Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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skeletor
Active Member
Hey Crafty Friends!
So, I mentioned a few weeks back my replacement unit is a 2.0.8. I'm noticing some things that are different with use than my 2.0.7. I'm now about 20 hours into use and feel like the Crafty's had a break-in period. Here's what I'm noticing. I'm interested to see if anyone is having similar experiences between the two firmwares, or if maybe I just have a normal Crafty now after having a crappy one :-)
I want to stress that my Crafty is working and my vapor extraction is great -- but I am curious if anyone else's session experiences are different with the 2.0.8. firmware.
-- With a fully and tightly packed bowl and from a starting temp of 75 F, my 2.0.7. could heat to 185 degrees in about a minute and 45 seconds on a full charge. My 2.0.8. almost always takes *at least* 2 minutes and 30 seconds on a full charge, if not 2 minutes and 45 seconds.
-- My sessions are longer now (used to be about 8 minutes -- now 12-13), but I am getting *better* and *longer* duration vapor. Yes -- my heat up time is up to a minute longer -- but my active use time is also longer.
-- Though I am getting 1 less session out of the battery because of their length, I am getting slightly better battery run-time on each charge. The old Crafty would make it through about 4 7-9 minute sessions. The new one is making it through 3 12-15 minute sessions.
-- I am boosting to 205 for the last of my sessions -- often after about 8-9 minutes of use. Between the 11-12 minute mark, I will see the "Let the battery cool down!" alert in the app. I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember seeing that alert very infrequently on my old unit when it was new, and consistently within 6 minutes on my old unit.
-- If I run the Crafty from a full charge all the way until it bottoms out and turns off, I am getting about 3 12-13 minute sessions -- but the last session using the last 1/3 of the battery can take up to 4 minutes (!) to heat to temperature, and the reheat time between inhales is significantly longer than normal. Also, the "Allow the battery to cool down!" warning happens earlier in the session -- because the heater is working its butt off without enough juice?
-- Charge time is longer, without a doubt. From empty to full, my battery is taking up to 3 hours to charge.
-- The Crafty app seems wonky, or something has changed about charge rate. I have seen my Crafty sit and charge the 5th bar for an hour, and then take all of 10 minutes to charge the last bar...
Anyone else seeing these sorts of differences? I would complain and say, "It sucks because now I am only getting 3 sessions out of my battery instead of 4," but I also feel like it's not running anywhere near as burning hot as my old unit would get, and that it seems to do a better job of extracting and using less battery per session than my old unit...
So, I mentioned a few weeks back my replacement unit is a 2.0.8. I'm noticing some things that are different with use than my 2.0.7. I'm now about 20 hours into use and feel like the Crafty's had a break-in period. Here's what I'm noticing. I'm interested to see if anyone is having similar experiences between the two firmwares, or if maybe I just have a normal Crafty now after having a crappy one :-)
I want to stress that my Crafty is working and my vapor extraction is great -- but I am curious if anyone else's session experiences are different with the 2.0.8. firmware.
-- With a fully and tightly packed bowl and from a starting temp of 75 F, my 2.0.7. could heat to 185 degrees in about a minute and 45 seconds on a full charge. My 2.0.8. almost always takes *at least* 2 minutes and 30 seconds on a full charge, if not 2 minutes and 45 seconds.
-- My sessions are longer now (used to be about 8 minutes -- now 12-13), but I am getting *better* and *longer* duration vapor. Yes -- my heat up time is up to a minute longer -- but my active use time is also longer.
-- Though I am getting 1 less session out of the battery because of their length, I am getting slightly better battery run-time on each charge. The old Crafty would make it through about 4 7-9 minute sessions. The new one is making it through 3 12-15 minute sessions.
-- I am boosting to 205 for the last of my sessions -- often after about 8-9 minutes of use. Between the 11-12 minute mark, I will see the "Let the battery cool down!" alert in the app. I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember seeing that alert very infrequently on my old unit when it was new, and consistently within 6 minutes on my old unit.
-- If I run the Crafty from a full charge all the way until it bottoms out and turns off, I am getting about 3 12-13 minute sessions -- but the last session using the last 1/3 of the battery can take up to 4 minutes (!) to heat to temperature, and the reheat time between inhales is significantly longer than normal. Also, the "Allow the battery to cool down!" warning happens earlier in the session -- because the heater is working its butt off without enough juice?
-- Charge time is longer, without a doubt. From empty to full, my battery is taking up to 3 hours to charge.
-- The Crafty app seems wonky, or something has changed about charge rate. I have seen my Crafty sit and charge the 5th bar for an hour, and then take all of 10 minutes to charge the last bar...
Anyone else seeing these sorts of differences? I would complain and say, "It sucks because now I am only getting 3 sessions out of my battery instead of 4," but I also feel like it's not running anywhere near as burning hot as my old unit would get, and that it seems to do a better job of extracting and using less battery per session than my old unit...
Jakexe
New Member
I just sent away my 2nd crafty yesterday from the orange and red lights. I do use mine as a desktop unit but I have ~40min breaks between bowls. Mostly to let the unit cool down. I leave it on charge, so I unplug when I want to use it and plug it back in when im done. I had it on 185/195C most of the time. I did notice that the crafty seems to get a lot hotter a lot quicker before it eventually dies.
I love the unit and my reseller is excellent so replacing it isn't a big deal but it is annoying. Sucks to have such a good unit plagued with errors.
I love the unit and my reseller is excellent so replacing it isn't a big deal but it is annoying. Sucks to have such a good unit plagued with errors.
Frank Reynolds
Well-Known Member
I sure would like to buy one of these to tide me over but it seems like every other poster is on their 3rd or 4th unit and still having some problems. I have a feeling if S&B didn't have the years and years of Volcano sales behind them this and the mighty might have been their undoing.
The new unit we received does have the updated reinforced housing. Although it's running 2.07.. just like our first unit.
Stinky
Well-Known Member
Did you buy from Ausvapes?
Direct from the SB Germany HQ.
BioSector
Well-Known Member
Received my 2nd warranty replacement Crafty yesterday. The communication was pretty bad during the time it was away and for being promised expedited service due to being out $30 for shipping, it was the standard procedure of 2-3 days after getting my unit, an automated "we've sent a package email"
Serial number in the 30k range, firmware 2.08, updated housing of course (the one I had sent away had it though too). My Mighty was received by them (2nd one) on Monday, expecting a shipment notice today or tomorrow on that one.
Glad to have the S&B back but annoying when both are out for service at the same time.
Serial number in the 30k range, firmware 2.08, updated housing of course (the one I had sent away had it though too). My Mighty was received by them (2nd one) on Monday, expecting a shipment notice today or tomorrow on that one.
Glad to have the S&B back but annoying when both are out for service at the same time.
inhale
New Member
Hey guys I have been following this thread for a while as I am interested on buying a Crafty, but I have a major concern over the amount of users claiming several faulty units in a short period of time. So in my case living outside of US and having to pay custom taxes on it's way back it is impossible for me to be swapping units if mine fails. But as I have seen here users like @Vambo1980 had successfully managed to tear his Crafty apart to change his battery and fix the red/orange lights of death. I am familiar to electronics and even studied on the field for a couple of years. I am wondering if these red/orange lights of death that users normally describe here are due to a faulty battery or is it due to a faulty motherboard, because as @Vambo1980 described on his post, his issues were fairly easy to fix, so I would like to know if any user actually knows when this red/orange light blinks what sort of problem it is related to or if it can be related to several other issues. Thank you very much, really appreciate if anyone can help me out gathering some information about these issues. Cheers
diddymao
aint no party like a diddy party
Regarding the vapefiend water adapter:
i`v been kinda skitzo with this thing,
hated it
loved it
hated it again
now i think i have cracked it
A lot of people are complaining about the device not giving out big old clouds or "whitewalling"
in my opinion i think the problem is the fact that the space between the bottom of the adapter screen
and the top of the herb is to big, allowing the weed to fly about and not stay compact as it does when the cooling unit or muzzmod is attached to it.
My "hack" is to put one of the oil pads into the gap between the bottom of the glass and the screen(hey the screen may not even be needed) this keeps the herb compact, takes a slightly harder toke but im getting my clouds!!!
Long winded but i hope you all feel me
(posted this in the mighty thread as i felt it was relevant)
i`v been kinda skitzo with this thing,
hated it
loved it
hated it again
now i think i have cracked it
A lot of people are complaining about the device not giving out big old clouds or "whitewalling"
in my opinion i think the problem is the fact that the space between the bottom of the adapter screen
and the top of the herb is to big, allowing the weed to fly about and not stay compact as it does when the cooling unit or muzzmod is attached to it.
My "hack" is to put one of the oil pads into the gap between the bottom of the glass and the screen(hey the screen may not even be needed) this keeps the herb compact, takes a slightly harder toke but im getting my clouds!!!
Long winded but i hope you all feel me
(posted this in the mighty thread as i felt it was relevant)
vapviking
Old & In the Way
Based on my experience (just sent Crafty #3 back) if I were in your position, I'd get something more reliable. I do not want to bash the company; they may get all the problems ironed out sooner or later. Some folks may disagree with me, maybe your use pattern is very light.
I'm a pretty good tinkererr, too, but if I were about to lay out this much $, and knew i had no other recourse, I'd pause if I found myself anticipating dis-assembly before I've even got it! I'd rather anticipate the fun part!
When there was a worn-out battery issue in one of mine, there were no red/orange lights, just the charging pattern became erratic, and it would not hold charge. A different unit (relatively young at 9 weeks) got the red/orange lites and I tried charging to full, which it achieved (steady blue light) but it still went to red/orange when switched on. So I think it likely there is more than a faulty battery when these lights come on.
Happy deciding, it's not easy with such a huge new world of products on the market.
Frank Reynolds
Well-Known Member
That's a given for any product vaporizer or not, but compared to just about any other thread on this forum there are more posts complaining of problems in here. I realize FC is a small sample size but it is a sample nonetheless.
inhale
New Member
Based on my experience (just sent Crafty #3 back)
Happy deciding, it's not easy with such a huge new world of products on the market.
Fair enough, thanks for your reply mate, yes it is very hard to decide which one I should buy, all other vaporizers seems to not produce a consistent and continually vapor like the Crafty. I was thinking about the haze v3, pax 2, but then there is the alfa as well. Very hard to choose and I need one asap as I am allergic to smoke. Really sucks that the crafty is having so many problems, I was going to get one but then I found this thread here at FC and I pulled back.
Kaptan
Well-Known Member
Out of the vapes you mentioned , the Crafty does produce the most thick, consistent vapor. I would reccomend finding a local retailer you can deal with that will exchange in case of warranty concerns so you do not need to deal with shipment costs and customs fees.
Mr. Me2
Well-Known Member
FYI, I have a Crafty and Pax 2. I prefer the Crafty, but am really afraid of it failing and the unknown of S&B customer service. I'm also not a fan of the cu maintenance. But it works great!
The pax 2 has great form factor, and you almost never hear about production problems. Plus they are on this site (@Ojan_at_PAX) and treat us great. And maintenance is a breeze.
I think you should save up and get both.
I've been tempted by the Alfa too, but from all reviews I've seen, these 2 have it beat. Maybe someone here has all three and can weigh in.
Coolbreezz
New Member
My crafty already stoped Working just after 75 days. Not something you expect from something you paid $340 dollars for. But in all fairness i Do have to say my pax did the same thing after a month and also had to be replaced under warranty. My Arizer solo lasted about 2 years . That's pulling about 7 sessions per day.
Storz & bickel customer service responded within 3 hours of my email in a very timely manner. I was informed to send my item in for repair. I guess if these companies are willing to fix or replace the item it's just really an inconvenience for the customer and of course with the crafty you pay for the shipping there. We'll see how long this crafty lasts after I get it back.......
Storz & bickel customer service responded within 3 hours of my email in a very timely manner. I was informed to send my item in for repair. I guess if these companies are willing to fix or replace the item it's just really an inconvenience for the customer and of course with the crafty you pay for the shipping there. We'll see how long this crafty lasts after I get it back.......
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vapviking
Old & In the Way
Kaptan has a good suggestion about local purchase. If a you are a heavy user, you could consider the somewhat(?) more robust Mighty.
Mighty doesn't have flashing lights, it'll just crap out with less drama, but it seems maybe less often than the Crafty? Other folks' take on that?
Still, wouldn't pick up either if you're not in a place that can get warranty service.
off topic ?!?!? hmmm...
Did anyone see Stephen Colbert's piece about VAPING last night?
I almost dropped the Pax mid-puff when he introduced the segment!
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inhale
New Member
Yeah dude, I understand the mighty seems a little bit more reliable but I don't feel like it is worth the extra dollars on it for maybe get a few more hours out of it. I guess I will just sit and wait until something more reliable and good as the crafty/mighty is released and maybe even a crafty 2 we never know, hopefully they will come up with a more reliable version soon, there is the vapir prima that was just released as well and the initial reviews put it very close to the crafty, not to mention GH ... So yeah thank you for the support I will keep an eye here on FC
As much as I like my Crafty, I cannot recommend it for your situation, @inhale. I would look for something with a proven reliability like the Arizer Solo or Air. The Crafty (and to a lesser extent the Mighty) seem to not have the longevity for an international buyer to justify the cost.
Seja bem vindo, capixaba!
Kaptan
Well-Known Member
They should have sent you a shipping label so you don't have to pay either way. That's what I have done with every defective Crafty.
Coolbreezz
New Member
NOPE they never offered to pay for the shipping there.Maybe I should of asked!But it only cost me four bucks to ship anyways.
BioSector
Well-Known Member
hah, Good guess past self, got the notice my Mighty is on its way back today.
edit: as for shipping, if you are outside the USA you will always have to pay for return shipping. I usually ask nicely for some free screens, o rings, etc. to cover my shipping and they typically oblige.
Stinky
Well-Known Member
I am in Australia. My retailer pays for shipping on both ends.hah, Good guess past self, got the notice my Mighty is on its way back today.
edit: as for shipping, if you are outside the USA you will always have to pay for return shipping. I usually ask nicely for some free screens, o rings, etc. to cover my shipping and they typically oblige.