The ethnobotanical thread

@herbmeister thanks for all the Kava Kava links. Will research the topic all over again before purchasing more next time.
I've been into Kava Kava for 10 years. And doing it wrong most of the time. Usually with some sort of micronized kava. Oh, If I drink too much Kava, I do O.D. with the dry scaly feeling. For whatever reason, orange juice seem to upset my stomach more, after drinking the kava. Kept trying that one out for some reason. Really cold milk has helped me. And I would not bother with any Kava that comes in Pill form.

What has worked well for me. Sometimes I would chew gum ahead of time to build up stomach acids before drinking some grog. Chewing gum after drinking some grog seems to help re-activate the Kava effects with me or at least help with the earthiness anyway. Have also tried it with things like milk and other things to make it easier to drink down. Even acquired coconut shells for some ceremonial function.
Lately, I have been using a retired french press to deal with the straining of the kava beverage from the root.

With more links, I will re-educate myself again and perhaps talk to the gentleman who runs the Kava Bar in my town.

Here are a couple of more videos about kava quality.


Dr. Vincent Lebot recommends against drinking tuday kava


Dr. Vincent Lebot: Scientific evidence does not support claims of kava toxicity.

@ Herbmeister, it looks like he's wearing a prison shirt. Had to say it.

I will add that scullcap does provide strong anxiolytic effect when ingested orally in capsules (Wish i could remember how many, but it was strong enough for me to put it on the shelf next to my kratom).

From my experiance (Quite a bit of it from back in the combustion days), here's the herb's I've tried orally and or vaped/combusted before i vaped.

DOSAGE VARIES PERSON TO PERSON. I am NOT recommending that anyone try vaping any of these in any shape or form and take no liability. But..


-Kratom: Dont dirty your vape with even the finest kratom resins or extracts. It taste like ass, and if you use plain or powdered leaf as I do, you will know just how much "A dosage" is. Normal leaf (For me) takes about 5-10g depending on the quality. 5g of good leaf should take away any pain I have, while 10g of good leaf should make me feel WAY too sedated to leave bed and also provide pain relief. Take in mind, my old supplier before he passed, had the best stuff around and I cannot find anything up to par. No, it was not RC laced as I saw multiple lab tests from reputable labs.

Nothing will beat his kratom, and may he rest in peace

My last batch of kratom extract (2x) was dehydrated at about 220-240F, and I believe it may have even lost potency.

Great in tea form, but again, taste like ass. I've found the best tasting, simplest way to make kratom tea is to mix it with a Chai tea blend (Loose leaf!!) and a spoonfull or two of honey, depending on how concentrated your tea is. I use about 1.5tsp of chai blend for my 6g kratom teas+1tsp of honey.

As someone who once used capsules exclusively, I can tell you stomaching the taste of Kratom in a tea MIXED with some other ingredients to mask it is better than capsules. There, I said it. I'd rather choke down 12oz of kratom tea than eat 20 size "00" caps.

I'm very pasionate about Kratom, i must admit- but please treat that plant with respect, as the last friend of mine i recommended the plant to almost got addicted to it. He had never experienced real opiate withdraws and it scared him half to death (Keep in mind, he was hitting kratom bars for multiple months, without breaks, only ordered double/triples, and DID NOT heed my warnings!). As someone who knows the throws of real opiate WD I told him don't go back to kratom if you cannot control your intake, whilst I smugly asked him "So you couldn't sleep for a week or two, had a little RLS, cravings, and maybe some nausea/diarrhea?" The worst he had was cravings for a week and insomnia for maybe two weeks, IME.

3 days on, 3 days off, or weekend only kind of thing for me. Great plant for when I'm low/cannot afford to see a doctor and am in pain.

-Kava: I once evaporated down a pure alcohol tincture, and tried a small dot over a a bed of herbs back when I was into that combustion bullshit. It works. Numbs the tongue, provides the kava-esq feeling, and was indeed not a placebo. Combusting it tasted like burnt rubber, drinking the tea (I mean REAL concentrated, non flavored pure kava root tea) is rough. I'd be tempted to try it on an old nail, but the fact that it numbs your mouth/tongue and even taste like burning rubber makes me wonder what that could do to your lungs. Not recommended for vaping IMO.

Great in tea!!!! I'm more of a kratom guy, but all i can add on this front is that you should NOT boil the tea- use water under boiling temperature!!

Catnip: Again, when I was into combustion, it worked. About .6 or .8 rolled gave me and my friends a very, very, very mellow buzz that lasted for a few hours at most. We agreed it wasn't placebo and not to do it agian. Good addition to a kratom tea, I'd say vaping it could be worth a shot, or at least including it in a mix.

I'd give it a go in my vape, but only if it was part of a mix. Its like an earthy mint if i recal. Good addition to Kratom teas.

Chamomile: Great herb for just relaxing, I have yet to try vaping this though. I normally just toss a bag into my other teas, but i may order some for vaping.


Now to find a supplier so i can start vaping some other herbs! I'm tempted to try a mix of catnip, chamomile, lavender, and MAYBE spray it with some kava extract. I'd be willing to use it on my old VG once my new one arrives.


Sorry im limited to these few, but i hoped I helped some people. I also leave my kratom-drentched comment with this: Has anyone else noticed how a lot of the herbs on the list tend to be really, really dry? I'd imagine more flavor from fresh herbs and a better vape.

TheSkipper said:

Can anyone recommend a herb that produces thick clouds when vaped? I have an EVO and just want something that has thick clouds; not looking for effects. Also preferably something that tastes good. I have looked into hops, mint, and peppermint but have yet to try or find a good source to buy them from.

Thanks in Advance!

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I don't think there is (please correct me) if you think about it most cannabis is 20%~ thc and these other plants, let's take hops for example, has a similar 'resin' Luplin or something, but only carries 1%. I never got round to trying to get hops extract but I'm gonna guess it tastes rank (who knows though). Certainly most of the plants mentioned in this thread haven't produced clouds ime.

In fact I think I've even asked that question in this thread before. Dejavu or something?

davesmith said:

I don't think there is (please correct me) if you think about it most cannabis is 20%~ thc and these other plants, let's take hops for example, has a similar 'resin' Luplin or something, but only carries 1%. I never got round to trying to get hops extract but I'm gonna guess it tastes rank (who knows though). Certainly most of the plants mentioned in this thread haven't produced clouds ime.

In fact I think I've even asked that question in this thread before. Dejavu or something?

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The herbs you might already have might produce thick clouds under the right conditions. Some clouds are just as much formed from the air moisture as well as from the extraction. There are entire lengthy threads on this discussion on what is in a vapor cloud, what makes a thick cloud etc. So I wouldn't necessarily start my search looking for the ideal herb that will make the most impressive clouds. It could all be in the method and how dry the herbs are to begin with.
I can achieve a normal cloud with mint or whatever I'm trying out, If I preheat my desktop and allow the herbs sufficient time to heat the bowl or chamber.
But I know what you asking. I don't know of any sure-fire cumulus cloud producing herb. But the density of said herb might be a start in that direction.
Hope this helps.

Still trying to look into the kava topic and found an article about Tudei Kava, from Kona Kava Farm. Still trying to find the answers to that subject.

CuckFumbustion said:

The herbs you might already have might produce thick clouds under the right conditions. Some clouds are just as much formed from the air moisture as well as from the extraction. There are entire lengthy threads on this discussion on what is in a vapor cloud, what makes a thick cloud etc. So I wouldn't necessarily start my search looking for the ideal herb that will make the most impressive clouds. It could all be in the method and how dry the herbs are to begin with.
I can achieve a normal cloud with mint or whatever I'm trying out, If I preheat my desktop and allow the herbs sufficient time to heat the bowl or chamber.
But I know what you asking. I don't know of any sure-fire cumulus cloud producing herb. But the density of said herb might be a start in that direction.
Hope this helps.

Still trying to look into the kava topic and found an article about Tudei Kava, from Kona Kava Farm. Still trying to find the answers to that subject.

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If Im not mistaken the folks who operate Kona Kava Farms are career scam artists within the ethnobotanical industry. Their images are ripped from the internet and their supposed kava farm does not exist. The stuff they sell is full of tudei kava which is bad stuff to be consuming.

DisgruntledSmoker said:

If Im not mistaken the folks who operate Kona Kava Farms are career scam artists within the ethnobotanical industry. Their images are ripped from the internet and their supposed kava farm does not exist. The stuff they sell is full of tudei kava which is bad stuff to be consuming.

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That is really unfortunate. They have been giving me great service for their product. I really need to re-examine all my sources and understand what tudei kava is about. Mentioned tudei kava it to someone else and they commented that "It sounds like the GMO of Kava."
I got some Wakacon Kava Fijian Waka recently. Was hoping it isn't tudei either. Is there any reputable types, brands or sources that anyone can recommend? Preferably at a reasonable price? Is anybody off Ebay reputable? Next batch will be tudei free.

CuckFumbustion said:

That is really unfortunate. They have been giving me great service for their product. I really need to re-examine all my sources and understand what tudei kava is about. Mentioned tudei kava it to someone else and they commented that "It sounds like the GMO of Kava."
I got some Wakacon Kava Fijian Waka recently. Was hoping it isn't tudei either. Is there any reputable types, brands or sources that anyone can recommend? Preferably at a reasonable price? Is anybody off Ebay reputable? Next batch will be tudei free.
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Do an internet search for 'kavakava forum' and Im fairly certain only one will pop up. All of the suppliers listed are top shelf. Kava kava is a big deal in Polynesian culture. You can even find legitimate kavakava 'wax'. Super active orally and potent. I would stick with micronized for teas. Be careful because it can most certainly be addictive like most anything else. I would suggest doing some research into the plant in which there are as many cultivars as marijuana.

Tudei is cheater kava and bad karma will come to those who pass it off as the real deal. The Shamans have already spoken to that. It is the difference between getting moldy mexican brick weed for half your life then all of a sudden discovering cup winning cannabis. One gives you a headache and the other gives you bliss. You just don't know until you know. You know?

Soo much information in this thread. Thank you so much for sharing everyone!

Here is a very long list of vaping temperatures for all sorts of substituted. Some stuff might be in there double. Hope this helps someone!

LOW TEMPERATURE: up to (150C) 302F
Clove: (125C to 150C) 257F to 302F
Dandelion: (125C to 150C) 257F to 302F
Lavender: (100C to 125C) 212F to 257F
Meadowsweet: (100C to 150C) 212F to 302F
Passionflower: (100C to 150C) 212F to 302F
Peppermint: (100C to 150C) 212F to 302F
Sage: (125C to 150C) 257F to 302F
Saint Johns Wort: (100C to 150C) 212F to 302F
Thyme: (100C to 150C) 212F to 302F
Tobacco: (125C to 150C) 257F to 302F



MEDIUM TEMPERATURE: up to (175C) 347F
Cats Claw: (150C to 175C) 302F to 347F
Damiana: (150C to 175C) 302F to 347F
Fennel: (150C to 175C) 302F to 347F
Coffee: (150C to 175C) 302F to 347F
Ginkgo: (125C to 175C) 257F to 347F
Hawthorn: (125C to 175C) 257F to 347F
Saw Palmetto: (125C to 175C) 257F to 347F



HIGH TEMPERATURE: up to (200C) 392F
Cannabis/Marijuana: (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F
Aloe Vera: (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F
Evening Primrose: (150C to 200C) 302F to 392F
Garlic: (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F
Ginger (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F
Ginseng: (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F
Licorice: (175C to 200C) 347F to 392F



Low Temperature: up to 150C (302F)

• Angelica: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Black Horehound: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
  
  
• Blue Lotus: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
  
  
• Chamomile: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
  
  
• Clove: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
  
  
• Corn Silk: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
  
  
• Dandelion: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
  
  
• Goldenrod: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Gotu Kola: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Horsetail: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Hyssop: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Lavender: 100C to 125C (212F to 257F)
  
  
• Meadowsweet: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Motherwort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Passionflower: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Peppermint: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Purslane: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Rue: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Sage: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
  
  
• Saint John’s Wort: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Thyme: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Tobacco: 125C to 150C (257F to 302F)
  
  
• Wormwood: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Yarrow: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  
  
• Yerba Mate: 100C to 150C (212F to 302F)
  

Medium Temperature: up to 175C (347F)

• Anise: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Caraway: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Cat’s Claw: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Coffee: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Comfrey: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Damiana: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Ephedra: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Fennel: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Feverfew: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Hawthorn: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Ginkgo: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Guarana: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Lion’s Tail: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Milk Thistle: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Prickly Poppy: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  
  
• Red Poppy: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Saw Palmetto: 125C to 175C (257F to 347F)
  
  
• Sweet Flag: 150C to 175C (302F to 347F)
  

High Temperature: up to 200C (392F)

Temps over 200C are not recommended

• Aloe Vera: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Amanita Muscaria: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Ayahuasca Vine: 185C to 200C (365F to 392F)
  
  
• Barberry: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Burdock: 150C to 200C (302F to 392F)
  
  
• Couch Grass: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Evening Primrose: 150C to 200C (302F to 392F)
  
  
• Fringe Tree: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Garlic: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Ginger 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Ginseng: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Goldenseal: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Hops: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Kava Kava: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Kola Nut: 185C to 200C (365F to 392F)
  
  
• Kratom: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Licorice: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Maca Root: 150C to 200C (302F to 392F)
  
  
• Marshmallow: 150C to 200C (302F to 392F)
  
  
• Morning Glory: 185C to 200C (365F to 392F)
  
  
• Sida Cordifolia: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Salvia Divinorum: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Sinichuichi (Mayan Sun Opener): 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Turmeric: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Valerian: 185C to 200C (365F to 392F)
  
  
• Wild Yam: 175C to 200C (347F to 392F)
  
  
• Yohimbe: 185C to 200C (365F to 392F)
  

My flowermate 1.0 is back to vaping flowers. Came up with a phoney 18mm setup. Actually clouds my peppermint.
Is Hibiscus flowers considered vapable? Just tried thatin a Tazo tea.
And what flower is included with the EQ?

Iv searched this with no luck, had anyone vaped kaffir lime leaves?????

kellya86 said:

kaffir lime leaves

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No luck, can you use normally in a tea? If you can find if any citrus leaves of any kind are vapable, that might get you in the ballpark.
If you know more about the oils that are contained and would be released if hated or vaped.
Lemongrass is amazing in a vaporizer and might provide a similar intensity you are looking for. Perhaps MJ friendly? Just hard to grind proper being a shoot of grass.

Yeah Iv been on the hunt for lemon grass, I'm struggling to find it in uk shops...

kellya86 said:

Yeah Iv been on the hunt for lemon grass, I'm struggling to find it in uk shops...

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Really? I have no trouble. Do you have a Neal's Yard in your area?

My local NY has a huge selection of various herbs and botanicals - all organic & available by weight at a very reasonable price.

I regularly stop in there to see what they have on offer & pick up something new. Their organic lavender is lovely. Tastes fragrant & creamy.

And they always stock lemon grass as well as tons of others.


Good luck in your hunt bud!


Peace.

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Yeah Iv been on the hunt for lemon grass, I'm struggling to find it in uk shops...

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I have a health food store and an local herbal tea store that I go to. Maybe some sort of asian market where you are at?

The herbal store even has locally grown herbs! Even had this apple mint blend that was as amazing flavor as the lemongrass.

I'm seeing a few dried herbs at Neal's Yard that I'm entirely unfamiliar with. They must be the one's who supply Hogwart's apothecary.
But if some of it was sourced from a region not from my side of the pond. That could be make for some interesting new things to try out. Even the herbs that I'm already familiar with will be from a different enough of a climate to make it worthwhile./?
But God it is amazing that I live in a region unique enough to have apple mint blend dried locally as a tea. And Oh, It is as sweet as a minty as it sounds. Then I go home and have an EQ to vaporize it. You might find some local flavor to vape bliss like I have. Your regional equivalent of my apple mint. Maybe I'll pick harvest some catnip this spring.
I've been vaping and drinking commercial teas like Tazo's and then reading the box and go 'hunting' for the main ingredients. Found 3/4's of Tazo's Passion tea to be vapable. for instance. Is citrus skins vapable? BTW?

See this is the anoying thing about talking to alot of Americans, while living In England, the things that are readily available to you, are not to us..

Simple things that you can buy from many shops, are a mission to find in uk...

Iso 99.9 for instance,
Or parchment paper (quilon free),
Or coconut oil, (recently seeing it more)
Organic unbleached cotton,
And much more stuff including lemon grass, is not in most shops...

Also uk head shops are shite, full of cheap Chinese shit... and vaping Is completely uncatered for...

And I happen to live in a hipster college town that was organic long before it was fashionable. Back when it was 'granola' in the 70's. Plus I'm in an area surrounded by local organic farms. We have about 5 head shops One has the knock off glass and the cheap Chinese stuff that I am nostalgic about. The others have high end locally blown glass and a few shelves of vaporizers and extras. I kind of know as an inside business practice, that they all buy in bulk together and split the lot among themselves. There isn't enough business to keep any one major item in stock at any shop for very long. Still above the curve then the rest of my state. Mostly dabs and dab related stuff is the trend here with the students. Despite all these things, Very few people know about vaporizing dry herbs. They think the PAX symbol is the Walmart logo.

Coconut oil is everywhere here, and I can even be fussy as to type. Some of the fibers and cottons can be bought off the shelf. ISO 95% is everywhere.

I still go on my quests for certain things and there is an art to finding the more obscure. Plus if you know how certain things get sourced or where they are generally made and use that as a starting point, as opposed to whom might be willing to sell it, you might have better luck.

Still have been able to help UK and AUS find things and subsequently find out things for myself. Like Neal's Yard. That does sound like a UK type name for an organic shop.
Right Neal? Thought it was a nautical site at first glance. So do you have local organic shops of any kind in the UK? Local Markets that might sell herbs? Chinese food stores?
This might help give me a picture as to where you are doing your scouring.

kellya86 said:

See this is the anoying thing about talking to alot of Americans, while living In England, the things that are readily available to you, are not to us..

Simple things that you can buy from many shops, are a mission to find in uk...

Iso 99.9 for instance,
Or parchment paper (quilon free),
Or coconut oil, (recently seeing it more)
Organic unbleached cotton,
And much more stuff including lemon grass, is not in most shops...

Also uk head shops are shite, full of cheap Chinese shit... and vaping Is completely uncatered for...

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Hey kel, Without going too o.t I would just like to say that while I can understand where you are coming from, my experience is not quite the same. And if I really struggle, there is always the interwebs.

Neals Yard has got 52 stores across the UK and I'm pleased that I have one nearby - and as I said, their herb selection is wicked - certainly lemon grass there. Coconut oil is definitely everywhere now too, even in big supermarkets. And there are Holland & Barrett stores all over the place now too, which is a big health food chain that is good for supplies.

We also have several independent organic health & wholefood retailers around here too, as well as the regular market & the various pop-ups.

And there are also quite a lot of Asian food stores & Chinese herbalists.

My favourite LHS does sell some cheap crap for the masses but it also has some quality too, loads of dab equipment including enails, and not to mention a cabinet full of vapes inc. Pax 2, Verdamper, all S&B vapes, Vapman, MFLB, all Arizer vapes . . . the list goes on, but you get the picture. And it's all reasonably priced so I'm generally more than happy to buy local. Apart from when I can't.

Anyway, definitely look up Neals Yard dude, there are loads in London if you ever go that way.

Again, I wish you good luck with your hunt, bud (which I actually find kinda comical because I would usually wish people good luck with the bud hunt )


MuchLoveYouGuys!

Ha fair enough, thanks for the advice,

Unfortunately no neils yard near me, I'm not driving for an hour to get something that's not even bud..

I have a small Holland and Barrett near me but that is so small they have nothing...

I live in a little traditional town, I think I'm gonna have to venture out to find these things...don't have many foreign shops, or people near me...

Can't believe how well stocked your head shop is, the only 2 vapes mine has is a snoop dog g pen(mugging new vapists), and the iolite.
Oh and the Chinese dome vapes...

Thanks again for your advice....I know the web is an option..

Perhaps your local H&B can special order? Or Neal's can deliver? Do you have Co-ops of any kind in the UK or where you both are at? I admit sometimes it is the thrill of the hunt that makes it fun. These herbs can be inexpensive, if they don't have a fancy box label on them. It might be worth while to place variety pack of bulk teas and try this and that. Worst case you can try drinking it, right? Lemongrass, Lemon Balm, Chamomile, Hibiscus flowers and various mints got me through a few dry spells. Plus they tend to enhance whatever herbs you prefer elsewhere. I have vaped some Tazo's teas. The fancy ones in the tin use unground flowers.

I managed to get some fresh lemon grass, 2 shoots..

Now what, I assume they need drying, how do I make them vapeable????

Any help would be greatly appreciated, it smells amazing....

Wow fresh shoots. I've been getting mine dried. So I'll have to speculate on the drying part. You will get more of the essential oils than me if you are successful with drying stage. When I buy mine, It usually comes cut and has less green strips, like in the second picture. I would have to cut mine dried which is a PITA if you don't have knife skills or you can use an herb grinder. But it will leave hairbrush thin strips of grass that need to be brushed out.

Unlike me, You have the option to cut it into even thinner strips. But you can perhaps just hand cut it into finer strips before the last bit of drying. when it is the easiest to work with. Then allow it to air dry it further. It will get brittle like mine at some point somehow. Then maybe save a small amount of that for some Tom Kha soup?

@kellya86 Fortunately, I can translate these other things to you directly. When I use dried teas, I go old school with my traditional Cyclone and whip because it uses lower temps and it is a more casual extraction. Keeps the other glass reclaim friendly. No pressure to get max performance like the EQ thread. The EQ can do the lower temp ranges. So once it is dried, and vaped let me know how it went. I have thought about using the EQ for essential oil extraction.


Found this video. I would ship the oven step in the video entirely myself and slow cure or just preheat the oven. Turn it off and place the pan in the oven. If you have drying racks, even better for even drying. I'm sure there is even more effective drying methods (with less steps) out there too.

Thanks for the information, I'm gonna treat it like curing my flowers.

A nice controlled dry, to stop too much cell rupture..I assuming a force dry would cause this and result in loss of flavour....as It would with flowers...

Oh well doesn't look like I'll be vaping lemon grass today, I'll see how it looks tomorrow...

Edit :- fuck it, I bought a spare eq so I could throw caution to the wind, and do this stuff, without fear....
Im gonna vape some fresh and see what happens... will report back..