Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless
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weenstoned
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So the point of the foil is just to keep it folded or am I missing something? Couldn't you just make a hard crease when folding normal parchment to keep it closed.
I went with the same 1/4" carts but shorter. Will be drilling them along with a thermocouple into some aluminum alloy plates I had cut, controlled by a single pid.
2clicker
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post pics of your build if you can. i do not have an official PID, but i do have a wall dimming switch hooked up to a wall outlet... all in a little box. should work minus having a readout of any kind.
anyway... welcome to the fun. onward pioneers!
The point of the foil is for the foil side to be facing the heat and the parch side for the oil. I didn't notice any of that with the demo. I believe the temps he recommended were around 275.
weenstoned
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Ya but is it supposed to conduct heat or what? Or just for weight.
Agreed. The slick wrap looks nice but my jaws are not coated like hair press irons and the two do not play well together.
I have a decent set of Mitutoyo micrometer's here that are good to .0001" . The slick wrap measures .0020" and my parchment measures .0026" fyi.
Edit: Finally found some Reynolds brand and it measures .0022"
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herbivore21
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Man you had the same experience as me! I dropped my temp as low as I could and still didn't work.I got some oil slick wrap in today to try.
I had issues with the foil sticking to my jaws after the press and I can see oil embedded in the paper also.
It is a 50 ft roll for for $25 compared to my regular parchment in a 30 ft for $3
The top press was at 210f and the bottom was at 220f. I quit after that.
I am literally only needing a standard hydraulic press and SAFE COLLECTION MATERIAL to be squishing as much as I like in as much volume as I could ever need. I am holding off on the hydraulic press since The currently available collection products I do not trust with hydraulic metric tons of pressure when squishing buds. Slick wrap would be fucking disastrous for squishing with this much weight, given the mess it has made with your vice tek and my straightener tek.
I am dabbing so much flower rosin atm, rehydrated my latest cluster bomb nugs (much more mature than the last lot and truly, honestly outstanding work!) by wrapping a wet (purified water) little bit of coffee filter softly in teflon and leaving this in the bottom of the jar (no direct contact of moisture with nugs). These nugs smell like orange, and a creamy, nutty smell. Beautiful mix of sweet and savory, the creaminess is especially pronounced in bubble hash from this material and when squished, makes for an absolutely stellar flavor! I still do prefer bubble rosin from the higher grade bags to flower rosin. Much higher yields and the creaminess is ultra pronounced. lol I'm cream obsessed.
I gotta give dry ice hash a shot actually, seems a hell of a lot less messy than bubble and I can use my bags
Loving getting into hash making!Definitely bro, it is the pressure and heat together that makes the foil stick to the heater and seems to facilitate the melting to the slick wrap. I will report back that squishing bubble rosin in slick wrap using the same heat and tek left no squish marks in the middle of the parchment at all. Slick wrap seems safe for bubble, but nugs being much thicker and taking much harder squishing (also having more solid plant matter in them) seems to be no dice.
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@Joel W. @herbivore21
I didn't want to post this until I had a chance to try it out, but I think it will be the best bet as far as plastic sheeting goes (and offer a great view of the press).
Kapton - it has a tensile modulus (resistance to stretching) of almost 300,000psi at 392°F (compare to teflon @ 80,000psi), remains stable up to 750F, and is used to shield space craft. It should be the safest plastic as well- Dupont claims "there are no known organic solvents for the film."
I didn't want to post this until I had a chance to try it out, but I think it will be the best bet as far as plastic sheeting goes (and offer a great view of the press).
Kapton - it has a tensile modulus (resistance to stretching) of almost 300,000psi at 392°F (compare to teflon @ 80,000psi), remains stable up to 750F, and is used to shield space craft. It should be the safest plastic as well- Dupont claims "there are no known organic solvents for the film."
herbivore21
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Is it a non-stick material as well? If so, this sounds fantastic! Man I wanna check that out!
There's only one way to find out, but I imagine it's at least as resistant to sticking as silicone. I'm excited to try it out myself. I hope it will be durable enough to stand up to long term use.
2clicker
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what product are you talking about?
also, what do you all know about how well of a thermal conductor JB Weld is. or is it more of an insulator? i ask because my current plans for plates involve square holes that are 1/4"... and my round cart heaters are 1/4"... so there will be void in each corner. i was planning on filling this void with JBW, but i dont want to introduce an insulator in there. i want conduction. is there another material i could use to secure the heaters in a square hole that would conduct heat better?
or should i use thicker plate material and drill a 1/4" hole into them?
or should i be talking to Joel about some nickel/copper plates?
hmmmmmmm
Kapton Polyimide sheets
same stuff the inhalator polyimide capsules were made of.
ive used it as a loading pill in a vape once... cant say it was nonstick really... but it also wasn't under pressure in a vise.
kapton adheres readily to abs apparently so its used as build surface in 3d printing....
but heres the kicker for me...
Kapton insulation ages poorly: an FAA study shows degradation in under 100 hours in a hot, humid environment.[6] It was found to have very poor resistance to mechanical wear, mainly abrasion within cable harnesses due to aircraft movement. Many aircraft models have had to undergo extensive rewiring modifications--sometimes completely replacing all the Kapton-insulated wiring--because of short circuits caused by the faulty insulation. Kapton-wire degradation and chafing due to vibration and heat has been implicated in multiple crashes of both fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft, with loss of life.[7]
edit: @2clicker the jb weld that I filled the back of my plates with transfer heat into my vise until eventually the whole things to hot to touch without oven mits, but I have not other insulation between my jbwelded plates and the vise. just making the point that jb well will conduct the heat just fine. but rather than fix that heater into place, just shim it in place with aluminum foil. that way you can replace the heater cartridge should the need occur.
same stuff the inhalator polyimide capsules were made of.
ive used it as a loading pill in a vape once... cant say it was nonstick really... but it also wasn't under pressure in a vise.
kapton adheres readily to abs apparently so its used as build surface in 3d printing....
but heres the kicker for me...
Kapton insulation ages poorly: an FAA study shows degradation in under 100 hours in a hot, humid environment.[6] It was found to have very poor resistance to mechanical wear, mainly abrasion within cable harnesses due to aircraft movement. Many aircraft models have had to undergo extensive rewiring modifications--sometimes completely replacing all the Kapton-insulated wiring--because of short circuits caused by the faulty insulation. Kapton-wire degradation and chafing due to vibration and heat has been implicated in multiple crashes of both fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft, with loss of life.[7]
edit: @2clicker the jb weld that I filled the back of my plates with transfer heat into my vise until eventually the whole things to hot to touch without oven mits, but I have not other insulation between my jbwelded plates and the vise. just making the point that jb well will conduct the heat just fine. but rather than fix that heater into place, just shim it in place with aluminum foil. that way you can replace the heater cartridge should the need occur.
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I was referring to the Kapton film I linked to in my previous post.
As for your jbweld question, there are many thermally conductive potting compounds and epoxies, but I don't know much about them. Experiment- it's the best way to find a solution for your specific situation. And if you do need to have a set of blocks made, you won't go wrong with @Joel W.
@farscaper
I believe kapton film is used in 3d printing because it offers better adhesion than a bare glass bed, but when flexed it readily releases the printed part.
Mechanical wear in the form of abrasion due to friction or repeated creasing and stretching can cause short circuits when the smallest pinpoint of material wears out of spec, but that's only a dangerous failure when the material is being used as an electrical insulator. I don't think that concern is an impediment to our use, which only requires the film being occasionally exposed to heat, moisture, and pressure.
100 hours of exposure to extremes before degradation may not sound like a lot- but if I press a full minute every time, and only get 50 hours of use out of a sheet, that's still 3000 presses which is a lot better than anything else I have access to.
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1000 hours of exposure extremes for "insulating purposes" but what happens when you intentionally expose it to heat and excessive pressure?
all im saying is it could work, but in the experience I had with it. once creased it only takes a couple more bends and it snaps in two. its not nearly as durable in real life under stress as it sounds in words.
ive only had experience with it in making vapor capsules and abandoned the idea. it was not my own idea either I just continued the work myself. I didnt like it.
thats my
and opinion on plastics for the day.
btw fun fact. duponts plastics and hemp products were in direct competition to rule what the world makes everything out of...
guess who won?
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/06/27/the-hemp-conspiracy-why-u-s-hemp-farming-was-banned/
really all cannabis enthusiasts should hate companies like dupont. they kinda fucked us.
not that that matters these days.
all im saying is it could work, but in the experience I had with it. once creased it only takes a couple more bends and it snaps in two. its not nearly as durable in real life under stress as it sounds in words.
ive only had experience with it in making vapor capsules and abandoned the idea. it was not my own idea either I just continued the work myself. I didnt like it.
thats my
and opinion on plastics for the day.btw fun fact. duponts plastics and hemp products were in direct competition to rule what the world makes everything out of...
guess who won?
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2012/06/27/the-hemp-conspiracy-why-u-s-hemp-farming-was-banned/
really all cannabis enthusiasts should hate companies like dupont. they kinda fucked us.
not that that matters these days.
I don't think there is a consensus on an ideal hair iron yet other than looking for one that goes low temp and one with the thicker aluminum plates, I personally have not seen both in one hair iron although I think @2clicker posted one that went to 200f or so a few pages back that looked interesting.
I'd suggest a few goodwill/second hand irons with aluminum plates, a meat thermometer and just turn off and on when at temp if it's not a low temp model to test.
Yields are something i think you need to try and see for yourself. It works with enough pressure..
@farscaper
I'm familiar with that history. It is a shame how much technology we've lost out on for almost a century now.
I would prefer to use sustainably sourced materials if they were available, unfortunately the best available technology is based on dinosaur juice. I prefer to support small businesses whenever possible, but will patronize a large corporation if that's what it takes to get the best tool for the job.
I'm familiar with that history. It is a shame how much technology we've lost out on for almost a century now.
I would prefer to use sustainably sourced materials if they were available, unfortunately the best available technology is based on dinosaur juice. I prefer to support small businesses whenever possible, but will patronize a large corporation if that's what it takes to get the best tool for the job.
2clicker
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ha! love the foil idea.
gotcha. not sure how i missed that. carry on.
BoogerMan
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@herbivore21 @Monsoon any news on Facebook or elsewhere about the d-nail heat press delay? I haven't heard anything since the Sept 1st email about the delay. Thanks!
Monsoon
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Haven't heard anything, but this page has the most up to date info:
http://www.d-nail.com/info/news/heat-press-update-shipping-timeframe/
BoogerMan
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Thanks for the link!
Awesome I am definitely in batch one. I think I was 13th to order. Hopefully that doesn't jinx anything
My b day is at the end of the month so if I get it before then it will be like an early b day present. Woot
Monsoon
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If I read one of the comments correctly, they might start shipping within the next week. That would match their timeline so they should be on track. They're going to be using the first presses as base models for upgrades so as they figure shit out themselves, current owners will be able to upgrade their machines as well.Thanks for the link!
Awesome I am definitely in batch one. I think I was 13th to order. Hopefully that doesn't jinx anything
My b day is at the end of the month so if I get it before then it will be like an early b day present. Woot
D-Nail is beta testing a new parchment alternative film that is rated for up to 5000 psi and 500 degrees without loosing 1 drop of cannabinoids or terpenes during the process. Water and oils bead up on it like GoreTex which should make collection easy with zero losses. Once they deem it to be safe for rosin production they'll release all the details. It's sounding like it could be a SlickSheet killer for oil production when it's released.
herbivore21
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This.
I've been busy working (on the weekend, again.
) but my man has the relevant info covered here! I sure do hope this new alternative comes out soon! I am looking forward to checking it out!