Eating ABV - trip report.

I'm not sure how big your capsules are but that doesn't seem like a very strong dose of abv to me. Next time try cooking it into the coconut oil and see if that helps

I'm also having trouble getting effects from edibles and tinctures

Looks like each capsule contains about 0.13 g of powdered ABV. These capsules are big.

(I'm having trouble getting effects from anything.)

panckage said:

Thanks, that is a possibility. But how about digestion? Do we know that stomach acid is not needed to break down the ABV before our bodies can use it?

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I don't have a reference, but recall reading exactly the opposite, that stomach acid breaks down cannabaniods causing loss.

In this quest, you would make the perfect tester for those who have the same experience. If you test this out, you could report back on...
* change of affects, since you tried capsules already, and see if different level of effects.
* if it solved your stomach acid issues from using capsules.
* on any other changes noticed.

Good luck on this quest!

I think you need to go with the coconut oil and larger capsules.

Low heat with the ABV and oil for an hour, don't let it boil, too hot will destroy the goods. let cool and add to the capsules. The ABV should be ground fine, like flour. You may need a capsule making machine, they have them on Amazon and they are cheap. It's hard handling the ABV with the coconut oil when making capsules.

Aimless Ryan said:

Looks like each capsule contains about 0.13 g of powdered ABV. These capsules are big.

(I'm having trouble getting effects from anything.)

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Then that's a very low dose of abv. You need to increse your dose for sure
When u say that you're having trouble getting effects from anything, Do you mean vaporizing also? Is your herb of good quality?

Yes, that's what I mean. As far as I know, I'm getting good stuff. Looks good. Smells good. Seems to work every once in a while, too. But that's how I would describe almost everything I've had for the last year or longer. So I'm pretty sure it's not my herbs.

I don't live in the same reality as most people anymore (because of multiple sclerosis). My body started falling apart 5 years ago, and it just never stopped. I don't know how to navigate this fairly new (and constantly-changing) reality. Nothing makes sense anymore.

You need to have the fat in your system too that's how the effects are converted through your liver. Any kind of fat will do but coconut oil does the best job I hear.

The soy lecithin helps too if you add that before the hour cooking phase. The lecithin helps to mix everything together so it doesn't separate and I hear more potent. You can buy it through Amazon or several places online.

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Check out the cooking section.

I highly recommend lecithin.

I'm doing it again. This time I'm using 10 capsules of my older (more heavily-vaped) ABV. Washing it down with the remainder of a smoothie containing coconut oil and avocado (fat). (I might also eat a little salmon soon.)

I haven't consumed any cannabis yet today, other than four of my capsules. If it doesn't cause too much pain and/or discomfort, I'm going to refrain from vaping for at least a few hours, just to see if the ABV does anything this time.

My hypothesis says this will not really get me high but it will probably make me feel much more relaxed and perhaps a little pleasantly stupid.

So, Ryan... ingested cannabinoids need to be processed, by my understanding, by the liver.
If your liver function is sub-par, you might not get effective metabolization.

Look for ways to strengthen & nourish your liver. I'm not a doctor, and I've never played one on TV, but I actually was a MANAGER for a Holiday Inn Express (*wince*)... in our house, when our livers need a little help, we take milk thistle extract. A real MD suggested it to me so long ago you might not have been born yet ... but, it's always been my go-to.

Perhaps, as far as edibles, you might try something that you absorb under your tongue, like a tincture, or try changing your timing of when you ingest.

There are three "times" that are supposed to have different, significant effects on how edibles hit you.
Twenty minutes before a meal (on empty stomach), With a meal, and 45 minutes to 1 hour after a meal.

If your digestive system is messed up, your stomach emptying time may vary.

One other method of ingestion might bypass all of this for you, and provide what you are looking for.
Suppositories.

One of the providers at the market we utilize makes them for medical usage. Inquire through your local dispensary (if you have one) or look up a recipe to make your own. This, of course, supposes that your lower tract is functional.

I can't say eating 10 ABV capsules this morning did much of anything. It may have relaxed me a little bit, but that's about it.

I guess it's time for me to save up some much less crispy ABV, then maybe report back in a few weeks.

If you do a bit of reading on abv capsules you'll find that most people either use the 00 size or the 000 size which is even bigger. I use the 00 size and I can fit in about 0.375g in each capsule (abv just grounded by hand). Your ones are possible less than a third of the size of my ones. I think it'll take at least .5g to give any effects. Why don't you try for maximum effect (I'd say 1.3g - I have to admit I've never taken more) and then work your way down to what you like? Just give yourself at least 10 hours to do it in safe surroundings. Probably don't do this if you're reasonably inexperienced with ganja, and unless you're an adult

I use 00. Each of my filled capsules weighs about 0.3 g. Each capsule itself weighs more than half of that. I wasn't counting the weight of the capsule.

It makes sense that others might be able to fit more inside each capsule than me (because my fingers can barely get it done at all), but I fill each capsule as full as I can, which seems to be their capacity.

Not to beat a dead horse, but somewhere back in all these postings, ... you ARE taking these with a fat source, yes? either the ABV is packed in coconut oil in the capsules, or you are eating them with a fat-heavy meal.

fat soluble actives need...... fat.


Just a thot

Yes. I intend to keep trying different ways as I continue learning important details from you guys and learning other things from experience, but yeah. Ever since the first time someone mentioned fat, I feel like I have consumed quite a bit of fat at about the same time I have consumed the ABV.

You say you only get effects sometimes when you vape? If so, there's obviously a link. Could it be that the weed you're buying is bunk because smell and look is no way to judge weed at all. I've bought weed many times from dealers and it's given me no effects, presumably because it was harvested early? Just an idea.

In the UK where I live I have had this problem. I call it placebo weed. Looks amazing, smells great, but doesn't get you high at all. Like not even a little bit. Maybe put your weed under a scope to examine the trichomes.

I was forced into cultivation to avoid placebo weed and laced weed.

There seems to be no clear pattern to my inability to medicate as effectively as I'd like. It seems like every time I get a new strain, it does the job pretty well the first few times I use it, but then it's like my body shuts itself off to the desired effects.

I just started buying from my current guy several weeks ago, after buying exclusively from another guy for nearly a year. There is no doubt my previous guy was ripping me off, but his product was good. (He once told me it came from medical growers in Michigan.) Also, I let the new guy try out my vaporizers while he was here about 10 days ago, and I could tell by looking at his eyes that he was baked. Which he confirmed.

I'm inclined to think my problems are related to my body; malnutrition combined with tolerance, perhaps. Not to mention my very serious medical issues. Even though I don't think I use a huge quantity daily (about half a gram), I almost always use from morning until night. Maybe I'm just a stupid stoner. (Before I started vaping, a few months ago, I pretty much never smoked until evening, but I was using about the same amount per day that I use now.)

I haven't used any so far today, and I'm about to take a really long bath. Hopefully when I medicate for the first time, this afternoon, the effects will be more noticeable than usual (specifically because of the bath and the longer period of inactivity).


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kellya86 said:

Maybe put your weed under a scope to examine the trichomes.

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I have done that, with a loupe. There's not nearly as many crystals as I am accustomed to. I've been assuming that is because of the particular strain, but I realize I may be wrong. Also, I pretty much always sift pretty aggressively. Which to me suggests that the quantity of kief in the unprocessed buds shouldn't make a difference, because my kief will be sifted regardless of whether there is a lot of kief to sift.

kellya86 said:

In the UK where I live I have had this problem. I call it placebo weed. Looks amazing, smells great, but doesn't get you high at all. Like not even a little bit. Maybe put your weed under a scope to examine the trichomes.

I was forced into cultivation to avoid placebo weed and laced weed.

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Does looking at trichomes once harvested and cured actually tell you anything because they shrivel up a lot I find? I had the same problem in the UK as well. Resorted to buying off the darknet by the ounce. I still got poor weed with no effects sometimes but I found I could minimize my purchases and therefore the number of times I was disappointed. I agree though it's nice to grow your own if you can.

Good luck Ryan.

I done the Internet thing too. Its funny when the royal mail postman brings me my oz in the morning blissfully unaware of the goodies he is delivering. Ha. And then I got a letter saying customs had seized my package and I needed to collect it. So fuck that didn't collect or order more.
Ryan one more thing I will say is that the mind is a very powerful thing and can make or break drug experiences. Dont you find that the times you need to be sober (like visiting family or a job interview maybe) and you jus smoke a little bit thinking it won't affect you, then you get stupidly high. But when you sit there and really try to get high or like when you smoke last joint , knowing you have to get as high as possible, it doesn't work so well.
It's all in the mind. Maybe. At least some of it. Does anyone agree.

I almost never go anywhere. I can't. And I don't speak to my family. Can't work, either, so I rarely need to be sober. But I'm pretty much sober all the time anyway, even though I should be high all the time.

Until very recently, I made it a point to almost never be high around people. It made me paranoid. I hated it. Wish I could feel paranoid again.

I hear ya, though. My mind has been fucking me over for almost 42 years.

Aimless Ryan said:

I almost never go anywhere. I can't. And I don't speak to my family. Can't work, either, so I rarely need to be sober. But I'm pretty much sober all the time anyway, even though I should be high all the time.

Until very recently, I made it a point to almost never be high around people. It made me paranoid. I hated it. Wish I could feel paranoid again.

I hear ya, though. My mind has been fucking me over for almost 42 years.

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I am "infused" most of the day and I feel the same way. Love Mankind, Hate people. Humanity is a great concept but very poor in execution.

Was the paranoia before you started vaping? Was combusting causing it?

Yes, paranoia was before I started vaping. I may have even stopped feeling paranoia quite a while before I converted, though. I'm really not sure if paranoia had anything to do with combustion. I think it probably had a lot to do with my personality, as well as inexperience. That is, I think experience taught me how to stop feeling paranoid.

I want to add that what I said about my family referred mainly to my parents and my brother. I have never been married, and I live alone.

When I was looking into converting to vaping, some of the info said that when you vape you don't get the bad bits like paranoia and anxiety. Not that iv ever had them anyway. So maybe vaping may have helped remove that. But now you want that back as 'evidence' of being high?

Sometimes i wished I had no family and lived alone. No ties. Could do what I want, when I want. Less cleaning, cooking, and more money for me.