The Arizer Air

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ajsitkowski said:
...yes, it's hilariously convenient if you don't have an AAir GonG
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Actually all Air owners have GonG adapters, right? Or maybe PonG......but the plastic topped stems fit 14mm connectors already.

panckage said:
So I'm asking my knowledgeable brothers and sisters here. Is the condition I got the vaporizer in normal for a new unit?
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Bummer, no it's not. Sure sounds used to me. IMO highly unlikely to have shipped from Arizer in a batch of new production.

Still it was little used it would seem, less than a dozen sessions out of the thousand or more you're planning on? If it was mine, and it was working normally, I'd probably accept it.....but might want to warn others.....

Sorta like you did?

Air is an excellent, thought through vape from an experienced maker. It's earning a solid reputation, following on after Solo. I'm confident you'll end up enjoying it, and that's what matters in the end?

Regards to all,

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ajsitkowski said:
For any of you interesting who happen to have an Arizer Air...AND an E-Nano...
So....the GonG for the Nano most certainly fits in the Air...yes, it's hilariously convenient if you don't have an AAir GonG
Cons: The Nano GonG Bowl is thicker than the bowl for the Air, meaning the glass can't get as hot. Still hits surprisingly well.
*Note*...Make sure you take the GonG out before your unit cools down, as we don't want that GonG getting stuck!

Tip #2!
If you get the silicon from the Nano GonG (or any other glass stem silicone most likely) and place it over your Air acrylic stem with the black screw cap removed, the silicone/stem will slide perfectly into an 18mm female.
Cons: ...It can be SLIGHTLY difficult to clear, as you have to pull out the Air, which is somewhat wedged with the Silicone Stem Combo.

Good finds!
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Gongs may vary in OD so I wouldn't bank on them always working. Great if it does though!
 
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I just found a sweet glass tip made by DC glass on twitter... has a domed end... I'm not sure how to post pics though... anyone?
 
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Does anyone know a UK supplier of AA batteries? namaste out of stock still. would also like to know what sort of batt it is really. vapefiend does a non aa bat, but are pricey considering not oem
 
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Chainfish said:
Does anyone know a UK supplier of AA batteries? namaste out of stock still. would also like to know what sort of batt it is really. vapefiend does a non aa bat, but are pricey considering not oem
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Sorry, I don't know a UK source, but exactly what it is, where it comes from, and why it's probably the absolute best unit for the Air has been well researched by our very own CentiZen:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/

He also offers the genuine article at an attractive price, but often shipping defeats that idea. Since they're made in the EU IIRC, perhaps you could get them directly?

Here they're easy to find, the official ones are $10 or so so you can save at most a few dollars making it an easy call/recommendation.

Good luck.

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apopleptic said:
Here are the finding I have had with the 10 batteries I've gotten over the past 3 weeks since getting my first AA unit.
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Thanks for this good work - and if each of the 80 or more sessions was a stem, for surviving what must have been a very large total dose of THC.
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The pattern of discharge will depend on how much air moves through the heater so the aromatherapy cup result makes sense to me.
Results are in line with my own informal experiments counting my own idiosyncratic sessions - 3/4 stem, lightly packed with shredded very dry material, generally at green or pink until that slighly charred taste starts....
From fully charged to time for recharge ("red" when first turned on) using the oem, samsung 25r and panasonic NCR18650B cells.
I always charge the oem battery using the inbuilt charger hoping for some optimization. The others go on a nitecore d2 for a normal charge.

OEM battery usually gets through 3 or 4 stems.
The panasonics will generally do at least 6 or 7 stems and the samsungs seem to do 5 reliably

Bottom line seems to be that the current crop of high discharge 18650 cells from reputable manufacturers can provide a substantially larger number of sessions than the oem battery.
I recall some initial anxiety expressed here about potential damage to the air from aftermarket cells. I only use the inbuilt charger for my one oem cell and my Air seems fine after about 6 months of regularly rotating the oem cell with pair of high discharge samsung and panasonics always charged using an external charger. Hardly scientific proof, but suggests that the risk is low. Time will tell.
As always, YMMV

Chainfish said:
Does anyone know a UK supplier of AA batteries?
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If you're patient, not risk averse and willing to purchase non-oem cells from a big Chinese supplier, I've had good experience with samsung 25R and a nitecore d2 charger (from fasttech.com) and panasonic NCR18650B batteries (from banggood.com - yes, that name!) to Sydney, Australia.

Shipping is very slow and I've always chosen to pay the small premium for tracking - everything I've ordered from those two suppliers has turned up genuine and in good condition after about 3 or 4 weeks.

These cheap chinese suppliers and generic 18650 high discharge cells are definitely higher risk than genuine oem cells from arizer or centizen. However, the upsides for me are that I get more sessions per charge, particularly with the panasonics and the cost was about half including delivery (US$11 for a pair delivered with tracking from banggood)
As always, YMMV
 
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I have several 20amp + cells for my ecig. I would quite happily pay £10 each. Issue is not knowing what's safe. I use my one oem cell in my xtarvp4
 
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apopleptic said:
Here are the finding I have had with the 10 batteries I've gotten over the past 3 weeks since getting my first AA unit. I acquired a second unit (supposed to be a gift but she didn't like it) and performed some of the testing over with nearly identical results.
The batteries consist of 2x purple OEM, 2xgreen samsung INR18650 25R, 2xblue samsung INR18650 25R, and 4xPanasonic NCR18650B.
All batteries were charged using a LUCv4 charger on .5a. The units were all allowed at least 10 minutes of cooling and battery rest between sessions. Testing was stopped when the battery light blinked.
*The run listed as panasonic 8 Aromatherapy was using the cup that came with it and no air draw. Comparing that to next column (panasonic 8 run 2) which is the same battery being used as extremely as possible and you will notice an approximate difference of .03v in the drain comparatively. Using these numbers I believe that a 3% margin of error (per session) in the battery drain is about the maximum you would expect to see based on usage patterns.
**I have noted voltage draws from 2.1a to 3.9a from cold on the highest temp settings.



I have to say the OEM batteries are VERY disappointing. They performed poorest out of all the batteries, failing to finish a 6th session every single time. They did perform equal with each other so I don't know that there is any issue with them. One of the blue samsungs ended slightly prematurely (6th session ended 10 seconds early.)
The other samsung batteries all got at least a partial 7th session and the panasonics got me an 8th session 4 out of 5 times I measured.

I would have to say that there is no discernible difference in the heat up times, or the quality of use/vapor based on different batteries.
I plan on running a few more tests, including a continuous drain test (straight use from full to empty) and tests that compare the benefits of using the silicone wrap that came with the units.
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Awesome information! Thanks for doing that and sharing with us. Question about the Panasonic NCR18650B you tested. Do you have a link for the ones you tested? I'm seeing some inconsistencies on Amazon.

1) I see these advertised as 3.7V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...c NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

2) these are 3.6V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...c NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

3) these are 3.6V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...c NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_4&sr=8-4.

Obviously the quantities are different. But weird that I'm seeing different voltages and curious which you tested with. Thanks!
 
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Hi everyone,

My first post here. I just created an account just for this topic, because I also own a Arizer Air for 6 months or so now.
I stopped smoking weed a couple of years ago, because my throat got soar after smoking.
Thats why I started vaping, I first started with the Arizer V Tower, later I switched to a Arizer Extreme Q.
I really love the V Tower & Extreme Q because it was really nice and soft for my throat. I didn't have any problems no more in comparison to smoking.

So I was really excited to try the Arizer Air. But to my big disappointment: vaping through the Air was a lot rougher and not that nice for my throat. I almost immediately had the same issues with the Air as I had with smoking.
My first opinion about the Air was pretty negative, especially considering the high price (I live in Holland, its a little bit more expensive over here then it is for most of you guys).

I read somewhere about placing an extra screen on the bottom of the chamber, and this indeed helped out a lot. The taste of the vapor was a lot nicer and softer. But still not that nice as with my Extreme Q.

I know I really have to draw slowly, it makes a big difference, but I still think its not that nice as for example with my Extreme Q and the new Crafty that I tried out a couple of weeks ago.
Yesterday I lost my extra screen that was placed in the heating chamber when I was on the road.
I only took a couple of draws, but my throat went so sore that I still feel it today :(

Does anyone experience similar problems like me with the Air?
I really think the Air is not that good at producing nice & gentle vapor, or is that really just me?
 
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Its not just you, but I think you need to adjust your expectations. You are comparing it to a home vape (Q). The Air is a very small portable vaporizer. It doesn't have a lot of room to cool down before hitting your throat.

That said, its up with the best portable vapes out there. It's currently my only go to vape on the go and before the E-nano, it was my home vape too. If you want to use it at home, try a bubbler or get a whip with it maybe?
 
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@dusdat You might have a sensitive throat like I have. I enjoy the Air with a extended mouthpiece when I don't need stealth. The Solo stems fit the Air. That should help with any irritation.

This really is a good little portable with the user replaceable batteries. It's well made and should last you a long time.
 
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dusdat said:
Hi everyone,

My first post here. I just created an account just for this topic, because I also own a Arizer Air for 6 months or so now.
I stopped smoking weed a couple of years ago, because my throat got soar after smoking.
Thats why I started vaping, I first started with the Arizer Volcano, later I switched to a Arizer Extreme Q.
I really love the Volcano & Extreme Q because it was really nice and soft for my throat. I didn't have any problems no more in comparison to smoking.

So I was really excited to try the Arizer Air. But to my big disappointment: vaping through the Air was a lot rougher and not that nice for my throat. I almost immediately had the same issues with the Air as I had with smoking.
My first opinion about the Air was pretty negative, especially considering the high price (I live in Holland, its a little bit more expensive over here then it is for most of you guys).

I read somewhere about placing an extra screen on the bottom of the chamber, and this indeed helped out a lot. The taste of the vapor was a lot nicer and softer. But still not that nice as with my Extreme Q.

I know I really have to draw slowly, it makes a big difference, but I still think its not that nice as for example with my Extreme Q and the new Crafty that I tried out a couple of weeks ago.
Yesterday I lost my extra screen that was placed in the heating chamber when I was on the road.
I only took a couple of draws, but my throat went so sore that I still feel it today :(

Does anyone experience similar problems like me with the Air?
I really think the Air is not that good at producing nice & gentle vapor, or is that really just me?
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Some of the members of this thread discussed harsher draws when their medicine was damp due to high humidity. Try drying a bit of medicine with a few minutes near a bulb or heat source.
 
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Several good suggestions (longer stems, better cure, etc) which I agree with of course, to which I'd like to add considering a small WT. This one adds to the bulk some, but it cools, adds moisture, and can trap some of the wax and other stuff that's not necessary.
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This one is about the same size as Air (smaller by a bit), there are smaller ones in diameter but they can be 'overrun' with a hard Air hit. These guys have water traps at each end so they don't spill (can be carried in your pocket) and the bit of silicone tube makes it easy/fast to put them on and take them off.

Otherwise I agree, it's not very fair to expect a power limited portable to stand up to a mains powered desk top unit in all respects.

With proper technique I think you can get outstanding performance which is what drives the popularity of Air and Solo before it.

Good luck getting to know your new vape, IMO it's a great one.

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Thank you for the advices!

Carol's suggestion about a extended mouthpiece should be a improvement, I'll def try that one out. Only downside about the extended mouthpiece is that I use my Air mostly at work and the short Easyflow mouthpieces are real good for leaving in my pocket, because they are compact.
 
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absoludicrous said:
Awesome information! Thanks for doing that and sharing with us. Question about the Panasonic NCR18650B you tested. Do you have a link for the ones you tested? I'm seeing some inconsistencies on Amazon.

1) I see these advertised as 3.7V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHXY72O?keywords=Panasonic NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

2) these are 3.6V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C26OWGS?keywords=Panasonic NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

3) these are 3.6V 3400 mAh
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QCEA6KW?keywords=Panasonic NCR18650B&qid=1444375015&ref_=sr_1_4&sr=8-4.

Obviously the quantities are different. But weird that I'm seeing different voltages and curious which you tested with. Thanks!
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I actually got mine off of ebay.
this is the item:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-2...V-3400mah-Battery-18650-w-Case-/291581539185?
 
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