Surely americans aren't really afraid of being invaded? The usa is a large and powerful country and any other country wanting to invade it would have to be insane. I would be more afraid of september 11-style attacks, and guns aren't much use in that type of situation.
WTF Is Wrong With America And Gun Control?
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Some folks think they need to protect their homes from invasion of other Americans - they feel they need to be armed to protect their homes. They may feel their lives are in danger of some kind. Some folks walk around with guns on their body or in their cars. In some cases really out of control. The paranoid of society - they are called the tea baggers. 
They are worried that their guns will be taken away.
Not all gun owners feel that way, that's just the extreme cases. Plenty of good people enjoy collecting guns ( kinda like collecting vaporizers) and probably don't even shoot them. Some folks have a hobby of going to shooting ranges and shoot for sport. Then you have the sports hunters. Plenty of good people have guns. It's the insane people that have guns that want to cause harm that we have to worry about.
It seems like we are seeing more and more of those nut cases at schools and theaters.
They are worried that their guns will be taken away.Not all gun owners feel that way, that's just the extreme cases. Plenty of good people enjoy collecting guns ( kinda like collecting vaporizers) and probably don't even shoot them. Some folks have a hobby of going to shooting ranges and shoot for sport. Then you have the sports hunters. Plenty of good people have guns. It's the insane people that have guns that want to cause harm that we have to worry about.
It seems like we are seeing more and more of those nut cases at schools and theaters.
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Good points @CarolKing. Media reports make it easy to think that the usa is full of crazy, stupid people but of course this is both untrue and unfair. Your large population means that the 1% of crazy people is much larger than the australian 1% of crazy people (hope that makes sense).
What saddens me is that every time the usa tries to have a discussion about gun control, the paranoid citizens are the ones who get to shout down everybody else. In the meantime, american children and adults are losing their lives with a frightening regularity.
It's good to be able to have this discussion without the vitriol that usually ensues. I am finding it particularly interesting to hear all the different points of view.
What saddens me is that every time the usa tries to have a discussion about gun control, the paranoid citizens are the ones who get to shout down everybody else. In the meantime, american children and adults are losing their lives with a frightening regularity.
It's good to be able to have this discussion without the vitriol that usually ensues. I am finding it particularly interesting to hear all the different points of view.
Yup. Feel the Bern! He'll fix it.
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
If this was true, the only think they'd be carrying around is a smile and not a gun!
@grokit , @bella :- This is the problem, good laws to protect good people against bad oppressors, be it external or internal, that are unfortunately out-of-date in a post world war, nuclear age.
What I find odd is USA has what would be considered a fairly modern civil war, you would have thought they had learned pointing guns at each other wasn't the solution.
A smart enemy should probably campaign for more guns in USA and then just sit back and watch them kill themselves!
Edit: Also considering the news yesterday I saw regarding an 11 year old boy who took his
Dad's shotgun and blew away the girl next door over a petty squabble.
Clearly it's not just sensible adults who understand the meaning of the 2nd amendment and when it's appropriate to use a gun that has access to these guns!
kellya86
Herb gardener...
Think tea bagging as we know it must be a uk thing.
If the majority of us citizens don't want their gun laws changed then they won't be changed. Over the years there have been so many mass shootings and after each one i waited for the announcement about new gun control laws. After the Sandy Hook (primary school) shooting, i realised that the laws were not going to change.
If the shooting of primary school children doesn't result in new gun control laws then i don't know what will. We non-americans (and many americans) all know that fewer guns means fewer mass shootings, fewer accidental shootings and fewer suicidal shootings but until a majority of americans agree with this nothing will change.
If the shooting of primary school children doesn't result in new gun control laws then i don't know what will. We non-americans (and many americans) all know that fewer guns means fewer mass shootings, fewer accidental shootings and fewer suicidal shootings but until a majority of americans agree with this nothing will change.
kellya86
Herb gardener...
Very true @bella. If a primary school shooting won't change the law what will.
This seems a no brainer to me.
What the fuck are you yanks playing at. Come on sort it out and stop the murder. You could still have certain weapons for sport. But you don't need handguns and assault rifles. These weapons are purely for killing humans. If no one had them, you would need them for defence.
This is so black and white to me, I cannot understand why nothing has been done.
Arrogance.
This seems a no brainer to me.
What the fuck are you yanks playing at. Come on sort it out and stop the murder. You could still have certain weapons for sport. But you don't need handguns and assault rifles. These weapons are purely for killing humans. If no one had them, you would need them for defence.
This is so black and white to me, I cannot understand why nothing has been done.
Arrogance.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
Not true. It is getting to a point where an individual citizen could theoretically build an army of drones or use germ warfare or nano technology etc... to bring not just the US, but the world to its knees. Unfortunately.
Exactly.. I think many americans worry about all kinds of silly stuff like that and they are borderline..
There is no point in worring about stuff I can't control imo but no one can argue american rabbits have serious claws whether it be my gov or another.
I worry about silly shit like lack of fresh water, food shortages, clean air and fuel prices.
All these can drive people/goverments to do crazy silly things. I think we just want to be prepared for anything.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.
Edit. I don't speak for all Americans of course but I am a left wing redneck that lives in the mountains.
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gangababa
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The purpose of the second amendment was to get the southern states to agree to the new 1788 Constitution.
The southern states wanted a guarantee that their state governments could maintain (white citizen) militias to continue predatory and tyrannical control over slaves.
It is time to litter the dustbin of history with the 2nd amendment that amends and fixes nothing in the 21st century.
Anyone who thinks the founding fathers would accept bullet riddled kid-bodies as a better choice than modifying the 2nd amendment (like Ben Carson said), clearly assumes that the founders were idiots.
Hell-fire drone missiles for everyone.
The southern states wanted a guarantee that their state governments could maintain (white citizen) militias to continue predatory and tyrannical control over slaves.
It is time to litter the dustbin of history with the 2nd amendment that amends and fixes nothing in the 21st century.
Anyone who thinks the founding fathers would accept bullet riddled kid-bodies as a better choice than modifying the 2nd amendment (like Ben Carson said), clearly assumes that the founders were idiots.
Hell-fire drone missiles for everyone.
grokit
well-worn member
You're against drones for kids but okay with hellfire missiles for everyone?
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420engineer
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surely America needs more guns, right? I mean, look how many of these mass shootings of civilians have been stopped by a good guy with his gun. amirite?
http://controversialtimes.com/issue...hootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
Probably just NRA bs.
Edit: from the first shooting in that link.
Ignoring mental illness, bullying and the new pressures of social media.
Probably just NRA bs.
Edit: from the first shooting in that link.
Ignoring mental illness, bullying and the new pressures of social media.
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CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
You guys from the UK probably don't know what I was referring to when I said Tea Baggers.
There's a political group that is a part of the Republican Party. They formed around the time that Sarah Palin fiasco after her and John McCann lost the election to Obama and Biden. They are right wing whackos that think that Obama is from Kenya and not an American citizen and they are worried that their guns will be taken away by Obama. They have no tolerance for Gays or Lesbians to marry. They believe all kinds of crazy shit. They probably only have sex in the missionary position too for Christ sakes.
This group makes the whole Republican Party look bad.
I wasn't referring to the other tea bagging.
. There's a political group that is a part of the Republican Party. They formed around the time that Sarah Palin fiasco after her and John McCann lost the election to Obama and Biden. They are right wing whackos that think that Obama is from Kenya and not an American citizen and they are worried that their guns will be taken away by Obama. They have no tolerance for Gays or Lesbians to marry. They believe all kinds of crazy shit. They probably only have sex in the missionary position too for Christ sakes.
This group makes the whole Republican Party look bad.
I wasn't referring to the other tea bagging.
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I loathe extremists. They bully, threaten and shout everyone else down and refuse to even consider any position other than their own. They are willing to place ideology above the murder of young children and the safety of citizens. I am greatly disturbed by any group that is convinced of its own 'rightness' above all others.
Gonzo
Slightly Stoopid
This is a thread I am starting in response to the growing conversation in the Presidential Candidate thread. Here is Grokit's last response
"Don't get me wrong, gun laws in the US need to be updated."
Updating happens all the time. How about we actually start enforcing the existing gun laws.
@grokit
I agree with enforcing but there are numerous loopholes that need to be closed. Unchecked sales at Gun Shows and a waiting period that expires even if a background check isn't completed are two that come to mind.
"Don't get me wrong, gun laws in the US need to be updated."
Updating happens all the time. How about we actually start enforcing the existing gun laws.
@grokit
I agree with enforcing but there are numerous loopholes that need to be closed. Unchecked sales at Gun Shows and a waiting period that expires even if a background check isn't completed are two that come to mind.
I'd like to see that available technology that makes guns less easy to fire, such as fingerprint/unlock or ring/unlock be allowed. My understanding is that the NRA is against this tech, because some states have enacted laws that mandate everyone comply should the tech be allowed. Hey... what do I know? I'm forever gunless but I'm from a hunting family (The Family That Kills Together Stays Together).
Gonzo
Slightly Stoopid
I am big for that technology as well Bill. Other than the added cost associated I don't really see a downfall.
It would also alleviate a good bit of the fear most Police officers have of their gun being taken and turned on them.
I may be mistaken, but I think Apple has a patent on this technology.
It would also alleviate a good bit of the fear most Police officers have of their gun being taken and turned on them.
I may be mistaken, but I think Apple has a patent on this technology.
Make it direct tax write-off to convert and make it free and make it mandatory. That is, if such a thing were possible. Wouldn't reduce suicides by gun, assuming the suicide owned the gun. Suicides = 60 % of gun deaths per year.
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