely refrain from trying to twist or tighten the bamboo any more though, that's only going to do more harm than good.
Socks And Sandals
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:Fistbump: right back at ya!
I love this vape too!!! I'm using less than a quarter of the amount I would use in my other vape for an entire session! I have an 11 O clock also and honestly I use noon exclusively too! But that would be 1 o clock on the dial for the Noon Notch guys! I know is kinda sad that we have to differentiate the units now.. but hey.. it is what it is apparently.
Dude I completely agree about the tastes on higher temps too! They just don't bother me! Hell even the taste of my Plenty vape at the highest setting doesn't even taste bad to me! I've also left my unit on for nearly 30 mins at our highest 4 o clock setting and trust me.. our units.. these 11 o clock units just won't combust! I wish i could say the same for my E nano (that had to be a lemon) but I can't.
It sucks concentrates aren't that readily available where you are at but hopefully that will change. My knowledge of reclaim is very limited from a few posts I've read here but since I do change my honeycomb's water every day, I'm not sure if that would work or not lol. I just picked up some shatter (god I absolutely fear and detest handling this shit
and I think from now on I'll be sticking to the budder, crumble, and only the non gooey concentrates from here on out) and have been dabbing at 12 and was going to ask you what temp works best for you and every one else here? Seems like everytime I try to cut a piece off of the dab in the silicone container, It goes flying across the room or I lose it. LOL. Anyhow if you have any pics of this reclaim and how you collect it, I'd love to see them!I promised myself tonight I was going to put some of the EVO's ABV into my Plenty and My Plenty's ABV into my Evo to see just how consistent these things compare but I wanna try your method of just covering the screen and hitting it at 1 o clock! Glad to hear it helps your nausea.. but here's another tip.. try drinking the High fructose syrup from a can of canned pears or peaches. It may not be the healthiest thing to do but it certainly isn't the worst either.. not only that, I can confirm it works! Pear juice especially!
And dude.. my kief is building up and so is my ABV for my first batch of brownies!
P.S. Do you normally stir your ELB's? Sometimes I very lightly tap it down with my Storz and Bickle brushes but I have never stirred them yet. One thing I notice is that the herb sticks to the top of the cap and not resting on the bottom of the ELB? I dunno, maybe it's normal due to the draw.
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saltywetman
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a bit off topic from the current discussions, but what are the chances of seeing the hydrabase bomb edition returning to the roster?
Socks And Sandals
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I think I missed this the first time but Thank you for this! This really takes the guess work out of things. Thanks again for the tips and the link!Its not mentioned because there is room for error and VXL would be responsible for taking care of the mistakes. For most situations a long, wooden, cotton swab or spindled paper towel with a little ISO will work fine. If you get oil below the restrictions and full immersion is necessary the best solution I saw was to put a small balloon on the bottom end, put in some ISO, put another small balloon on the upper end and swish the ISO up and down the tube, then take the bottom off and drain when done. Rinse with fresh balloons and water, then dry completely before use.
See Amazon, your choice of regular or tapered tip . . . http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008CPU4EC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
Hey man, If you scroll up, @twosilvertrees had the same problem and according to @Roth if you set the evo's dial in the notch position and toggle the power on and off 10 times, it resets it somehow. It solved his problem, give it a try! Credit goes to Roth
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Frank Reynolds
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Can't wait to get my EVO back so I took a video of my original still pumping out clouds.
twosilvertrees
lose the planetary mindset
@Frank Reynolds Got the Office in the background too! Hope you get your EVO back soon but it seems like you're managing pretty well with what you've got 
@DaftDrunk What Socks said! I was having the exact same problem but leaving the unit unplugged for about fifteen minutes and then plugging it back in, followed by rapidly toggling the switch with the knob set in its "resting notch" position (for me it's around 11 o'clock, but your unit may vary) until it started behaving appropriately again worked perfectly for me! Hope it gets you sorted as well.
@Socks And Sandals I've never heard of the corn syrup tip! I generally try to avoid corn syrup in my daily life otherwise I'd give it a shot
. Thankfully I have medication (both herbal and otherwise!) to manage my symptoms and usually that's enough. The reclaim I made was actually from my Mighty's CU and not from my EVO, although I'm currently doing the same process albeit it very slowly with my HT LOL. Basically every time I clean my HT I use the same ISO that I keep stored in a mason jar inbetween cleanings. Helps save me some ISO and in the future it might be possible to use it for reclaim! Eventually the goal is to evaporate all the ISO out of the mixture so all that's left are the goodies, which you can then scrape up and dab. I know it gets some people RIPPED but I will say my Mighty reclaim doesn't give me more than a light body stone, although I never consume all that much of it at once.
I've never had the pleasure of dealing with shatter (insert quiet weeping here) but I can definitely sympathize about being not-so-great at dealing with super sticky oils, LOL. I'm still not sure I'm using the VXN all that effectively just because I can never get the concentrate to sit on the bottom of the nail, LOL. It's always just scraped along the sides.
I always give my ELBs a stir btw! I grind my material pretty finely but not MFLB finishing grinder finely (just upside-down 4-piece finely, LOL) before popping it into the ELB. Usually I take hits off of it until I notice vapor production has either tapered off or stopped completely, and then i pull out the ELB and open it up to give the contents a quick stir with a thin metal rod I used to use to clean my PAX. This has the added benefit of pulverizing the material further! So it essentially makes your weed a super fine grind, and it's usually enough to add an extra decent hit or two. Plus it's super easy! The ELB is rarely too hot to handle and it takes all of five seconds to give the little sucker a quick stir.
I do use my S&B brushes to clean out the last of the ABV powder lingering in my ELB inbetween sessions/ISO cleanings LOL.
@DaftDrunk What Socks said! I was having the exact same problem but leaving the unit unplugged for about fifteen minutes and then plugging it back in, followed by rapidly toggling the switch with the knob set in its "resting notch" position (for me it's around 11 o'clock, but your unit may vary) until it started behaving appropriately again worked perfectly for me! Hope it gets you sorted as well.
@Socks And Sandals I've never heard of the corn syrup tip! I generally try to avoid corn syrup in my daily life otherwise I'd give it a shot
. Thankfully I have medication (both herbal and otherwise!) to manage my symptoms and usually that's enough. The reclaim I made was actually from my Mighty's CU and not from my EVO, although I'm currently doing the same process albeit it very slowly with my HT LOL. Basically every time I clean my HT I use the same ISO that I keep stored in a mason jar inbetween cleanings. Helps save me some ISO and in the future it might be possible to use it for reclaim! Eventually the goal is to evaporate all the ISO out of the mixture so all that's left are the goodies, which you can then scrape up and dab. I know it gets some people RIPPED but I will say my Mighty reclaim doesn't give me more than a light body stone, although I never consume all that much of it at once.I've never had the pleasure of dealing with shatter (insert quiet weeping here) but I can definitely sympathize about being not-so-great at dealing with super sticky oils, LOL. I'm still not sure I'm using the VXN all that effectively just because I can never get the concentrate to sit on the bottom of the nail, LOL. It's always just scraped along the sides.
I always give my ELBs a stir btw! I grind my material pretty finely but not MFLB finishing grinder finely (just upside-down 4-piece finely, LOL) before popping it into the ELB. Usually I take hits off of it until I notice vapor production has either tapered off or stopped completely, and then i pull out the ELB and open it up to give the contents a quick stir with a thin metal rod I used to use to clean my PAX. This has the added benefit of pulverizing the material further! So it essentially makes your weed a super fine grind, and it's usually enough to add an extra decent hit or two
. Plus it's super easy! The ELB is rarely too hot to handle and it takes all of five seconds to give the little sucker a quick stir.I do use my S&B brushes to clean out the last of the ABV powder lingering in my ELB inbetween sessions/ISO cleanings LOL.
harmless healing
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Ah so now I got the final release limited quality excuse about the HydraTree, which are all apparently sold out now...
So replacement may be tricky, asked about possibly recovering the one I sent back since it at least performed better than this one, but I don't know if they can track it down or not...
Jeff also offered me the opportunity to swap it out for the Evolver HydraCirc which seems like it was just added. Thankfully it's got a similar style, just the perc is different so I don't know... Anyone have experience with that one? Anyone who has used both to compare?
So replacement may be tricky, asked about possibly recovering the one I sent back since it at least performed better than this one, but I don't know if they can track it down or not...
Jeff also offered me the opportunity to swap it out for the Evolver HydraCirc which seems like it was just added. Thankfully it's got a similar style, just the perc is different so I don't know... Anyone have experience with that one? Anyone who has used both to compare?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
If it were me, I'd probably wait til they have some of the new style hydratubes back in stock (Turbine, Honeycomb, Hydrabomb). I think the form factor on those are greatly improved, I like the thick base so no hydrafoot is needed. I believe they're also slightly larger than the other ones in stock now, and I like the larger volume in the can
c76man
In search of the best terps and smoothest vapor
@Shit Snacks I have not tried a hydratree, so I can't compare. I do have a side circ though, and it is my least favorite hydratube by far out of 5 hydratubes (others are a custom recycler, SSFG hydraline, hydra bomb, and a turbine). I personally would not recommend it.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
If it were me, I'd probably wait til they have some of the new style hydratubes back in stock (Turbine, Honeycomb, Hydrabomb). I think the form factor on those are greatly improved, I like the thick base so no hydrafoot is needed. I believe they're also slightly larger than the other ones in stock now, and I like the larger volume in the can
I actually decided I don't like those ones so much, with the big chamber on the bottom, lots more to clean and just unnecessary imo.
That style also limits me from using it with other vapes, where as this style works more easily with everything, and I do already have the hydrafoot that came with mine anyhow...
@c76man do you think that has to do with the piece itself though, or the perc? Since that is a side car vs straight and swagger vs evolver? I guess swagger side circ vs side tree would be a comparable comparison kind of?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
What would keep you from using the new hydratube with other vapes that the older ones wouldn't? Not sure that it would be more difficult to clean either. Slightly more surface area, but not more difficult imo.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
The huge glass area around the 18mm joint, makes it tricky for Daisy/Lily/Zion at least, and just bigger, more too handle, not as mobile.
For the cleaning, I just mean the larger area would be more area for vapor to condense in there, vs the evolver tubes, so more to clean more often and trickier to do so...
Also Jeff actually only offered me the evolver circ, so I don't even know if that's on the table. I live the tree, I'd just like a more perfect one, and if my only choice is the circ, at least I haven't yet tried a circ perc? Asked if I could try it without giving up the tree just yet...
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I'd be willing to bet he didn't offer the newer style to you simply because they're not in stock at the moment, and was wanting to get something to you quickly. Didn't want to make you wait. If those are the ones you want, I'd be shocked if they didn't accommodate you.
I don't have a Daisy/Lily/Zion, so can't comment directly on those hooking up to a hydratube. I still don't really see how it would be more difficult, but that could easily be simply because I don't have one to see the issue. I guess in my mind, what would change? The bottom "platform" where the joint is is the same height, so unless those vapes had something weird sticking up around where you'd connect it, idk.
And definitely true they're a little larger, but to me, that's actually a plus. They were still smaller than I was expecting, but that seems to be the case with most vape equipment.
And I'm totally not trying to push you one way or another, just wanted to make sure you knew all the options! Personal tastes are just that, personal. So get what looks best to you
CloudyReality
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Thanks for the replies guys. What are torch and log vapes and why are they better? Never heard of them. I just googled best vaporizers and found articles about portable vs table top, convection vs direct heating, and then lists of the best ones, none of which mentioned log vapes or torch vapes.
Also, if I get the Evo, which of the current hydra tubes should I get? There's the turbine, the honeycomb or something, and a few others. I plan to use the Evo right side up.
Edit just googled the log and torch vapes. Cant find much but results for butane torches and pens when googling torch vapes, but found some wooden "log vapes." From the outside it just looks like a big wooden bong almost? How exactly does it turn the smoke into vapor rather than smoke? Or what's better about it and why do most prefer table vapes? What would I be losing if I went that direction as opposed to the Cloud?
Also, if I get the Evo, which of the current hydra tubes should I get? There's the turbine, the honeycomb or something, and a few others. I plan to use the Evo right side up.
Edit just googled the log and torch vapes. Cant find much but results for butane torches and pens when googling torch vapes, but found some wooden "log vapes." From the outside it just looks like a big wooden bong almost? How exactly does it turn the smoke into vapor rather than smoke? Or what's better about it and why do most prefer table vapes? What would I be losing if I went that direction as opposed to the Cloud?
log vapes are like the e-nano or underdog
torch vapes would be something like the Hammer or daisy or maybe dab rigs
All the vapes above have dedicated threads on here in the plug-in and portable sections
The choice of Hydratube is a tough one.
Are you looking for flavour, or more diffusion/cooling/smoothness?
I ended up going with the Turbine for flavour
torch vapes would be something like the Hammer or daisy or maybe dab rigs
All the vapes above have dedicated threads on here in the plug-in and portable sections
The choice of Hydratube is a tough one.
Are you looking for flavour, or more diffusion/cooling/smoothness?
I ended up going with the Turbine for flavour
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