Discontinued herbalAire
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StormyPinkness
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I figured, it was just funny the way it posted at first. I think until I saw you post about it in the thread awhile ago I had no idea the screen in the crucible was movable. I'm going to try this with one of my extra crucibles.
I was curious if you had ever tried the ceramic discs @421 has posted about a couple of times? You and he have really made me start wondering if it's swirling around in there when I'm inhaling.
Also I'm surprised that stuff is only 16%. I would have guessed way higher, it looks nice. I tend to only buy from places that have it tested though. I don't have the eye (or nose) for it, I need the numbers.
mikek9
Vapor Enthusiast
I'm interested as to what kind of results you'll get if you follow my method compared to your own. I have spoken about it before in the thread, but felt inspired to make a play by play with some photos today to really show what I mean.
I have never tried the ceramic discs @421 has spoken about before, but have been curious about them. I just have to order a pack and try them out I guess. I just honestly have never felt a need to improve upon my current experience because it's already so good. I believe 421 uses them with the TonG and not sure if they use it with the pump, maybe they can chime in and clarify. If I were to use them, I would load a standard crucible and then drop them in on top to hold my load down and keep it from scattering around in the chamber when the pump is on.
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mikek9
Vapor Enthusiast
How I Use My herbalAire:
I wanted to share with you guys how I use my herbalAire H2.2. I have experimented with many different ways and found that this method seemed to produce the cloudiest bags most consistently with as little material as possible. I find that it produces thicker bags at the very start and then gradually decreases in density. I am all about being as efficient with my herb as possible and like to get the most out of it. I like to try and get the medicinal effects from as little herb as possible. I find with my method you can get 1 cloudy bag with as little of 0.10 of good quality cannabis. If you used 0.20 you'll get 2 cloudy bags. For this purpose I used 0.25g of standardized medicinal cannabis - the strain was Chocolope for anyone interested. It is 16.29% THC so not anything crazy potent, but it does have a good coating of trichomes which usually leads to thicker bags of vapour. This is going to be a long post, but I'll include a description above each picture. Enjoy.
1. Take your cannabis - 0.25g pictured
2. Chop it up with scissors or your hands to break it down. You don't need to grind the material, just break it down enough that you can spread it across the screen in the crucible.
3. Take the crucible and break away the screen from the bottom. Just turn it upside down and push with your finger until it breaks free. Push it about 5/8 of the way down. It should stay in place. See the pictures below for an example of how it looks.
Right side Up
Upside Down
4. Take you material and start to pack the open end of the crucible. You want to try to evenly pack the material and spread it across the screen. Then compress it down and create a little disc. It sometimes helps to put a pinky finger in the bottom of the crucible while you pack it tightly to prevent the screen from dislodging.
As you are packing it
After is has been compressed
5. Insert the crucible upside down inside the herbalAire. Because you packed it down you don't have to worry about little bits coming lose and falling through the air holes. If you grind the material before packing it this becomes a bit of a problem, so I don't recommend grinding the material. You'll see in the picture it is placed in my unit upside down.
6. Put the top on and place your bag and start pumping. What I find is that you don't need to leave the material in the herbalAire to preheat or anything. This is simply a place it and go procedure with no waiting time in between. I know sometimes people will leave the material inside their units to let it heat up throughout before turning on the pump, but in this case I suggest just turning on the pump right away once you place it in.
You'll see in the next series of pictures some before and after filled shots with a butane can held behind the bag to give you guys a measure of the density of the vapour in the bags. I also did this at 365. I got 2 really dense bags and 1 bag of half the density, but still satisfying and worthwhile to use.
Just as it is turned on. You'll see the vapour isn't incredibly dense at the start, but it starts to thicken up as the first bag is filled. You'll see the filled pictures of the first bag and it is cloudy like it was filled with smoke. It is all tasty vapour.
Almost Filled
Filled
Butane Can For Measure
Just a follow up to my other post about how I use the herbalAire H2.2. I don't want to suggest to anyone that my way is the only way to get good results from small amounts. There are a variety of ways to use the herbalAire. I use it a variety of different ways and it is all about what you want to achieve with the device. Some people like a vapour that is not incredibly dense because it can be irritating for them. Others like their bags to look like they are filled with milk. I have a preference which is entirely subjective to my own experience so it doesn't mean you will find the same results. I am curious about how others have modified their methods of users like @421 's ceramic discs and etc.
Some ways you can use it are how the manufacturer suggests in the manual, to just drop a piece in the crucible and place it in the unit. You can even grind the material, but I don't recommend this because it gets really messy, but you certainly get cloudy bags. It really seems no matter how you load the herbalAire you get a complete extraction. Some people also use an extra screen on top to hold their load down to keep it from bouncing around. I found the manufacturer's directions to get the most consistently dark ABV. I followed them and snapped a photo below to show how dark and evenly extracted the piece gets.
As well, about temperature, many people use it at 400 and are happier with that setting. It will certainly give you a full extraction and even faster at 400 also getting even cloudier bags. I personally use it around 350-365 depending on the material because I like to thin out the vapour slightly with the material I am using. It is all about preference. Some people want a very thin vapour and again this can be achieved by lowering the temperature.
Going back to the manufacturer's directions which are to just place a whole nug in I decided to experiment with that and share my results with you guys. Now I think about it, I should of done a before and after, but it's too late now.
This was a 0.27g bud that was just placed in the crucible as per the manufacturer's instructions. I preheated the unit to 360 and dropped it in. I ran 2 bags and then turned the temp up to 380. The interesting thing is how dark and well extracted the sample is. Even my method doesn't yield the same dark ABV as this method does.
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StormyPinkness
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I've recently started tearing it into chunks to plug the bottom of the crucible instead of just putting whole buds in. In my opinion that gives me a little bit bigger clouds and more importantly vapes a bit quicker when I need it, but I can definitely say that doesn't lead to better extraction for me. The way it extracts from whole buds is magic.Just a follow up to my other post about how I use the herbalAire H2.2. I don't want to suggest to anyone that my way is the only way to get good results from small amounts. There are a variety of ways to use the herbalAire. I use it a variety of different ways and it is all about what you want to achieve with the device. Some people like a vapour that is not incredibly dense because it can be irritating for them. Others like their bags to look like they are filled with milk. I have a preference which is entirely subjective to my own experience so it doesn't mean you will find the same results. I am curious about how others have modified their methods of users like @421 's ceramic discs and etc.
Some ways you can use it are how the manufacturer suggests in the manual, to just drop a piece in the crucible and place it in the unit. You can even grind the material, but I don't recommend this because it gets really messy, but you certainly get cloudy bags. It really seems no matter how you load the herbalAire you get a complete extraction. Some people also use an extra screen on top to hold their load down to keep it from bouncing around. I found the manufacturer's directions to get the most consistently dark ABV. I followed them and snapped a photo below to show how dark and evenly extracted the piece gets.
As well, about temperature, many people use it at 400 and are happier with that setting. It will certainly give you a full extraction and even faster at 400 also getting even cloudier bags. I personally use it around 350-365 depending on the material because I like to thin out the vapour slightly with the material I am using. It is all about preference. Some people want a very thin vapour and again this can be achieved by lowering the temperature.
Going back to the manufacturer's directions which are to just place a whole nug in I decided to experiment with that and share my results with you guys. Now I think about it, I should of done a before and after, but it's too late now.
This was a 0.27g bud that was just placed in the crucible as per the manufacturer's instructions. I preheated the unit to 360 and dropped it in. I ran 2 bags and then turned the temp up to 380. The interesting thing is how dark and well extracted the sample is. Even my method doesn't yield the same dark ABV as this method does.
You've inspired me to do a bunch of testing this weekend and compare whole bud to chunked bud abv. For science!
421
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I think the ceramic discs would work great for that application as well. You could put the discs in a crucible too, it just barely fits. Not sure a single disc on top in standard cruc setup would keep it all in place, I tend to use my discs with the TonG so that everything fits snugly (load usually compresses down a bit). 2 discs would probably do it.
Yeah I think with a ceramic disc in the mix, like on top of the load, you would get a darker extraction, like in your new post with the single small bud run in the unit. The disc just really helps the heat as ceramic is a pretty good holder of heat.
Definitely I'd recommend trying it out, there's so many different setups you can do with the discs (heck I've even done 8 discs with 7 discs on bottom, and 1 disc on top, putting the load at the top of the chamber, interesting stuff). Playing around with diff setups on the HA is very fun in itself, at least for me
Right now I'm using an e-nano basket screen on bottom as a convection spacer, two fine steel screens on top of that (from my DBV days, they fit perfectly), then the load, then another steel screen, and then a ceramic disc to cap it. Giving me very good results. I would probably use two discs in this setup, one for the bottom, but I really need to clean my discs. Clogged up discs seem to affect visible vapor production, tho extraction is still good.Oh on the topic of fun setups to try out, don't think I've mentioned this before (but I think others have): flipping the cruc upside down and placing load on top of the cruc, this gives a really convective experience that is interesting. Only fits a small amount of material though.
So this vape has sprung up on my radar again after I lost interest for some reason... is it a good idea to add this to my collection if I am already rockin an arizer EQ? Time to start reading and re-reading the thread.. can barely even remember my posts.
Before I was leaning toward the Elite more, but now i'm thinking not worth the extra cost? The HA is a steal and barely more expensive than a Solo!
Before I was leaning toward the Elite more, but now i'm thinking not worth the extra cost? The HA is a steal and barely more expensive than a Solo!
The 'lid' of my Herbalaire fell off 
I was probably too rough and took the 'indestructible' reputation a bit too far.
Does anyone know what type of glue can fix this? Probably goes without saying, but it needs to be glue that won't release toxic fumes or melt. I have some epoxy glue and superglue, but I'm a bit concerned about using these. The unit does get quite warm in the area I'd be using the glue.
Or is there another way to fix this without glue??
I was probably too rough and took the 'indestructible' reputation a bit too far.
Does anyone know what type of glue can fix this? Probably goes without saying, but it needs to be glue that won't release toxic fumes or melt. I have some epoxy glue and superglue, but I'm a bit concerned about using these. The unit does get quite warm in the area I'd be using the glue.
Or is there another way to fix this without glue??
*plainlazy*
Well-Known Member
Hey guys been absent from this thread for ages. Sold my h2.2 to get an elite and then sold that. Missing them. Might have to get a h2.2 again. These are great vapes. Glad to see the thread still going. Ill have to pick up where i left off and see whats new, techniques etc.
Lost the crucible, didn't care... Now knowing you can move the screen im a little upset! Although in the HA defence it certainly doesn't do poorly with small amounts to the point where you "have" to fill it, but a smaller area is obviously going to be better, and helps cut down on consumption.
Edit to clarify, by smaller area being better I mean for loading small amounts and getting decent clouds. The HA has changed my perception on vapor cloud size and medication. Seems to me if you load a small ammount in the large oven you get whispier hits but seemingly just as medicated. My guess is more air ratio, I don't prefer it but it certainly works! Something so scientific and clinical about how the HA performs. Not a daily driver lately but still worth every penny.
Edit to clarify, by smaller area being better I mean for loading small amounts and getting decent clouds. The HA has changed my perception on vapor cloud size and medication. Seems to me if you load a small ammount in the large oven you get whispier hits but seemingly just as medicated. My guess is more air ratio, I don't prefer it but it certainly works! Something so scientific and clinical about how the HA performs. Not a daily driver lately but still worth every penny.
421
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I've been using the HA lately with a combination of bud and oil with great results. I feel like the HA is uniquely amazing for low temp dabs:
-Can use bud with oil with zero worry that the bud will get over-roasted and burnt
-Bud provides the perfect bed this way for oil, keeps the oil soaked in the bud inside the chamber, and easier to clean up
-No stir factor means you can just keep pulling and pulling on it... combine this with lower effective vaporizing temp of HA and a bit of bud and oil will last for a very long time and give a nice chill dab session
My setup for this is to use a nano basket screen as a spacer on bottom, then a ceramic disc, then two steel screens (these are essential imo for keeping the discs cleaner and keeping the oil/bud mess all in one spot), then the bud/oil combo, then another two steel screens, and another ceramic disc to top it off. Because I'm using little amounts, I use the TonG and slightly mush it all together (don't force TonG in though if it won't fit, will damage the discs and such).
I know the concentrate crucibles that herbalAire now provides will give a similar experience, per some reviews earlier. Bud + oil is really great in its own right, especially with how well it works because of how the HA works... hypothetically bud + oil might be the best way to go since the oil residues stay in the bud instead of dirtying up the chamber or a cruc, the bud is disposable... only thing to clean are the steel screens, which the two inner ones do get gunked quite good after one session, I put a fresh couple in every time I do this and then soak the others.
Anyone looking for a cool HA accessory that will change the experience up... check out the VB ceramic discs Very fun to try all the different setups... they can be used to shorten up the HA chamber and definitely can be used for smaller amounts. 1 on bottom, small amount of bud, and 3-4 on top + TonG will allow one to vape small amounts in the HA no problem.
One word of warning with the discs though, they do get extremely hot! The ceramic holds in the heat so well. Be very careful if opening up the HA when still hot... I did this yesterday and the disc on top stuck to the TonG because of the oil stickiness and then the disc flew out off the TonG when I pulled it out and then latched onto my thumb while being VERY hot! Have a small HA love bubble on my thumb now
This is a really interesting pic, thanks. It would be really easy to clean the chamber this way, although yeah probably don't want to have to open up the top to do it, hehe.
-Can use bud with oil with zero worry that the bud will get over-roasted and burnt
-Bud provides the perfect bed this way for oil, keeps the oil soaked in the bud inside the chamber, and easier to clean up
-No stir factor means you can just keep pulling and pulling on it... combine this with lower effective vaporizing temp of HA and a bit of bud and oil will last for a very long time and give a nice chill dab session
My setup for this is to use a nano basket screen as a spacer on bottom, then a ceramic disc, then two steel screens (these are essential imo for keeping the discs cleaner and keeping the oil/bud mess all in one spot), then the bud/oil combo, then another two steel screens, and another ceramic disc to top it off. Because I'm using little amounts, I use the TonG and slightly mush it all together (don't force TonG in though if it won't fit, will damage the discs and such).
I know the concentrate crucibles that herbalAire now provides will give a similar experience, per some reviews earlier. Bud + oil is really great in its own right, especially with how well it works because of how the HA works... hypothetically bud + oil might be the best way to go since the oil residues stay in the bud instead of dirtying up the chamber or a cruc, the bud is disposable... only thing to clean are the steel screens, which the two inner ones do get gunked quite good after one session, I put a fresh couple in every time I do this and then soak the others.
Anyone looking for a cool HA accessory that will change the experience up... check out the VB ceramic discs
Very fun to try all the different setups... they can be used to shorten up the HA chamber and definitely can be used for smaller amounts. 1 on bottom, small amount of bud, and 3-4 on top + TonG will allow one to vape small amounts in the HA no problem.One word of warning with the discs though, they do get extremely hot! The ceramic holds in the heat so well. Be very careful if opening up the HA when still hot... I did this yesterday and the disc on top stuck to the TonG because of the oil stickiness and then the disc flew out off the TonG when I pulled it out and then latched onto my thumb while being VERY hot! Have a small HA love bubble on my thumb now
There was also some insulation material inside that I removed for the photo.
This is a really interesting pic, thanks. It would be really easy to clean the chamber this way, although yeah probably don't want to have to open up the top to do it, hehe.
StormyPinkness
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@bleak I would definitely email them about it, I think @herbalaire posts on here sometimes, but pretty rarely (3 times). I have no advice on glue unfortunately, but does it still work? I guess the standard mp might tip out easier, but the tong would stay in there securely. Once it got hot it would actually hold the lid on too. I mean it should still run ok without the lid I would think. As long as crap doesn't get in there, not to suggest you should fix the lid. Also thanks for that picture, I've always wondered and that is not at all what I imagined. I'm still wondering if the airpath is a 45 degree angle. I got wax down the crucible airpath which came out the bottom hole, but I'm always wondering if there is more still in there. Cooking.
@421 that sound great. I'm going to try wax on bud in the concentrate crucible for extra protection since I already have them. Cover the screen in chunks and then lay a nice blanket of wax over it.
@421 that sound great. I'm going to try wax on bud in the concentrate crucible for extra protection since I already have them. Cover the screen in chunks and then lay a nice blanket of wax over it.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
I have some concentrates...was thinking about running them through this as I was curious...how much dirtier do they tend to make the bags? Gonna do a bud sandwich like suggested or a bud canvas
421
Well-Known Member
I have some concentrates...was thinking about running them through this as I was curious...how much dirtier do they tend to make the bags? Gonna do a bud sandwich like suggested or a bud canvas
Hopefully they don't make the bags much dirtier... not sure though as I do direct draw with a glass MP, for me most of the mess is in the chamber. Sometimes I get some reclaim on top of the TonG when I use it upside down in a piece.
Very cool. Speaking of the concentrate crucible, I know a friend on here uses it with ground up bud packed tight, and it gives them nice thicker hits. Just another cool way to use the concentrate cruc, I believe it will give a much more convective vape this way with the ground up bud sitting higher up suspended.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
Update, unground .5ish no crucible straight too 400 and a few whip hits first. Through a 12inch beaker, much nicer then I orginially gave it credit for. Takes a few hits to warm up, can't get hits anywhere near as big as the hammer but it's much more hassle free, don't burn and you really do get a lot of hits from .5 and has really impressed a couple tobacco/weed mixing bong smoking mate. They also both liked the hammer but also both combusted. When it's 6am and you're still up when you probably shouldn't be, the hammer/bong set up and continually changing bowls is a nightmare on those occasions you have been left in the oven and you're a little cooked.
Put anything over half a gram and 3 heavy smokers can get pretty nice, and plenty of hits each. Certainly more then you get combusting, and the visible vapor really helps with noob vaporists too.
Put anything over half a gram and 3 heavy smokers can get pretty nice, and plenty of hits each. Certainly more then you get combusting, and the visible vapor really helps with noob vaporists too.
EVlL 55
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..hello everone..
...after a couple weeks putting the HA thru differant set ups w/ water and whatnot iv found w/ the tong..a HT works very,very well...there is that notion that the tong might come out,..I know..but it doesn't budge...I actually feel more comfortable dropping it on the tong than the evos 18mm glass joint..
....great vape..it's on point all the time,..I truly believe if they thickened the cord,and redesigned the body that this could easily be an upper tier vape..
...although I do admit Its underrated status is very attractive.
unless I'm using it stationary with the whip or bags.
EVlL 55
Well-Known Member
...I guess slinky is a better word for the cord...
...cords always seems to be a pain...
...I have a epicvape ev2...the cord is sheethed w/ fabric I'm guessing,..but it's always under control.
....I guess what I meant was if the HA were to,..not that it needs to...but if it were to have a upgraded cord,knob and body...it would sit at the top of the vape food chain...it would also command more $$$ tho.
One of the biggest turn ons of the HA to me was it's price...I never tried one and at 150$ i kinda said screw it...I'll give it a shot...and it paid off large...
Iv done that method w/ the evo,..the plenty,..the a. air..and the firefly...
...and I personally think those were mistakes to an extent..largely due they're cost vs. production...
..especially since the 2 ports I purchased @$250 a piece.
I do think the HA is that good...I just think it sells itself short kinda...if that makes sense.
...cords always seems to be a pain...
...I have a epicvape ev2...the cord is sheethed w/ fabric I'm guessing,..but it's always under control.
....I guess what I meant was if the HA were to,..not that it needs to...but if it were to have a upgraded cord,knob and body...it would sit at the top of the vape food chain...it would also command more $$$ tho.
One of the biggest turn ons of the HA to me was it's price...I never tried one and at 150$ i kinda said screw it...I'll give it a shot...and it paid off large...
Iv done that method w/ the evo,..the plenty,..the a. air..and the firefly...
...and I personally think those were mistakes to an extent..largely due they're cost vs. production...
..especially since the 2 ports I purchased @$250 a piece.
I do think the HA is that good...I just think it sells itself short kinda...if that makes sense.
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
It's kinda funny my EV 2 has a supper rigid thick cord on it that still always tries to form the little coils from when it was wrapped around the vape, compared to it my HA is pretty supple. Still love both of 'em.
I agree The HA is a pretty amazing value for $150, sure suits my using habits better then most portables these days.
I agree The HA is a pretty amazing value for $150, sure suits my using habits better then most portables these days.