What is considered heavy smoking?

Hashtag46&2 · Sep 29, 2015

Subjectivity and Semantics seem to be playing out here.

I can not speak for @lwien , but I'm fairly sure that I've read posts by him stating that his typical load is 0.025 in his EQ Basket every night.

Myself, use 0.075- 0.1 (Rarely 0.2- 0.3) every single night.

So, at an average of 0.05 daily between two different Vaporists, just because it's a daily routine; this is "Heavy Usage"?

In my case the subjective nature lies within a medical necessity to get Cannabinoids into my bloodstream in order for me to get a solid night of sleep.

I do not perceive Cannabis as a drug though... More like a supplement, there is a very valid reason why the Human Body is readily equipped with the Endo-Cannabinoid system.

Cannabinoids can most certainly act as a Vitamin or Supplement.

So, take your Vitamins FC!

I'm actually starting to get more meticulous about the exact weight of every single load the further I progress as an exclusive Vaporist.

Really starting to see how much cannabis I used to waste when combusting.
It's absolutely nothing short of astonishing.

Even when I was rolling 2+ gram joints for my bedtime needs, I still can't see that as heavy usage, as it was still just one session per day, with an intentional purpose.

alittledabwilldoya' · Sep 29, 2015

I consider myself a heavy user.

I just made the switch two months ago from smoking flower to vaping concentrate.
I didn't strictly track my intake when I was smoking flower, but I would typically smoke ~ 2 oz. / month (~2g / day)
Since switching to vaping concentrate I have been tracking cash outlay and concentrate intake.
I'm using ~ .5g /day in wax.

Clearly, still a heavy user.
But I do find the quality of the high when vaping wax to much better and more functional, than when smoking flower.
Lungs feel much cleaner.
Taste is much better.

And I'm saving ~$50 / month.

CarolKing · Sep 29, 2015

Using cannabis even a small amount every day would be considered heavy usage by society. On FC we would have different standards. :2c:

Joel W. · Sep 29, 2015

Wake and bake starts about 4am for me and continues during the day until bedtime at 9pm, if I am lucky.

I have gone through about 10oz in the last 6 months between vaping and making rosin.

It's a new personal record.. I prefer only judges and or a jury of my peers, judge me.

lwien · Sep 29, 2015

CarolKing said:
Using cannabis even a small amount every day would be considered heavy usage by society.

Half of all Americans do not believe that Judaism came before Christianity. Also, half of all Americans believe that the Earth was created 6 to 10,000 years ago and 54% of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim so for me, it's almost a safe bet NOT to believe what society believes, eh?

EverythingsHazy · Sep 29, 2015

lwien said:
Half of all Americans do not believe that Judaism came before Christianity. Also, half of all Americans believe that the Earth was created 6 to 10,000 years ago and 54% of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim so for me, it's almost a safe bet NOT to believe what society believes, eh?

Don't you just love when people don't "believe" facts? You can believe whatever you want about the unknown, but when something is known and you choose to ignore it, you are just ignorant.

lwien · Sep 29, 2015

They ignore it because it challenges their belief in the unknown. :uhoh:

.......... :doh:

Well said, EtH.

Tommy10 · Sep 30, 2015

Yea, I would consider at least 90% daily use to be the bench mark for most stoners. Most stoners I know will smoke unless out or on a t break. I'll smoke when I'm not working or driving; when working away I typically do 12+ hour days but will vape in the morning and then rip it into overdrive after work. Some people like to keep it for the weekends as it preserves the recreational value. I find 13 hours off during the day to help with tolerance. Went home for 9 days and went through an OZ and a half because I was not working, car didn't leave the drive way and partying on the weekend always has to involve a lot of herb come the bender ender.
The thing I find is just go with what you feel, I used to pace myself as I didn't want to be seen as a "pot head" but like others have said smoke it once or twice every day or two and most of society will say that anyways, stay true to yourself and body, give it the medicine it needs!

bella · Sep 30, 2015

Interesting question. I combusted 2+ grams every day and now i vape 0.3 - 0.4 grams every day.
I was very happy to be using so little, but it seems i am still a heavy user, lol.
For me, using heavily is ok. It's when i use too heavily that it's not okay. This 'too heavy' level of use varies with each person.

archangelz001 · Oct 1, 2015

I vape a total of 0.05gm per day in two sessions. The first in the mid-evening with Sativa and the second in the late evening with Indica. Vaping, especially with the MFLB, but also with several Flowermates, is incredibly efficient use of the herb. My son has a Pax and a Plenty and both require loading of more material. He and his fiancé go through a gram/day total.

howie105 · Oct 1, 2015

I am currently experimenting with small amounts (.02g-.04g) consumed two to three times a day. Under some definitions multiple sessions a day would make me a heavy user but by another measure the small overall daily amount means I am not a heavy user. I guess it is whatever we wish to call our usage level.

TeeJay1952 · Oct 2, 2015

It is sort of like how skinny people are sometimes obsessed with food.
If you grow, know a grower, have a steady connect or dispensaries you don't have to "count so much". ( or if you are rich)
The variation in strains make being a user a circus. So much to try and compare. I find it is easier to count my uninfused hours (daily, between sleep and before chores) {with occasional exceptions} than monitoring my usage. This is not to promote growing. This is an attempt to explain that not everyone is obsessed with counting grams.

1DMF · Oct 2, 2015

>> What is considered heavy smoking?

40+ fags a day?

I'm Ron Burgundy? · Oct 2, 2015

I don't get how some of you are getting medicated off .02-.03 bowls.
Maybe my LSV is not efficient but my sessions usually are .2-.3, which for me equates to about 3-4 bowls using the WPA and bong.
Sorry if off topic-
I'd say for non-smokers everyday would seem like heavy usage. But for people who smoke/vape to treat a medical ailment, everyday usage is not heavy. Subjective.

RUDE BOY · Oct 2, 2015

I'm Ron Burgundy? said:
I don't get how some of you are getting medicated off .02-.03 bowls.

To be Honest I always thought people were kinda bull-shittin' a bit when they talked about doing such small loads until I got an Underdog and used the tiny ss bowl that fit inside the heater core, now I too have cut down from using 1 1/2 - 2 oz's a month to just over half an oz.

For me though the proof is how I feel a half hour or so after I finish vaping and somehow Two of those small log vape style bowls get me to the same place in that time as 0.30 in my EV2 or HA. Kind of eye opening to me that I was overdoing it with my other vapes all this time even though with them it seemed I was using so much less product then when smoking.

I've found my tools(vapes+bowls) do make a big difference in efficiency of my use, or at least my perception of how much I need to use per session.

(still in many of my other vapes i actually get the same results from those small loads if I do 'em then wait the half hour But the process is much less satisfying somehow. :shrug:

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archangelz001 · Oct 2, 2015

I'm Ron Burgundy? said:
I don't get how some of you are getting medicated off .02-.03 bowls.
Maybe my LSV is not efficient but my sessions usually are .2-.3, which for me equates to about 3-4 bowls using the WPA and bong.
Sorry if off topic-
I'd say for non-smokers everyday would seem like heavy usage. But for people who smoke/vape to treat a medical ailment, everyday usage is not heavy. Subjective.

Micro dosing to effect keeps my tolerance down. Since I medicate every day, and my wife doesn't at all, I like to be elevated but not stoned. Personally, I think recreational users consume much more than necessary and actually waste herb.

Joel W. · Oct 2, 2015

I had a huge stash until I got my LSV and I cooked through it all rather quickly. Now that I am down to the last few jars, I need to put the LSV away for a bit and stick with the conservative UD small stems until harvest comes in.

Both get me where I need to be but man can I go through herb quick with the LSV, if I don't pay attention.

I'm Ron Burgundy? · Oct 2, 2015

Good info guys, thanks. My tolerance is fairly high and like @Joel W. said, it's easy to go through herb with the LSV if you're not careful.
My next vape will be a quality portable with better efficiency.
Maybe I'll experiment for now and try smaller bowls.

In all honesty I feel I go through only slightly less bud compared to when I used to combust.

Hashtag46&2 · Oct 2, 2015

I'm Ron Burgundy? said:
Good info guys, thanks. My tolerance is fairly high and like @Joel W. said, it's easy to go through herb with the LSV if you're not careful.
My next vape will be a quality portable with better efficiency.
Maybe I'll experiment for now and try smaller bowls.

In all honestly I feel I go through only slightly less bud compared to when I used to combust.

Much like the LSV, the DBV can eat up some herb on the quick...

Last night I tried something a little new...

As opposed to my typical load of 0.1 of Herb with a layer of hash, then add just enough more herb to cover the hash...

I loaded 0.1, no hash yet..

Started my herb only session at 12 o'clock for three draws, bumped to 1 o'clock for 3 more and 2 o'clock for the last couple hits..

I was already HAF from the flowers, but I gotta get some Bubble in me to reach optimum altitude, so...

Then I added my hash on top of the ABV... Maybe a Large Dabs worth.

Draw.....

Whoa

!!!!!!! Super tasty hit after hit, unbelievable smooth billowing clouds of vapor.

Nothing but pure hash bliss, didn't taste the popcorn taste that I usually get when I combine the fresh herb and hash simultaneously.

I've also found that the method in which I exhale the vapor is a surprisingly very important factor..
The exhale, inhale, exhale method of vapor definitely makes a difference.

I'm still fascinated by Vapor ..and I have a feeling that I will continue to encounter more slight nuances that will continue to improve the process of Vaporization .

Perhaps try some smaller loads without the WPA, and go direct draw from the Transfer Wand?

As frosted as your material is, your tolerance must be super high ..

Man, I'm glad you joined bro, missed posting with the Notorious Mr.Burgundy :rockon:

Apologies for going O.T. :peace:

I'm Ron Burgundy? · Oct 2, 2015

Hashtag46&2 said:
Much like the LSV, the DBV can eat up some herb on the quick...

Last night I tried something a little new...

As opposed to my typical load of 0.1 of Herb with a layer of hash, then add just enough more herb to cover the hash...

I loaded 0.1 no hash yet..

Started my herb only session at 12 o'clock for three draws, bumped to 1 o'clock for 3 more and 2 o'clock for the last couple hits..

I was already HAF from the flowers, but I gotta get some Bubble in me to reach optimum altitude, so...

Then I added my hash on top of the ABV...

Draw.....

Whoa !!!!!!!

Nothing but pure hash bliss, didn't taste the popcorn taste that I usually get when I combine the fresh herb and hash simultaneously.

I've also found that the method in which I exhale the vapor is a surprisingly very important factor..
The exhale, inhale, exhale of vapor definitely makes a difference.

I'm still fascinated by Vapor ..and I have a feeling that I will continue to encounter more slight nuances that will continue to improve the process of Vaporization .

Perhaps try some smaller loads without the WPA, and go direct draw from the Transfer Wand?

As frosted as your material is, your tolerance must be super high ..

Man, I'm glad you joined bro, missed posting with the Notorious Mr.Burgundy

Apologies for going O.T.

Ha! My buds smell of rich mahogany :razz:

<--- that emoji is the best btw--- I'm glad I found you too man! You appreciate the plant with a passion, same as I. I'm stoked you switched to vaporization as well!

It's been over a year since switching and I'm still learning about different ways to utilize that sweet vapor. :nod:

I just finished a 4 bowl session with smaller bowls in the WPA...I think that's the key. I'll try the wand too...I just love the water filtration, cooler on the throat.
I pack too much material It seems. But it's tempting to pack bigger bowls because the LSV can blast it. :haw:

One day I want to try your crazy dank fire loud Dro hash. I never have concentrates so I'd be bye bye to the moon stoned lol.

Socks And Sandals · Oct 12, 2015

Dopeydiver said:
From my perspective, daily use is bordering on heavy smoking. I vape only on the weekends (i.e. Friday and saturday night only).

If you are truly smoking (i.e. combusting), then you should consider vaping as a much healthier alternative.

This is what I've been trying to do myself and this is originally how it's been for me from high school all the way through my 20's and 30's to be exact.. Weekends Only! I've only been a daily smoker for 5 years now.. before then It was only on the weekends (friday and saturday night for me) but the problem is I developed insomnia and have become so accustomed to watching a movie or tv show on Bluray, Netflix or HboGo every night that it's been hard to try cutting back. :rofl:

Just the last week I went Mon to Thur with no cannabis and managed pretty well without it but it was hard. Any pointers on keeping this routine up?

bluenavey00 · Oct 12, 2015

Socks And Sandals said:
This is what I've been trying to do myself and this is originally how it's been for me from high school all the way through my 20's and 30's to be exact.. Weekends Only! I've only been a daily smoker for 5 years now.. before then It was only on the weekends (friday and saturday night for me) but the problem is I developed insomnia and have become so accustomed to watching a movie or tv show on Bluray, Netflix or HboGo every night that it's been hard to try cutting back.

Just the last week I went Mon to Thur with no cannabis and managed pretty well without it but it was hard. Any pointers on keeping this routine up?

So when I got my vape around 8 months ago I was a daily smoker, but soon became a weekend vaper.

The first few weeks I found it important to arrange things to do in the evenings Mon-Thurs. If I am out doing things I don't even think about having a vape. However if i'm at home after uni/work at 5/6pm and have nothing to do but watch Netflix until I go to sleep that's when I find it hard.

I felt like the routine and habit built up over time. You get into a habit of getting high every night, you can quite easily get into a habit of not doing so every night.

Just keep reminding yourself of the benefits of not getting high every single day. For me its along the lines of, easier to get up in the mornings, less late night munchies sessions (training so trying to eat clean), cleaner head in the long term (I have noticed memory improvement), and lastly motivation. I always tended to be the person to get all my shit done for the day then get high, and that worked. However weekday evenings were normally a write off because I would come in after uni/work and get high straight away. That would limit my productivity, whereas now I am more likely to come in, cook dinner and clean the whole kitchen lol.

And last but probably most important tolerance. A combination of vaping rather than smoking, and also less frequent use has made my tolerance so so low. When I chill with buddies at the weekend I get as high off 0.05 as they would off a half gram blunt. I just look forward to that intense Friday high

They do say that too much of a good thing is bad, and for me I believe that to be true, something so amazing as getting high I don't want it to become a repetitive task. I want to look forward to it more than I did when I looked forward to it every single evening.

I am lucky to only be a recreational user, I appreciate that those that use the herb to treat medical conditions are in a completely different scenario. In terms of your insomnia the herb may help, but have you tried other methods? Getting into bed and making the room dim a whole hour before you intend to be asleep? Reading before bed rather than being on a bright computer/laptop screen. Maybe explore other ways of helping you get to sleep rather than believing herb is the only way

wolf1027 · Oct 12, 2015

I used to smoke every 45 mins all day and even wake up in the middle of the night to get a session in. Using it as a sleep aide is not that bad but I have read that it limits REM sleep (might want to do your own research on that one).

Socks And Sandals · Oct 14, 2015

bluenavey00 said:
So when I got my vape around 8 months ago I was a daily smoker, but soon became a weekend vaper.

The first few weeks I found it important to arrange things to do in the evenings Mon-Thurs. If I am out doing things I don't even think about having a vape. However if i'm at home after uni/work at 5/6pm and have nothing to do but watch Netflix until I go to sleep that's when I find it hard.

I felt like the routine and habit built up over time. You get into a habit of getting high every night, you can quite easily get into a habit of not doing so every night.

Just keep reminding yourself of the benefits of not getting high every single day. For me its along the lines of, easier to get up in the mornings, less late night munchies sessions (training so trying to eat clean), cleaner head in the long term (I have noticed memory improvement), and lastly motivation. I always tended to be the person to get all my shit done for the day then get high, and that worked. However weekday evenings were normally a write off because I would come in after uni/work and get high straight away. That would limit my productivity, whereas now I am more likely to come in, cook dinner and clean the whole kitchen lol.

And last but probably most important tolerance. A combination of vaping rather than smoking, and also less frequent use has made my tolerance so so low. When I chill with buddies at the weekend I get as high off 0.05 as they would off a half gram blunt. I just look forward to that intense Friday high

They do say that too much of a good thing is bad, and for me I believe that to be true, something so amazing as getting high I don't want it to become a repetitive task. I want to look forward to it more than I did when I looked forward to it every single evening.

I am lucky to only be a recreational user, I appreciate that those that use the herb to treat medical conditions are in a completely different scenario. In terms of your insomnia the herb may help, but have you tried other methods? Getting into bed and making the room dim a whole hour before you intend to be asleep? Reading before bed rather than being on a bright computer/laptop screen. Maybe explore other ways of helping you get to sleep rather than believing herb is the only way

After reading this I think I have some similar traits as you.

I tend to prefer to get high at night after my work is done. Haha! It reminds me of Samual Jackson's line in "Jackie Brown" when Bridget Fonda was getting high at his place in the film! :lol:

I'm also exactly the same way as you are in the evenings towards bedtime when there really isn't anything to do but watch Netflix. This is also when I find it most hardest for me.

I'll be honest what really motivates me into getting back into this routine is Tolerance mostly.. well, that and the fact that I also notice a little lack of motivation and short term memory loss but that was mainly with smoking. When I have vaped even in the daytime, I feel as if I'm more level headed and feel really ambitious like going for a walk and meeting the neighbors. If I smoked I would never consider that and would probably be too paranoid to talk to anyone. I understand everyone is different but Smoking always gave me anxiety rather than easing it like it does for a lot of people. Vaping doesn't do that and that's a good thing!!!

I've tried everything to get to sleep, a dim light, getting off the computer and not playing video games before bedtime as I find that just keys me up and acts like a stimulant. The only way I do unwind is when I'm watching something. I've also bought a mountain bike last year and getting that 1 hour a day exercise also really helps as well. I think a lot of us really forget how important getting your heart rate up and breaking a sweat at the very least for 45 minutes a day really is. It seems like every time I do take the bike out after dinner, I sleep better and tend to nod off earlier.

I quit smoking cigarettes 3 times before and each time was a 3 year span.. I'm pretty sure I got the will power and personal self restraint to do this! Thanks for the great advice and best of luck to you as well.

I'll be honest other than my insomnia, I'd probably classify myself as a recreational user as well but it does help so that's what I'll keep telling the doctor when my California Medical Marijuana license expires next year!

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