Magical Butter

CarolKing said:

I had a sore knee so I applied some of the leftover sludge on my knee holding it on with some gauze for 30 min. I got really sleepy an hour later and took a 3 hour nap afterward. It must have been the combination of the applied cannabis sludge and I had tried out a teaspoon of the oil.

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IMO, it was probably the teaspoon you ingested rather than the applied sludge that made you sleepy. Although it can be relaxing, testing on my salve has shown that none of the THC absorbs into your system. Even after several weeks of use.

However, the effects can be extremely relaxing; especially if you add some aromatherapy oils to it (for topical use only). It's even reduced anxiety for my daughter.

CarolKing said:

When you strain you lose so much oil, I like this method better of letting the oil settle then pour.

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There's really no reason to strain when you are using your oil as an edible. I only strain when I'm using the oil for salve. I don't want the 'debris' to be an irritant. And I use the 'settling' method prior to straining so as not to lose too much oil.

Hmmm. Nice point.

Have you ever tried adding emu oil to your topicals?

Secondly, any idea if they might give a positive for tests, that is the use of topicals?

And from direct experience, that is when using salves with amber absolute and emu oil, they for sure do the job for people suffering from rheuma or artrose symptoms.

Still, I also think the orally taken oil probably is more responsible for the experienced effects. Thing is, topicals seem to work their magic without any, or substantially less, of the ' side -effects ' the same dose would give when taken sublingually. Remember to try and keep it under your tong as long as possible. Swallowing it works too, but you definitely lose some effectiveness in comparison to using it sublingually.

Hace fun in the kitchen.

tepictoton said:

Have you ever tried adding emu oil to your topicals?

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I have not. I am thinking of changing from coconut oil to rice bran oil though. I just found out that coconut oil is a barrier oil so it inhibits the absorption of the salve. Which leads me to your next question...

tepictoton said:

Secondly, any idea if they might give a positive for tests, that is the use of topicals?

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I have a few people who have used it for weeks and then done the pee tests given out during probation (after an arrest). Nothing showed up in their system after several weeks of daily, liberal usage. I do wonder if the coconut oil was the reason. I'll report back when I've made a batch with the rice bran oil instead.

Funny - I bought a bottle of rice bran oil last week. I'm just going to put herb in it and let it sit in the windowsill to warm.

I used the clean cycle of the MB to process frozen bud and EC last week as well. Much more effective than a 3 minute shake, and no heat that I could see on the cycle.

so , even though none of these threads get posted in like I originally thought

was wondering if people had a final consensus on if the Magical Butter machine

makes better quality butter than the other methods?

Of course it depends on the strain and how much you use

but if all the variables are the same and the only thing you are doing dif

is converting the thc through the Magical Butter, is it really that much better overall ?

CarolKing said:

I'm curious if I could put it on the tincture setting so I wouldn't have to keep turning the cycle back on. Give a shout out if you know, that runs for 4 hours. Glycerine is thick like the oil so it would be the same consistency.

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I'm pretty sure all the cycles are the same: heat to set temp, then begin alternating blend and rest cycles until indicated time has elapsed, then stop and beep. The names are just there as reminders of the officially recommended time for each medium.

Oh, and topical application is only effective locally - in other words, applying it to your joints will help them, but will result in minimal (if any) psychoactive effects. The transdermal uptake of cannabinoids is extremely minute, to the point of not being useful. Good for sore muscles and joints, but won't go to your head. There are times that might be a good thing.

ItsMedicine said:

was wondering if people had a final consensus on if the Magical Butter machine makes better quality butter than the other methods?

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I dunno if it's necessarlily "better", but it is certainly more convenient, and I think the final product is at least as good as the same thing done the traditional way.

So, perhaps It is better overall, since it is not only more convenient, but the fact that the machine controls time and temperature (once you've made your selections), the product is more consistent than doing it manually, where you have to regulate the temperature and keep track of the time. I love the fact that every batch I make from the same harvest and strain comes out exactly the same. When I use a different strain, I know that is the only variable, so I know that whatever differences I perceive can be attributed solely to the difference in strain, as the machine assures that my time, temperature, and technique remain the same.

ItsMedicine said:

is converting the thc through the Magical Butter, is it really that much better overall ?

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Great question, as i'm new to this thread and am interested in starting to make edibles (again). I've had horrible experiences in the past, mostly related to taste (barf) but I think it was due to using a strainer/sieve which allowed too much crap through, but now i've purchased cheese cloth.

Should I pick up one of these? Or am I good enough just continuing to use a crock pot on low heat for a day or so? Time to start reading....

ItsMedicine said:

so , even though none of these threads get posted in like I originally thought

was wondering if people had a final consensus on if the Magical Butter machine

makes better quality butter than the other methods?

Of course it depends on the strain and how much you use

but if all the variables are the same and the only thing you are doing dif

is converting the thc through the Magical Butter, is it really that much better overall ?

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i tried making butter a couple times in the 90s without much success. i got a magical butter machine and made a few great batches of oil. i never would have tried it again without the machine. for me, it's easy, convenient and less hit and miss than the other ways. i always decarb in the oven first.

ItsMedicine said:

so , even though none of these threads get posted in like I originally thought

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Not quite sure what you are implying here....?

ItsMedicine said:

is it really that much better overall ?

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This is sort of subjective. I know Vito still prefers the 'traditional' crock pot method. However, many (myself included) have had more success with the Magical Butter machine. I find it easier and more consistent.

biohacker said:

I've had horrible experiences in the past, mostly related to taste (barf)

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The taste isn't going to change using the machine. The trick is to find recipes that mask the taste.

Apparently the taste is supposed to be delightful with coconut oil as long as the cheese cloth is used? Can coconut oil be used in the Magical Butter?

I'm pretty certain my past foul experiences have been due to improperly straining via a sieve. Potent, but vomit inducing taste and aroma lol

Hi everyone, I haven't been to FC in awhile, and I'm really glad to find a MB thread here. I recently bought one, and I'm glad I did. I'm still experimenting, and I've learned quite a bit from this thread. Thank you to all who contributed!
I'm a legal medical patient, so that's my primary interest. I also grow my own, and have recently started taking advantage of a new testing lab that opened, the first in the state to my knowledge.
Anywho, so far I've only had some flowers tested, but I'm moving on to concentrates and edibles. Currently the lab can only do cannabinoids, but will soon be able to test for terpenes and contaminates as well.
I have a grow thread on another forum where I've posted the first flower test results I got, and I'll continue to post all subsequent tests.
I'll make an effort to post the MB test results here as well. I don't know if it's ok to post a link to another forum here, so I won't do that unless I'm told that it's ok.
One of the things I'm looking for is the best way to decarb in the MB. I also want to do it using fresh material, to preserve as many terpenes as possible.
Maximizing terpenes and cannabinoids is my goal, and I think the MB has what it takes to produce consistent results.
I've only used it twice so far, and I'm waiting for the lab to get the rest of their equipment installed to continue. As soon as I get some results to share I'll let you know.
Hopefully this will help answer a few questions for me And you!

biohacker said:

Can coconut oil be used in the Magical Butter?

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Absolutely. And yes; it does improve on the taste.

mainah said:

I have a grow thread on another forum where I've posted the first flower test results I got, and I'll continue to post all subsequent tests. I'll make an effort to post the MB test results here as well. I don't know if it's ok to post a link to another forum here, so I won't do that unless I'm told that it's ok.
One of the things I'm looking for is the best way to decarb in the MB. I also want to do it using fresh material, to preserve as many terpenes as possible.

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In accordance to our rules:

• Topics concerning the cultivation of cannabis are not permitted.

Decarbing in the machine for an hour at 220 degrees seems to be the easiest and most effective method that we have found.

Thanks for the warm welcome...adios!

jeffp said:

First go round with the butter machine. The results were good but they will be better next time as I understand the manner in which it's configured, and I have a suggestion that I'll end this post with.
My intent was to prepare oil for a batch of brownies. As many of us here do, I had one half cup of ABV and a half cup of coconut oil, but this does not come close to reaching the minimum level. Because the ABV is always ground it's more compressed and loses height. Yet I ran the machine for one hour under minimum level and it did cycle through to completion.

So, this machine is great but for larger quantities and not for ABV. I can see utilizing it as intended with larger quantities of virgin bud with the specified minimum amount of coconut oil and using the oil for pretty much everything.

How long will infused oil last before losing potency and is the refrigerator the best place to store it?

Suggestion: How about a Magical Butter Mini Machine that has a minimum level of about half, or a drop in adapter configured for smaller quantities?

Very glad I bought the machine; I see nothing but potential here. As is, in its present state, I'll continue to use the cold infusion method for ABV brownies, and use the butter machine for more interesting projects when a half ounce of virgin bud is available.

But I'd love so much if it was adaptable to smaller quantities...

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So is your reasoning that "this is not for ABV" due to a quantity concern, or is there something else going on there? Because if you just feel that the ABV doesn't "fill" the container, wouldn't that be solved by adding either more oil (weaker, sure, but just use more) or more ABV?

Hah... I just gathered some quotes to answer, and see they've already been answered. So... I'll just add my own comments.

biohacker said:

Can coconut oil be used in the Magical Butter?

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Coconut oil in MBM? - Absolutely - works great!

mainah said:

One of the things I'm looking for is the best way to decarb in the MB.

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Decarb in MBM? - A resounding YES (at least with coconut oil)! Put just your oil and your buds in the machine, select 220 degrees and one hour. When that cycle finishes, add lecithin (optional, but recommended) and then select 160 and whatever time you want. I usually do two hours. Some like to run three or even four hours.

Making my first 1 ounce herb to 2 cup Coconut Oil /1 tbsp Soy Lecithin batch right now, will run the 160 x 8 hour cycle two times with a rest in between (no oven decarb). I want as potent as possible but not sedative, do people agree with this strategy?
I'm going to make cookies, do I need to strain result with filter or can I use whatever the result is as the oil for the cookies ( herb and all).

If filtering is required, can anything be done with the filtered herb, is any potency left in it?

Thank you!!

rickross said:

do people agree with this strategy?

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Actually, common consensus is that a 1 hour decarb at 220 in the machine works best. Then add your lecithin (if you are adding) and run at 160 for whatever you feel you want (no less than the standard amount for oil, butter, etc., but more if you desire)

Because you are cooking with it, you do not have to strain. But allowing the herb to settle for a bit will reduce the amount of residue in your butter or oil.

If you read the last 4 -5 pages of this thread, this is all outlined in detail.

And yes.. you can do something with the filtered herb. Do some reading.

And welcome to the forum.

momofthegoons said:

Actually, common consensus is that a 1 hour decarb at 220 in the machine works best. Then add your lecithin (if you are adding) and run at 160 for whatever you feel you want (no less than the standard amount for oil, butter, etc., but more if you desire)

Because you are cooking with it, you do not have to strain. But allowing the herb to settle for a bit will reduce the amount of residue in your butter or oil.

If you read the last 4 -5 pages of this thread, this is all outlined in detail.

And yes.. you can do something with the filtered herb. Do some reading.

And welcome to the forum.

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Thanks for the quick reply, I had previously read that the MB2e would raise the temperature above the current setting in order to decarb, I guess that's not the case.

The 160 x 8 hours (twice with rest) came from someone the United page, seems a lot of people there follow the long and slow method, I'm a newbie so I have no idea.

Given that I already ran my oil batch for 8 hours at 160 (only 1 hour rest so far), what should I be doing next to save the batch? still put it though a 220 x 1hour or is it too late?

Do you guys generally believe in resting/soaking, how long is your recommendation?

Thanks for confirming I don't need to strain, I'll just use whatever is there for my cookie batches.

Thank you!

rickross said:

still put it though a 220 x 1hour or is it too late

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Check out this decarb graph from Skunk Pharm http://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/

I would put it thru a decarb cycle at 220.

OK thanks, will do. Any rest period required afterwards? Any point to running at 160 afterwards since I already did that prematurely?

I need some advice. My buddy had a crop with a lot of seeds and was wondering if it will affect the butter in my magical butter machine. He says it will take too much time to try to get rid of the seeds. Thanks

@mixchu69 salad spinner? Just a thought

@mixchu69 I would imagine the seeds would settle and go the bottom even if they were ground up I would think after your oil is processed. Straining also would get rid of pieces but letting your oil settle makes a better product in the end.

This machine is pretty hardy. I don't think it would slow the process down.

Try with the smallest batch you if can and see how it works. You have to fill up to the first line including your oil.

Also decarb with the oil in the BM like @MrNaturalAZ suggests, you get better results.

Try the salad spinner, that's sounds like a good idea. You could find one at the Good Will pretty cheap.

I tried an experiment about a week ago and wanted to make mention of it here. Not having the required ounce I added less than an ounce of damiana leaf to about a half ounce of bud including some ABV, filling to cover with coconut oil with about a teaspoon of organic non GMO soy lecithin. Damiana looks a little like bud and I know that the effects of damiana tea synergizes nicely with vaping. So I figured I'd give it a whirl. Decarboxylation from within the machine for the first hour, and then two cycles of 160.

I'm glad that I tried this. Is it amazing? No - the effects are definitely not off the charts intense but I expected that going in. But one heaping tablespoon significantly accentuates a vaping session, it's a little trippy and a little narcotic. I may go this route again or I may continue to experiment blending other herbs together. I know that one teaspoon without vaping would garner a very functional, sharpened consciousness. An ounce of damiana is $5 on Ebay if you're inclined to check this out. I'd be interested in suggestions of other herbs that would likely mate well.

Hello All, What is everyone's ratio of ABV to butter when using the MB2?


Anyone have any successful recipes??


THANKS!!!