Eating ABV - trip report.

I don't think paranoia is desirable at all though I know what you mean. I think smoking marijuana in my teens, when my brain was still developing, caused me a speech impediment (mental not physical) that still effects me to this day. It caused a severe blight on my life to put it mildly.

Vaping, by the way, removed my addiction to cannabis and as enabled me at least in part to get over my mental problems, of which my speech was one. I wonder how my life would have turned out if I'd vaped in the beginning. Tobacco may also have been to blame.

No, I don't want paranoia back. I just want to feel how I felt a year and a half ago after taking only one or two hits. I want to be baked. Or at least I want to be able to be baked. But mostly I just want my muscles to relax. Which I guess is why I feel like I have had pretty good experiences eating ABV, even though it has never made me feel high yet. (Because it has made me feel at least somewhat relaxed.)

kellya86 said:

placebo weed

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That's just not right!!!!

All weed "should be" created equal!!!!

Danky and Stanky!!!

Ha, not in uk.
Now that my first crop is curing I see what I've been missing out on. Even draw I though was good, never produced anywhere near as much vapour as my small bearly cured nugs. Vaping will never catch on here till the weed is taken from the hands of criminals and put in the hands of professionals. Then in my vape. Then in my cake.
See still on topic.

Weed should be judged on taste and effects not amount of vapour but it's good to hear you're happy with your grow. I think it's only a matter of time before it comes legal or decriminalised in the UK Saying that, actually the idea of decriminalising something is completely stupid, it's not as if making something legal automatically encourages it. Why have a grey area. Completely off-topic sorry.

I'm not to far from the UK, and the damn immature placebo weed is one of many reasons I prefer my trusted hash sources.

But, @Aimless Ryan, I too have been malnourished in the past, with out your serious medical conditions (you said MS right?), and my ability to get a quality high from both vaping and edibles increased when I started eating better.

Irealize I sound like a very healthy guy just now, but I'm more of a slob really. If you want help with how to get a lot of nutrition in your body with very little effort, please feel free to PM me, and I'll give you some easy to do layman advice that in the least have helped me alot

skipbifferty said:

Weed should be judged on taste and effects not amount of vapour

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Taste and effect also better than iv experienced buying weed. So I put 2 and 2 together. I thought more thc = more potential vapour. Is this not right? It makes sense to me that the more active chemicals on the bud the more vapour you should be able to extract.

More potential vapour yes.

I don't remember if I said this already, but I seem to get smarter in the bathtub. I assume it's because my circulation improves considerably in the warm water.

During the long bath I just took, I had two very good ideas: 1) I need to take more baths (partly to keep me from vaping); and 2) I need to fill some of these capsules with seaweed/kelp.

If not for this thread, #2 would never have happened. And putting seaweed in my body may be very important. Also, I think long, warm baths do more for me than cannabis does. So maybe I should take more of them. (I've already taken two today.)

kellya86 said:

Taste and effect also better than iv experienced buying weed. So I put 2 and 2 together. I thought more thc = more potential vapour. Is this not right? It makes sense to me that the more active chemicals on the bud the more vapour you should be able to extract.

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I've had cannabis that had all kinds of vapor clouds but it didn't medicate very well. Vapor clouds don't = getting more medicated. Was that what you were talking about?

It's hard to know if you have a lot of THC in your cannabis. I've had dispensaries say that something was 30% THC and it didn't medicate any better than something that said 18% THC. Some places lie about the quality of their bud. I buy a little bit then if I like it I go back right away and get more.

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I think I want to take a bath.

I don't have the luxury or try before you buy or have the selection your have. In the UK it's just a lottery of what you get.

Aimless Ryan said:

I had four capsules left this morning of the ABV I ground last night. I decided to go ahead and swallow them this morning, along with a capsule of the ABV I ground and processed two or three weeks ago.

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Okay, so here's what I don't understand about swallowing ABV in capsule form: Everything I've learned on this site suggests that different cannaboids are released at different temperatures, so I understand that herb vaped at a low temperature can be used again at higher temperatures with good results. But if we swallow ABV cold, without heating it or boiling it in milk etc, surely it would have no potency as all the goodies would have been extracted up to the vaped temperature? I haven't tried it - it would be very convenient for me to swallow a capsule on occasion...I really want it to work, just don't see how it can

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Okay, so here's what I don't understand about swallowing ABV in capsule form: Everything I've learned on this site suggests that different cannaboids are released at different temperatures, so I understand that herb vaped at a low temperature can be used again at higher temperatures with good results. But if we swallow ABV cold, without heating it or boiling it in milk etc, surely it would have no potency as all the goodies would have been extracted up to the vaped temperature? I haven't tried it - it would be very convenient for me to swallow a capsule on occasion...I really want it to work, just don't see how it can

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because vaping the weed activates the cannabinoids and some remains in the ABV up until it turns black / to ash.

And this is why I feel no effects from raw ABV.

Even though I converted to vaping two or three months ago, it never occurred to me until a few days ago that it may be very common for people to load only enough herbs to last one session; probably because I live in my own little world, which doesn't include social vaping. Now that this has come to my attention, I am inclined to assume most people do it that way, most of the time.

Is that an accurate thought?

The reason why I asked that question in this thread is because I feel like the answer may have something to do with why I have had trouble feeling any effects after eating what I consider very large doses of ABV.

Until a few days ago, my routine with my portable vaporizer was to load about 0.1 g per stem and make it last three or four sessions. With my Aromed, my average load was in the neighborhood of 0.25 g, which would easily last several sessions.

As of the last few days, I have limited the loads in my portable vaporizer to about 0.03 g, and I discard the herbs after each session. With the Aromed, I have tried many loads as small as 0.03 g, but I may be becoming more inclined to use 0.05 g to 0.1 g. I discard each load as soon as it feels like I have to try really hard to get very little vapor.

Doing it this way, I have to figure it leaves my ABV more usable than ABV I have consumed up to now. First of all because I now discard herbs before they are completely spent. Second because I can imagine that heating the same herbs at 356 over and over until there are no clouds probably depletes the herbs in a similar way as vaping at well over 420 until there are no clouds.

I may be totally full of shit. We may find out within a week or so.

Brother, We are all full of shit. Let us know about the rest of your education.

I'm actually reading this whilst trying to push some of the shit that I'm full of out

But yeah, loading one session at the time seems to be the norm.

Reheating the same material over and over will also affect taste.

Most of us refer to the first hits of a sesh as the flavor or terp hits, and they are a lovely part of vaping

I don't know nuthin' bout ingesting raw abv but I'm skeptical - far as I can see it's got to be better to vape the sh1t out of it till it's toast. And yes, I'd say it makes sense to load as little as you need for a sesh. I'll use a pinch of weed tamped down in the oven of my Ascent and vape the flavour at 195ºC. Later (or next day) I'll stir it up and turn it up to max - 221ºC ...usually does the job both times, the second not as tasty and maybe slightly headachey. Dunno exactly how much but it's tiny - maybe 0.05g. That's a small load, right?
That said, I've been using some tincture a friend made which is relaxing without any real high - no idea what %s are in it but he used alcohol which he said had evaporated but I can still taste it - and I don't drink!

I don't get why people want raw abv when they are looking for a buzz, and have no special dietary needs who prevent them from using fats.

Coconut oil is the way, ime, but most fats will help your body absorbe the active ingredients.

I've had more effects from eating 0.2 grams of properly prepared hash caps then 5.0 grams of pure hash.

Aimless Ryan said:

Even though I converted to vaping two or three months ago, it never occurred to me until a few days ago that it may be very common for people to load only enough herbs to last one session; probably because I live in my own little world, which doesn't include social vaping. Now that this has come to my attention, I am inclined to assume most people do it that way, most of the time.

Is that an accurate thought?

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Everyone is different......

Regardless of which of my vapes I use.... I load to what I feel is the most I can load without compromising the air flow/draw resistance. I find that the more I 'efficiently' pack/load the more satisfying the hits and high.

I get an average of 16 hits from my Solo and 24 hits from my X=Max. I'm not changing my approach to vaporizing based on how the ABV may turn out. I try to get everything I can from the vape session itself. I've always looked at ABV and reclaim as a gift. Nothing goes to waste but the gift of ABV or reclaim is secondary to the session itself.

There is a downside to loading to the max like that for me....since all I need is 4 good hits per session to get where I'm going and ABV color isn't always indicative of how many hits I've had from a bowl..... I find I need to keep track of how many hits I've had and at what temp to know when I've gotten the most I can/want from a bowl. So I keep a notepad handy so I know what's left per bowl. Typical notes per bowl would be 4H @ 4L, (4 hits at Level 4), second session 8H @ 4L....until I get to something like 16H @ 6L at which point I empty the bowl and start a new set of notes.

Next time I do this, I'll try sautéing my powdered ABV in coconut oil for a while, as someone suggested recently. I just got a huge jug of coconut oil a few days ago.

In fact, I can see solidified coconut oil being a great substitute for capsules, which are very difficult for me to put together.

I didn't buy the coconut oil just for this. I was already a regular consumer of coconut oil before it was ever mentioned here.

Aimless Ryan said:

Next time I do this, I'll try sautéing my powdered ABV in coconut oil for a while, as someone suggested recently. I just got a huge jug of coconut oil a few days ago.

In fact, I can see solidified coconut oil being a great substitute for capsules, which are very difficult for me to put together.

I didn't buy the coconut oil just for this. I was already a regular consumer of coconut oil before it was ever mentioned here.

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I really like doing this with scrambled eggs. I use pico de gallo, sauteeing it in the coconut oil until the veggies are tender, then dump in the ABV. I maybe stir that a minute more before stirring the eggs in, then I kill the heat and add my cheese. Sometimes if I'm feeling frisky I'll stir in another amount of ABV with the cheese. I find that I don't mind the ABV taste in savory foods, myself- but this is certainly a personal taste issue. If I do this first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, by the afternoon I'm rocking and rolling.

This is my most recent Aromed ABV (middle), as well as somewhat older ABV (back left). I assume everyone can see in the picture that the newer ABV is much closer to green than the older ABV, but still not green. I can only assume that means I should have a little better luck next time (which may be today).

I'm going to put this stuff on the stove for a while, in warm coconut oil, above a low flame. Haven't decided yet if I will keep these two piles separate from each other.

Remember to keep the heat low

I would just throw it all in. You don't have to eat it all, but it's nice to have the oil ready for when you want it.

I only heated it for about half an hour, then put it in the fridge to solidify. Here's what I got.



Since I don't really have anything in the picture to show the scale of the pot, I'll just let you know that this pot is 6". So that chunk of coconut oil and ABV is probably a little less than 3" wide. I estimate that I should have about enough ABV there to fill 8 or 10 capsules (if I was doing it that way).

I only used the greenish pile from my previous pic. I didn't think to weigh either the ABV or the coconut oil, so I don't really have a way to gauge the dosage I may be about to consume.

I might also eat a spoonful of coconut oil when I eat the ABV, just to make sure there's plenty of fat. I'm probably going to consume some of this stuff pretty soon, then take a long bath and report back in a couple hours.

EDIT: The chunk weighs 6.7 g. I am inclined to think the ratio of coconut oil to ABV is about 1:1. Which if true would mean I have around 3 g of ABV locked up in that rock.

Which just doesn't add up. There is no way that is 3 g of ABV. I'm guessing it's more like 1 g. I guess I'll just have to remember to weigh everything first next time.

EDIT: The pile of brown ABV weighs about 3.7 g. Judging by the looks of the two piles in my picture a couple posts back, I'm inclined to think the pile of brown ABV contained about 1.5 to 2 times as much ABV as the greener pile. So that must mean there is around 2 g of ABV in the rock.

EDIT: I ate half of the chunk at about 11:45 AM EDT. I didn't wash it down or anything; I just ate it. Was pretty easy to do, since all the ABV was contained within the coconut oil. Also, it has been a few hours since I have consumed any other cannabis, and I didn't consume much (a few hits?). Which means if anything happens this time, it's from the ABV.

EDIT (2:30): Nothing seems to have happened. So I guess I'm going to eat the other half of the rock soon, along with half of a frozen Gino's East deep dish pizza.

EDIT: Swallowed the second half of the rock at 2:44. Now eating pizza.

EDIT (3:39): I'm beginning to think I may be really fucked up. If so, I don't think it is from the 0.1 g I have vaped today.

EDIT (3:44): Good fucked up.

4:01: I feel so relaxed. I need to be able to feel like this more frequently. My muscles are always so tight. I always hurt like hell from it. Not right now.