Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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Breathemetal
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I need the ac bubbler asap
Great news everyone when you wake up.
Looks like many new things are coming together.
1. Dual 18650 Battery circuit board design should be done in 2 weeks.
Get ready to have the ultimate vaporizer.
Kiss Gen 3 confirmed
1701 confirmed
Hercules confirmed
Still in question Bender and Universe Herb cartridge.
Looks like many new things are coming together.
1. Dual 18650 Battery circuit board design should be done in 2 weeks.
Get ready to have the ultimate vaporizer.
Kiss Gen 3 confirmed
1701 confirmed
Hercules confirmed
Still in question Bender and Universe Herb cartridge.
Breathemetal
Well-Known Member
I love you
foothilla
Well-Known Member
This is also my problem with W9. The learning curve on their products doesn't have to be so drastic. The learning curve is because they fail to instruct the consumer on the best/common methods. On the new 8 oil vaporizers, they don't even tell you what batteries it will accept (in fact, they offer you no user information at all on the 8 oil vape). Or another example of basic information they fail to give you, if you buy a Persei, they make no recommendations on what ohm oil carts match well with 7.4v or with 3.7v,..etc., etc..
There is so much basic information that W9 could give users, but they don't give you anything. It's almost like they are too lazy to make detailed information available,....or else they want you to buy all kinds of garbage that you can't use (or items that you will damage in "trial and error" experimentation) - so that you spend more money on their products.
And I'm sorry, but a 1200+ page thread is hardly user friendly. Most of us with lives don't have time to read through hundreds of pages. I've never seen option filled devices that come with so little instruction. If anything destroys this company it will be the result of their lacking basic user friendliness.
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SamuraiSam
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@foothilla I am sorry you have such a negative impression when it comes to information about our products.
You are correct that on the 8 vaporizer we don't specify batteries. It's a mechanical mod, and it will transmit power from any batteries put inside it to the cartridge. It comes with two tubes and we do tell you the shorter tube is an 18350 tube on its product page: the larger tube can accept a wide variety of batteries, you can even thread the tubes together to accommodate an even wider variety of batteries.
We present the 8 as a mechanical mod for advanced vaporists only, and any advanced user should have a firm understanding of batteries, how batteries work in series, and what voltages different batteries/battery combinations will deliver.
Have you seen any of our instruction manuals? We used to include a voltage reference chart with the first two generations of Persei, which is still available here- it's the last link in the center column, Nichrome Cartridge Voltage Reference.
After this chart was made we began producing cartridges made of different wires, such as Grade 2 Titanium. The same resistance values do not apply to these cartridges so we labeled our Titanium wire carts as 3.7 or 7.4 to keep things as simple as possible.
We have absolutely no interest in forcing people to 'trial and error' with any of our products.
Truth be told we have put out quite a few products over the years of various generations, and there are generational small changes or factors that can make a difference; on an Omicron or Persei, simply the batteries used inside can make a large difference in "what will work". I have tried working up product compatibility matrix's and it's not very easy to understand for our new customers once you tack on a few asterisks.
So it's for this reason that I exist. I can answer questions about what works and help solve those compatibility problems with easy upgrade paths if any older products need to get brought into the modern age, since most of our vaporizers have limited lifetime warranties, we're here to work with customers not just sell to them.
If you have ever seen the phone number listed at the top of every page or the big blue "Contact Us" button on our front page:
I exist just a phone call away to answer any product compatibility questions and help guide you to the most appropriate products and make sure your setup will work. Please give me a call or open a support ticket so I can help! 818-849-6133
You are correct that on the 8 vaporizer we don't specify batteries. It's a mechanical mod, and it will transmit power from any batteries put inside it to the cartridge. It comes with two tubes and we do tell you the shorter tube is an 18350 tube on its product page: the larger tube can accept a wide variety of batteries, you can even thread the tubes together to accommodate an even wider variety of batteries.
We present the 8 as a mechanical mod for advanced vaporists only, and any advanced user should have a firm understanding of batteries, how batteries work in series, and what voltages different batteries/battery combinations will deliver.
Have you seen any of our instruction manuals? We used to include a voltage reference chart with the first two generations of Persei, which is still available here- it's the last link in the center column, Nichrome Cartridge Voltage Reference.
After this chart was made we began producing cartridges made of different wires, such as Grade 2 Titanium. The same resistance values do not apply to these cartridges so we labeled our Titanium wire carts as 3.7 or 7.4 to keep things as simple as possible.
We have absolutely no interest in forcing people to 'trial and error' with any of our products.
Truth be told we have put out quite a few products over the years of various generations, and there are generational small changes or factors that can make a difference; on an Omicron or Persei, simply the batteries used inside can make a large difference in "what will work". I have tried working up product compatibility matrix's and it's not very easy to understand for our new customers once you tack on a few asterisks.
So it's for this reason that I exist. I can answer questions about what works and help solve those compatibility problems with easy upgrade paths if any older products need to get brought into the modern age, since most of our vaporizers have limited lifetime warranties, we're here to work with customers not just sell to them.
If you have ever seen the phone number listed at the top of every page or the big blue "Contact Us" button on our front page:
I exist just a phone call away to answer any product compatibility questions and help guide you to the most appropriate products and make sure your setup will work. Please give me a call or open a support ticket so I can help! 818-849-6133
foothilla
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For starters, I am on my fourth O-Phos pen (which has a dying battery) and I was actively looking to step up to a Persei, or the new "8 vape". I am tired of my O-Phos batteries dying and would like something with replaceable batteries. Being that I have been using the O-Phos with 1.5 carts for the past 3 years I wouldn't consider myself new to your products. You can easily trace my orders and see that I have purchased 4 O-Phos pens from you in the past 3+ years. However, when researching the new attachments and the higher end vapes, I found your website to be utterly useless. 3.7 mode vs. 7.4 mode, attachment
compatibility, various attachment differences, battery compatibility,.....it was all so vague that I reluctantly started looking at non-W9 options. In fact, this thread is the only useful information I could find on the Persei and the Vape 8. But, the time investment needed to wade through 1200 pages is unreasonable.
One theme I keep seeing with the Persei and the 8 vape is for "experienced users only". Well, I have been using the O-Phos for 3+ years and I am of reasonable intelligence. So when am I "advanced" enough to take the next step? The reality is, anyone going from a simple, limited variable pen (like the O-Phos) is going to need instruction and guidance when upgrading to mods with variable capabilities. Instead I found the opposite when researching the products on your website. The details and instruction seem intentionally vague.
As far as contacting you, I actually did contact you, prior to leaving my first post here. Oddly, you have responded to me here, but you still have not responded to my email questions. Why not take all the time and investment you put into this message board, and fill your website with pertinent information?
I would love to step up to a Persei or a Vape 8 - but I have no confidence in my ability to optimally operate/maintain/accessorize either unit. What accessories are compatible? What accessories work best? What battery options do I have? What accessories do I need to utilize these battery options? What ohms match best with what voltage?
.......none of these relative questions are comprehensively answered on your website. It just doesn't make sense. Without being directly instructed by the manufacture, the only way to learn is "trial and error".
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SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
@foothilla I unfortunately don't have a way to corroborate a forum username with a customer's orders. I'd need an email address used to place the orders. You can PM me, or give me a phone call, and I promise to do my best and answer all your questions!
I really do want to help out and am sure that some of the information 'missing' for you would be helpful to others too. Help me help you, and we'll both benefit!
To start simply, Both the Persei and 8 can run in 3.7V mode with a single 18650, and 7.4V mode with two 18350's. They can both use the Core power supply to run different voltages.
All accessories are compatible. The Persei and 8 are both 601 mod threaded and can run every cartridge we make. Ohms or resistance of cartridge may not be applicable; many of our cartridges operate at both voltages.
How did you contact me before here? Did you open a ticket on our webpage, or call in? Our contact page doesn't list an email address; we provide the support ticket system for best service for all questions. If you have sent an email, where was it sent to? sam@w9tech.com is my address.
I really do want to help out and am sure that some of the information 'missing' for you would be helpful to others too. Help me help you, and we'll both benefit!
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foothilla
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So, do I need to buy a special attachment to accommodate the 18650? Or can the stock Persei/8Vape accommodate a single 18650? What are the advantages/disadvantages of running the different voltages? What type/brand of 18650 is recommended? What other types of batteries are compatible with the 8vape casing? What accessories work best with what voltages? What version of the Persei is it that is currently being sold? What attachments won't fit this version of the Persei? What cart is best with each respective voltage? What cart is best if you are running dual carts with a 3.7v? What carts work best if you are running dual carts with 7.4v?
....I could go on and on with the basic questions that aren't answered on the website. I shouldn't have to wade through 1200+ pages of stoner musings to find answers to these very basic questions.
StormyPinkness
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I agree with him in that it's a little hard to understand at first, but I don't think anyone does it really well on their site. Unless the vape store sells a bundle you usually need to figure stuff out Like how I'll have to figure out setting volts vs watts when the new unamed box comes out (I like something with Voltron in it). I'm used to just using 3.7v and 7.4v. W9 at least puts the pretty detailed instructions for the vape on the product page though.
I would have liked something like a tree chart. Though unless you have a good taxonomy for your products to do this automatically you'd need to make and maintain one for each page which would would be a pain.
I would have liked something like a tree chart. Though unless you have a good taxonomy for your products to do this automatically you'd need to make and maintain one for each page which would would be a pain.
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foothilla
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I contacted you through your website, hours before I left my first post here. I still haven't gotten a response, in regard to that contact. That is another problem, the response here on a message board is fast - but through your website the response time is lagging. Your website should be the ultimate source of information for your products, not a message board.
There are so many simple things that I couldn't find reasonable answers to. Take the Persei SS kit. It says "might not fit Persei V4". "Might" not? You aren't sure? And what is the current version of the Persei that you are selling? It might be the V4, but who would know, because it doesn't say "V" anything on the Persei page? Do I need this kit to run an 18650 in the current version of the Persei? Then it says it has an "upgraded bottom cap". But, it doesn't say what is different about it's form/function. How is it an upgrade?
I found the SS kit to be similar to every accessory that I looked at. The more I looked, the more answer-less questions popped up. With every accessory it got more and more confusing.
I am new here to this board (obviously), and don't see any option to PM you here, so I sent a short response to your email address. Please look up my previous orders, and see that I have been a loyal customer that has purchased 4 O-Phos pens from you in the past (along with dozens of 1.5 and 2.4 carts).
It doesn't need to be that way. And just because someone else blows it isn't an excuse to blow it yourself (i.e. "Ford sucks, so we are going to suck just as much over here at Chevy"). I have seen a lot of my questions answered in this thread, after tirelessly searching through hundreds of pages. If it can be clarified here, it can be clarified on their website. I, myself, could take information from this thread alone, and make their website a hundred times more comprehensive.
The bottom line is that there is no effort being put into their website. I have never encountered products in my life where the manufacturer website is so vague about the usage of their products/accessories.
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SamuraiSam
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The standard Persei (or 8) can accommodate a single 18650 or two 18350's stacked. You'd use the included battery adjustment tool to adjust for the different battery combinations, as shown on Page 3 of the Persei's Instruction Manual. No other accessories are necessary to run 3.7 or 7.4V with either of these battery setups, other than the vaporizer, cartridge, and the batteries you want to use.
Higher voltages provide more power. Some devices need this higher voltage to operate, like our Hammer rod (and Bender Herb Chamber) and the Hercules which comes with a 7.4V heating rod. Other devices can operate at both 3.7V and 7.4V like our KISS carts. In these cases, the lower voltage provides less power and less heat, and higher power means more heat. Each different accessory and/or cartridge would have it's own usage characteristics, so we can't make blanket statements regarding "all 3.7" or "all 7.4". For example, a Gen 3 KISS cart used at 7.4V should be pulsed with 1/2 second or shorter bursts; while a Hercules at 7.4V can have the power applied for 10 seconds at a time.
We suggest and sell only Andy Wong brand batteries. There are users that report using other batteries with success, and we aren't here to discount those reports. Our official stance is we recommend only AW. Particularly when it comes to 18350's, we have yet to try any better cells with the Hercules and AC at 7.4V than AW 18350s.
It can accommodate any battery or battery combination that fits inside. It has an internal diameter of 18mm. Some batteries that may fit: 2x CR123 (W9 Tech does not sell any cartridges that would use these batteries), 2x 18490/18500 (when the included shorty tube is combined onto the standard tube) 2x 18650 (by combining another tube) etc.
Some accessories only work at certain voltages, like the KISS Globe lineup that works only at 3.7V. Some accessories work with a multitude, and we offer them in different varieties for different people's preferences. One person's "best" might not be the same as another's. We have found that most people prefer the Hercules at 7.4V and that's why it comes packaged with a 7.4V rod, but some people's best rod is the Black rod for use at 3.7V.
Many people like KISS carts at 3.7V since they're easy to use and hard to make taste anything other than great. Other people's best power is 7.4V because they like pulsing power in short bursts to achieve quick, thick hits, and have good technique to keep flavor awesome; or don't mind occasionally going a little hot.
I'd be happy to help out with specifics here if you let me know which item/items you're looking at. We have a large variety of cartridges/attachments available, if you let me know what you're trying to accomplish and what your priorities are when it comes to vaporizing I'll be able to help you better than listing 20 different combinations.
Version 3 is what is for sale at w9tech.com
Every attachment we have ever made in 601 mod threading will fit this vaporizer. The only known issue we have is some of the dual coil Alpha Centauri coils and Gen 3 KISS carts have issue at 7.4V due to voltage drop sensitivities. We are manufacturing a new top to fix this issue.
Again, sorry I can't answer this question as "best" is subjective.
2.4Ω EO carts.
5.0Ω EO carts.
The only Persei that ever came with a dual cartridge top was the Version 1 Persei, and the only cartridge that you can use on the dual-cart top are our original EO carts. All cartridges introduced since then will not fit side by side due to space constraints.
That's correct. It might not, and we aren't sure. There's a variance in SS kits' fitment, and we cannot guarantee they fit V4 tops. We don't suggest people with V4 tops purchase SS kits, and caution current owners of SS kits of using their V4 top on them. We don't have a Version 4 Persei listed on our website, as it's only something that comes up in the course of me helping with a repair.
Please understand that simply asking me these questions will not only help you get them answered but help the next round of people 'after you' that need answers. I have been working on a database of product information for the last few months based off frequently asked questions on phone calls and support tickets, and I am totally in agreement that more information should be available on the website.
All you have to do to get this fixed is contact me, ask questions, and I'll help out. Allow me to help you and I promise I can reduce your frustrations.
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StormyPinkness
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That would be awesome to get on the web sometime. I keep thinking I'm going to start doing stuff on vaporpedia but I'm just so damn lazy. Still trying to get myself to write some more reviews to get a higher discount on the w9 site.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
As promised, a function video for the Nibbler AC 
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sethhobrin
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Wow. That is cool. As it is now i tried and couldn't use the AC dual coil with 7.4v. it hurts my throat too much.As promised, a function video for the Nibbler AC
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
In the video first I'm hitting the 7.4V 1701 ceramic donut. The second part, the close-up is with the dual-wick Quartz coil from Oilvaporizer at 4.2V (fresh single AW 18650) It seems to be a little 'hotter' than the double ceramic wicked coils, quicker heat up since it's not heating up oils inside the ceramic perhaps.
@sethhobrin my suggestion would be to try shorter pulses, tapping the button after the first 1/2 second press works for the AC coils at 7.4V for me.
@sethhobrin my suggestion would be to try shorter pulses, tapping the button after the first 1/2 second press works for the AC coils at 7.4V for me.
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StormyPinkness
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Trick or treat?
I come back to this thread often because I am SO interested in these. But after my friend and I went head to head with his brand new Omicron (or maybe the Omicron lite?) + 3.7 Kiss cart against my cheap little Vapco Dab Tornado . We both agreed that although the W9 tech stuff was MUCH better made, that the Dab Tornado setup hit better. Ever since then I have been reluctant to take the plunge for such an investment. Maybe it's time to give it another shot. Would he have had better luck with a Persei instead on the omicron power supply?
I keep trying to find different portable devices that aren't pens. Currently I have been using the Henail for travel and I really like it but that doesn't help me at concerts. I still want the best pen available and everyone seems to think this is it so I figure I'm missing the boat. Using this currently instead of a pen
https://www.ioffer.com/i/607245152
Can you guys suggest a great pen setup for a first time W9 user? Would you go Persei plus kiss, Persei plus herc or variable watt mod with the Alpha ceramic donut? Or something different all together. Due to price I like the Kiss but I want better hits than my buddy's omicron setup.
I keep trying to find different portable devices that aren't pens. Currently I have been using the Henail for travel and I really like it but that doesn't help me at concerts. I still want the best pen available and everyone seems to think this is it so I figure I'm missing the boat. Using this currently instead of a pen
https://www.ioffer.com/i/607245152
Can you guys suggest a great pen setup for a first time W9 user? Would you go Persei plus kiss, Persei plus herc or variable watt mod with the Alpha ceramic donut? Or something different all together. Due to price I like the Kiss but I want better hits than my buddy's omicron setup.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
@mrbonsai420 could you tell me what was in your opinion better about the hit from the Dab tornado vs the Omicron? Did you enjoy the faster warm up of the Tornado or think the flavor of the hit was better?
masaki
Well-Known Member
As promised, a function video for the Nibbler AC
Where's the function.. does it only have 1 diffy hole?
hoosierdaddy
New Member
still pretty new with my persei. only had it about three weeks. im having trouble knowing when my cart is empty. does anyone know how much an unused 5.0 cart weighs? im using the ones it came with. any tips on how to tell if its empty? thanks!
I usually pulse my Tornado with a VV battery so I have my tech down pretty well on that to get taste and good clouds. With the Kiss we were holding down for full cycles and not getting big clouds at all. Taste was there but the power was lacking A LOT. I only tried his on 2 occasions, both on fresh charges and wasn't satisfied. He put it up and hasn't used it in a few months himself. I need to go over there an tinker with it. I was going to put my VV battery on his 3.7 Kiss cart to see if it was a power issue from his omicron but I didn't have a 510/ego adapter for it.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
@masaki Yes it has a single hole perc like the Nibbler G and Nibbler XL, it works well from 0-60 degrees tilt
@hoosierdaddy These carts don't weigh identically, the best way to tell if its empty is measure it before filling, and during use don't let it get more then .2 above the original fill weight. Essential Oil cartridges are disposable in nature but if you don't let them run dry and add about .25-.5 into them you can get a little longer life.
@mrbonsai420 please let me know which vaporizer he is using, Omicron Lite or Omicron, in fact if you want to give me a call when you are over there I would be happy to give you some live phone support.
If it's an Omicron please check the batteries. I occasionally get phone calls from customers with older Omicron trying to use them with 3+ year old batteries and all that's needed to restore power is a new battery. Feel free to contact me directly so I can help with your Omicron one-on-one and keep the Persei thread pertinent
@hoosierdaddy These carts don't weigh identically, the best way to tell if its empty is measure it before filling, and during use don't let it get more then .2 above the original fill weight. Essential Oil cartridges are disposable in nature but if you don't let them run dry and add about .25-.5 into them you can get a little longer life.
@mrbonsai420 please let me know which vaporizer he is using, Omicron Lite or Omicron, in fact if you want to give me a call when you are over there I would be happy to give you some live phone support.
If it's an Omicron please check the batteries. I occasionally get phone calls from customers with older Omicron trying to use them with 3+ year old batteries and all that's needed to restore power is a new battery. Feel free to contact me directly so I can help with your Omicron one-on-one and keep the Persei thread pertinent