Wait, so I don't actually need a new hydratube? Just new nails?
Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
Bummer. Despite ordering my unit super early in the morning on Friday and receiving a tracking number later that day, it appears my unit only just shipped this afternoon! Looks like my EVO won't be arriving until Weds. The anticipation is killing me! Hope you all enjoy an extra toke for me tomorrow, LOL.
I'll enjoy a toke for you today, and tomorrow! Any excuse to use this thing.
Regarding the VapeXNails.....you don't actually need a new hydratube, just to use your current (and all future) nails. I had already been running some mileage on my tube, and I didn't want to deal with cleaning/shipping so I asked to send me one of their original VXNs @New_buddy , and they said they would if they could find any in shop.
Unfortunately, they cannot. So they were courteous enough to send me a quartz one and they said it should fit properly. I was pretty adamant about not wanting a different tube, and by all account you should just exchange your tubes so the new glass and the quartz will fit, but dabbing is something I don't do that often and I can always just grab quartz ones that will fit apparently.
I love using it at 3. Basically like dabbing weed
virtualpurple
Well-Known Member
Damn, I want a tube, but I'm unsure which would suit me best, hah.
justcametomind
Well-Known Member
You vape weed at max temp? If I use just 1:00 I get a burnt flavorI'll enjoy a toke for you today, and tomorrow! Any excuse to use this thing.
Regarding the VapeXNails.....you don't actually need a new hydratube, just to use your current (and all future) nails. I had already been running some mileage on my tube, and I didn't want to deal with cleaning/shipping so I asked to send me one of their original VXNs @New_buddy , and they said they would if they could find any in shop.
Unfortunately, they cannot. So they were courteous enough to send me a quartz one and they said it should fit properly. I was pretty adamant about not wanting a different tube, and by all account you should just exchange your tubes so the new glass and the quartz will fit, but dabbing is something I don't do that often and I can always just grab quartz ones that will fit apparently.
I love using it at 3. Basically like dabbing weed
I've accidentally used mine at 3 with a standard ELB.
I didn't think it was too bad, but the AVB was pretty dark in places.
What bugs me a little with this EVO is the uneven extraction/need to stir the ELB's.
I think I've just been spoiled by my Mighty which spits out very uniformly toasted herb without needing any stirring at all.
I can often open an ELB after a hit and see that the jet of hot air has left a central circular column of toasted herb.. while all around, the outer edges are still slightly green.
I didn't think it was too bad, but the AVB was pretty dark in places.
What bugs me a little with this EVO is the uneven extraction/need to stir the ELB's.
I think I've just been spoiled by my Mighty which spits out very uniformly toasted herb without needing any stirring at all.
I can often open an ELB after a hit and see that the jet of hot air has left a central circular column of toasted herb.. while all around, the outer edges are still slightly green.
Mangos
Well-Known Member
I have noticed the same thing regarding the slight uneven extraction; only noticed that on bigger loads from 0.1 g's up , normally I don't put more then 0.06g's and I don't need to stir and have a very even extraction. I usually just tap the side of the ELB after each use- I find that the herb flies up to the top of the chamber with smaller loads.
KimDracula
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I no longer feel the need to stir the ELB mid-use. I recommend trying a slightly finer grind (try your grinder on its side for a few turns back and forth) and make sure you don't pack the cannabis in or load too much. I've settled on filling the ELB about half full before I cap it. The first thing I thought was that perhaps a bit too much in the ELB plus a strong draw didn't allow the herb to move much. I could very well be wrong, so don't take that as criticism.
When I first started I would take it out and flick it a bit with my finger. I experimented with these things and found I got a completely uniform extraction with a very fine grind (upside-down grinder) finishing off at 3:00 with a small, poor-tasting hit. While this got the AVB to a very consistent color throughout, I found that all I was really gaining was that last hit at 3:00 or slightly past (I always work up from noon) and the satisfaction of feeling like I extracted everything. So since then I have gone with a slightly less-fine grind and have nixed the stirring. The AVB is now somewhat mottled: mostly very dark brown with some lighter spots, but I'm getting the same quantity of quality vapor, minus that last gross hit. I've never come close to combusting, btw. I think they've got the calibration down with the EVO.
My recommendations are to try a slightly finer grind and make sure the herb is loose enough to move inside the ELB. Try to change a few things up if you can. I don't think you should really have that much of a problem getting a pretty uniform extraction. Hope that helps.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
@justcametomind maybe you are drawing too slow. I've yet to get "burnt" flavor except at the end of my bowls and even then, some of my herb is just VERY vaped, never burnt.
I rip it at 3, hard, without worrying about milking the HT because I know I will because of the high heat. Works pretty well, I grind my weed pretty finely as well. Pack about halfway. Get 3-4 huge hits.
Yesterday I steeped my temps down a bit...was nice but I still prefer the higher temps. A happy medium for me was like 2:30-2:45
I rip it at 3, hard, without worrying about milking the HT because I know I will because of the high heat. Works pretty well, I grind my weed pretty finely as well. Pack about halfway. Get 3-4 huge hits.
Yesterday I steeped my temps down a bit...was nice but I still prefer the higher temps. A happy medium for me was like 2:30-2:45
Hi @KimDracula 
Thanks for taking the time to reply
My grind is already quite fine as the flowers I'm using up at the moment are pretty dry.. Not powder, but certainly not chunky either.
I also think the ELBs are too long.
I put a small amount in the bottom (1/4 full maybe) but as soon as I start to draw, the flower is just pulled up in the ELB, makes contact with the lid and just sits there, clumped together.
I've taken to either removing and rotating/tapping the ELB between hits or just removing the lid and stirring.. I just wish I didn't have to as I don't need to with the Mighty which, despite being a lower powered portable, (for me at least) has no learning curve, & seems to provide quicker and more even extraction.
When I get home from work, I've had a bowl in the Mighty before the EVO has even reached temp, never mind heatsoaking
I hoped the EVO would replace the Mighty as my every day vape.. and hate to say it (especially considering the price I paid).. but I occasionally find myself loading up the Mighty instead lol
Thanks for taking the time to reply
My grind is already quite fine as the flowers I'm using up at the moment are pretty dry.. Not powder, but certainly not chunky either.
I also think the ELBs are too long.
I put a small amount in the bottom (1/4 full maybe) but as soon as I start to draw, the flower is just pulled up in the ELB, makes contact with the lid and just sits there, clumped together.
I've taken to either removing and rotating/tapping the ELB between hits or just removing the lid and stirring.. I just wish I didn't have to as I don't need to with the Mighty which, despite being a lower powered portable, (for me at least) has no learning curve, & seems to provide quicker and more even extraction.
When I get home from work, I've had a bowl in the Mighty before the EVO has even reached temp, never mind heatsoaking
I hoped the EVO would replace the Mighty as my every day vape.. and hate to say it (especially considering the price I paid).. but I occasionally find myself loading up the Mighty instead lol
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Isn't the mighty a conduction vape? All the herb cooked in a chamber at once, the uniformity is not a sign of an even extraction, but even cooking. You can't know how much of that cooked herb you got to vape. Convection abv gives you a better idea of what you extracted.
KimDracula
Well-Known Member
I'm kinda stumped on this one. It sounded like you're packing too much in but that's clearly not the case since you are having problems when loading just a small bit as well. My last thought is to perhaps vary your draw speed?? except I don't think that should really matter either, as long as there is airflow.
Maybe someone familiar with the similarities/contrasts between the EVO and the Mighty will have some more helpful thoughts.
EDIT (after seeing previous post): I felt that @Pyr0 must be dissatisfied at the vapor output as well as the appearance of the AVB to prefer the Mighty at times.
Maybe someone familiar with the similarities/contrasts between the EVO and the Mighty will have some more helpful thoughts.
EDIT (after seeing previous post): I felt that @Pyr0 must be dissatisfied at the vapor output as well as the appearance of the AVB to prefer the Mighty at times.
The Mighty is a hybrid hot air convection combined with conduction vape
It hits hard, but I wanted a desktop vape to take the strain off the batteries and VAS got the better of me
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HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
@Pyr0 try a higher temp too. I hadn't been stirring mine, but I just did and it worked really well, more uniform and a few more hits. Typically though I feel I am getting like 85-90% of everything without stirring though.
I don't blame you for being spoiled on Mighty extraction either; it, appears at least, to extract the fullest out of any of my vapes if going by look (always uniform color, color depending on temp) so maybe unfair comparison (conduction helps with this too thinking on it). This vapes more akin to my underdogs, center is toasted, sides are mostly vaped
I don't blame you for being spoiled on Mighty extraction either; it, appears at least, to extract the fullest out of any of my vapes if going by look (always uniform color, color depending on temp) so maybe unfair comparison (conduction helps with this too thinking on it). This vapes more akin to my underdogs, center is toasted, sides are mostly vaped
KimDracula
Well-Known Member
I just finished an ELB and pulled it out before the last hit and gave it the little flick with my finger to jostle the contents like I used to. The AVB has a uniform coffee color, but I think I've confirmed that the only thing this accomplished was to make that color uniform. I don't think this made any significant difference in high, however. I prefer to take my last hit around 2:30 and skip this last, non-tasty hit, and skip the flicking/stirring.
If found the same thing. I usually finish my session at 3:00, and I can see some spots of brighter AVB, but if I stir and take another hit then that hit will be small, taste burnt, and won't make any noticeable difference to the high. No difference at all.
justcametomind
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Same here except I own a Crafty in place of the Mighty other than a minivap.Hi @KimDracula
Thanks for taking the time to reply
My grind is already quite fine as the flowers I'm using up at the moment are pretty dry.. Not powder, but certainly not chunky either.
I also think the ELBs are too long.
I put a small amount in the bottom (1/4 full maybe) but as soon as I start to draw, the flower is just pulled up in the ELB, makes contact with the lid and just sits there, clumped together.
I've taken to either removing and rotating/tapping the ELB between hits or just removing the lid and stirring.. I just wish I didn't have to as I don't need to with the Mighty which, despite being a lower powered portable, (for me at least) has no learning curve, & seems to provide quicker and more even extraction.
When I get home from work, I've had a bowl in the Mighty before the EVO has even reached temp, never mind heatsoaking
I hoped the EVO would replace the Mighty as my every day vape.. and hate to say it (especially considering the price I paid).. but I occasionally find myself loading up the Mighty instead lol
I can wait the Evo to heat up when starting vaping, but I like a portable to take a hit on the bed.
The flavor on the Evo is not significantly better compared to S&B portables not to talk about the minivap imho.
You can't beat the glass milking up in the Hydratube that's for sure and adds to the experience of the Evo.
If I have to burn my fingers to stir a load inside the Evo I prefer the sadness of leaving some cannabinoids there. What's great of the Crafty is that when a bowl it's done, it's done, you don't get vapor nor burnt taste, which I get in the last hits on the Evo.
EDIT: LOL, I get ALL my hits at noon, I can't bother with that dial. I tried on the very first couple of session only, and got alarm green and reds and such.
What I love on the Evo is being able to load super small amounts like 10mg and get some clouds.
Am i doing something wrong? I see similar claims posted in this thread very often, yet I find that my EVO works best when ELBs are packed at least 25% full, which is about .1. Any less than that and I only get small, unimpressive hits.
They'll get me high, but not to where I want to be unless I do about three of those hits, or just one ELB that's been filled about half way.
Is there something i could be doing to make this thing more efficient, or are my expectations unrealistic and should I just expect one hit from anything less than .1?
Maybe im just using low quality herb (non-legal state), but its not bad herb by any stretch (no seeds, good color, visible trichomes, good smell, etc.). I've shopped at california dispensaries and this bud is one, MAYBE two, steps down from the top-shelf buds that they have out there.
KimDracula
Well-Known Member
No, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I don't think less than .1g should be expected to produce much more than that.
subway13029
Well-Known Member
Vapexhale forgot to send my hyrda foot with my evolver package..though they did include the sxtra wristbands i requested
so i contacted jeff who was in contact about the wristbands and he shipped it out the same day and apologized and assured me it was their mistake and when i recieved the package they had included a few of the silicone concentrate containers and some rez block to boot!! Id say awesome cs from jeff and the vapexhale team..thanks guys!!
so i contacted jeff who was in contact about the wristbands and he shipped it out the same day and apologized and assured me it was their mistake and when i recieved the package they had included a few of the silicone concentrate containers and some rez block to boot!! Id say awesome cs from jeff and the vapexhale team..thanks guys!!
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I just noticed that all the EVO's come with a 3 year warranty now. When I bought mine, it came with a 1 year, and you could purchase a 3 year warranty.
Anyone have any idea if they grandfathered in some of the old purchases to a 3 year warranty?
Would be a kick ass thing to do, and VapeXhale is known to do kick ass things!
Anyone have any idea if they grandfathered in some of the old purchases to a 3 year warranty?
Would be a kick ass thing to do, and VapeXhale is known to do kick ass things!
KimDracula
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Where are you on the dial? Are you at 3 O'clock? Is it heat-soaked (been on for a while at temp)? I don't weight stuff, but give a good dusting of top shelf in an ELB and take it all in one hit. Check the ABV: should be pretty brown. Gives a good hit on mine.
It is easy to pack too much in an ELB, I think it works best with smaller loads, at least for me. After a hit, notice where the material is: it's all vacuumed up next the cap. I believe the larger the load, the harder it is for the hot air to circulate around the pieces which is needed to vape efficiently.
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Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
Why is that bad? If it fell back down, it maybe could self-stir (which is not needed) but also some tiny particles would fall through the bottom of the ELB, into the bamboo, burn and make a tiny bit of soot and smoke.
...you don't have to.
While I agree with getting all the high without stirring, I am also easily getting an uniform ABV color without any stirring whatsoever.
The Mighty is a hybrid hot air convection combined with conduction vape
It hits hard, but I wanted a desktop vape to take the strain off the batteries and VAS got the better of me
Even as a hybrid it is cooking herb with conduction.
It is not the same as pure convection.
You can't assume you consumed the vapor with any conduction. You are cooking things off when it warms up and between hits.
@HellsWindStaff see the vid.
It's bad because it's not fully extracting the load all at once and evenly
It's bad because it doesn't fall back down - without help.
It's bad because it's not at the bottom of the ELB any more where it's hotter.
It's bad because it's all clumped together and not allowing the air to flow freely through and around it
I do If I want complete extraction
I know it's not the same as pure convection, I never said it was.
My point was that on my EVO, I don't appear to be getting full, even extraction without having to tap/stir the load.
I know there are some losses with conduction, but apart from the initial 90 second warm up, I don't think I'm losing much in my Mighty as I clear a 0.2g bowl in 2 quick hits about 10 seconds apart through a bubbler or the HT.
I agree with everything you've written including the taste and the EVO certainly seems more suited to smaller loads than the Mighty...
This past week, I've been setting the dial to around 1'ish.
The red/green flashing is just the auto shutoff, when it does that, I can quickly flick it off/on and it continues to work.
I only seem to get the rapid green flashing (needing to switch off for 5 mins) when I go to 2 or above and have it on for a while.
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