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Paitient_Grasshopper

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Vape Dr. said:
@CE24 my friend you should never get shocked by any electrical equipment especially a vaporizer. If you are feeling a shock to your tongue however so slight it may be, there is a definitely a serious problem.

I personally would never use a vaporizer that shocked me when I hit it. You have to see the problem with this....this is not acceptable to me.

Would you use your cell phone if it shocked you when you were using it?

Just my :2c:
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One of the main differences between a grasshopper and any other vape is the lack of wires in the implementation of the vaporizer. The body is the carrier for the power between the battery and the heater, it was explained in the main indiegogo page I believe. So it shouldn't be shocking that when you touch your tounge, which is the perfect condition to transfer an electrical current there it isn't shocking to hear you would feel a tingle. The trade off of no wires is the current runes through the body which is why in some units heat is reported in back end. Heat is energy and any passive heat that is being transferred to the back end of the unit instead of the heater would add a drain on the overall energy consumption.

This would explain why replacement of the body would stop heat issues; it may have something to do with the tolerance between the body of the grasshopper and the battery or the fit with backend and body. Just a theory with the information I have read in these threads.
 
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Paitent_Grasshopper said:
One of the main differences between a grasshopper and any other vape is the lack of wires in the implementation of the vaporizer. The body is the carrier for the power between the battery and the heater, it was explained in the main indiegogo page I believe. So it shouldn't be shocking that when you touch your tounge, which is the perfect condition to transfer an electrical current there it isn't shocking to hear you would feel a tingle. The trade off of no wires is the current runes through the body which is why in some units heat is reported in back end. Heat is energy and any passive heat that is being transferred to the back end of the unit instead of the heater would add a drain on the overall energy consumption.

This would explain why replacement of the body would stop heat issues; it may have something to do with the tolerance between the body of the grasshopper and the battery or the fit with backend and body. Just a theory with the information I have read in these threads.
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By that theory when you use a flashlight you should get shocked.

They use the body as a ground and have no wires.
There is no good reason to get shocked by a vaporizer at any time IMO.

That's just my opinion. I will stick to "shock free" vaporizers myself.
 
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Paitient_Grasshopper

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Vape Dr. said:
By that theory when you use a flashlight you should get shocked.

They use the body as a ground and have no wires.
There is no good reason to get shocked by a vaporizer at any time IMO.

That's just my opinion. I will stick to "shock free" vaporizers myself.
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How many flashlights are you using which outer bodies are made of steel or titanium or for that matter any type of metal? In my experience there is rubber or some form of plastic which is not a conductor of electricity. You are correct you should have not experienced anything of the sort with a flashlight.
 
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LOL! Are you serious? Every one! I have a nitecore 1000 lumen FL and the body is the ground. I don't get shocked when I switch through the 4 modes and it uses an 18650 battery. Even mag lights don't have wires and use the body as a ground!
 
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I'm with the @Vape Dr. No vaporizer should be shocking you. Its rediculous to think differently. If it's shocking you, you need to excersise your lifetime warranty.

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This vaporizer should be made so folks can turn it on with their mouths if need be. If it's a flaw that's one of the things they need to be looked at. It may not work for everyone then. We have a lot of people that need to use their vaporizers in an alternative way such as turning it on and adjusting with their mouth.
 
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Deadshort480

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The voltage is running through the body in both the Grasshopper and the flashlight. It's such a low voltage and the resistance of the human body is high enough that you don't feel it through your fingers. It's the same as a 9 Volt battery, touch both terminals with your fingers and you feel nothing, but touch them with your wet tongue with fairly low resistance and it tingles.

The clicker pushes down and makes contact with the internal plunger which makes contact with the battery. So, if your tounge is making contact with the clicker and the body when turning on, you wil feel a slight tingle.

If you hold a piece of metal between the clicker and body at the end you will get a "false start". The lights will turn on and you will hear a clicking sound, but then the unit turns itself off because it recognizes that the clicker hasn't been pressed.

I wouldn't say it's a flaw in the design because its inherent to the design, but there are ways to shield the user from this.

They may have been able to solve this with an immovable plastic cap over the clicker, but it would have messed with the aesthetics in my opinion.

I'm aware that some folks may have to turn on the vaporizer with their mouth due to disability, but I truly believe that the designers never intended for it to be turned on in this manner. Through your tongue is really the only way to feel the tingle.
 
Vapor_Eyes

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Vape Dr. said:
By that theory when you use a flashlight you should get shocked.

They use the body as a ground and have no wires.
There is no good reason to get shocked by a vaporizer at any time IMO.

That's just my opinion. I will stick to "shock free" vaporizers myself.
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I know what you're saying, but I would probably never even know this was an issue if it weren't for this thread. I guarantee you I never planned on adjusting the temp with my teeth.

It was posted early in this thread that simultaneously touching the clicker and the body with metal, such as a coin or key, could complete the electrical circuit. This was known by GHL and they made the Grasshopper able to detect the false signal and not drain the battery.

Personally I would rather not have wires near my air path, and would most likely have never even discovered the GH's ability to shock you. Any electric vape has the ability to shock you if it is not used according to the instructions. I find wires near the air path to be a more serious hazard than a very mild electric shock.

We all have our own standards when it comes to what is healthy and I respect that. I also appreciate how much the FC community has done to help create demand for healthy vaporizers, share information, and hold manufacturers accountable. We need to know all the facts to be able to make informed decisions.
 
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Delta3DStudios

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Quetzalcoatl said:
that small buzz/shock feeling thing is unnerving... if it came into contact with metal in a specific way what would happen? battery failure? (nobody try this i don't want to be responsible for injuries to you or your grasshopper lol)
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This was mentioned by Trevor a while ago. The Hopper's programming can supposedly detect when something unexpected is making contact with the backend and prevent the hopper from turning on.

Yes when the back of the hopper makes contact with metal, the hopper's lights turn on, but the heater will not. This was discussed at least two if not thee months ago when an early backer noticed his hopper turning on when making contact with a metal surface.

Too lazy right now to look through old posts to find which user it was. But I do remember Trevor said they had developed some programming to compensate for this scenario.

Still not too worried, I normally don't go around sticking my tongue on the charging ports of my vaporizers :mental:
 
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Anyone think that health stone for concentrates would work in the gh if you can find one to fit . Or would it just make the gh just run hotter I've never used one I'm just curious.
 
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juke52

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@juke52 Please elaborate.

What kind of $99 convection vape do you have?
Is it a portable vape?

Is it a secret vape no one knows about, or a chinese vape you bought from dhgate or alibaba that claims to be convection?

Other than a box style plug in vape I am unaware of any portable pure convection vapes at that price.

Please tell us the name and post pics if possible.

Thank you my friend.
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Oh, I get it! You're trying to be coy. But given the context, it's really not working.
 
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stickstones

stickstones

Vapor concierge
juke52 said:
Oh, I get it! You're trying to be coy. But given the context, it's really not working.
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I'm not sure how you're reading his post, but I have the same questions. You said you have a $99 convection vape, and to our knowledge no such thing exists that is worth a shit. So what are you vaping with? Unless it's this GH that you got for $99...
 
Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
stickstones said:
I'm not sure how you're reading his post, but I have the same questions. You said you have a $99 convection vape, and to our knowledge no such thing exists that is worth a shit. So what are you vaping with? Unless it's this GH that you got for $99...
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Sticks, juke was a backer, they paid $99 for the GH, hes posted reviews here, see prev page ;)
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
blazed7's said:
Anyone think that health stone for concentrates would work in the gh if you can find one to fit . Or would it just make the gh just run hotter I've never used one I'm just curious.
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I never felt the stone held concentrates very well in comparison to VaporGenie's liquid pad and other metal meshes.

They also are too big to fit.
 
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I ordered a titanium version at the end of august. Now at the end of september I just ordered a stainless steel version for a friend. My order ID in august was 19000 something, and the new one is 22000. So I find it interesting and hopeful that there have been 3000 more orders in the past month, that means they are still getting a constant flow of capital to workout issues and increase production.
 
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Mr. Niceguy

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Hi there, I have my GH for 2 or 3 weeks now. First backend (serial number in the 500's) got a little hot and highest temperature gave only thin clouds and greenish ABV. 2 out of 3 additional batteries I ordered were dead.
Last week I got a replacement backend (serial number in the 100's) and batteries.
So far, I realy like the GH. Something that imho could be improved in a GH 2.0: the temperature-dial is difficult in the dark, you can just guess the position. I would prefer something like a clicking dial where each clicking is +10°C. That and a stealth-mode without lights would be great. I wouldn't need the light. Something like vibration-alarm for empty battery and lights just for charging would rock. Heat up time is fast enough for using without an indicator. Click, wait 4 seconds, vape.
What do you think about the "accustic-stealh-mode" of the GH? If I push the button of my GH just to right before it clicks, it heats up and you can vape. Release the finger and it stops. Is it a bug or a feature? Is it ok for regular use?
 
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