Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

Thanks for the link and more info everyone.

stickstones - what other heavy hitters fit the bill?

KimDracula - Perhaps the chest pain was a combination of reduced draw (certainly to smoking) with reduced effects and efficiency causing me to inhale for long periods through the tube and holding my breath longer than I usually would.

KimDracula said:

Budley, the EQ doesn't have much draw resistance, imo. You'll get a much better hit from the EVO in short order, but there is some restriction there. It wouldn't usually be an issue, but I'm wondering about your thoughts on your chest pain.

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Good point. IME the Q's comfort (or lack thereof) depends substantially how one uses it (like a lot of vapes). The stock unit with the narrow glass elbow attached to 36" of tubing adds a lot of drag for me; try to increase performance with the elbow-pack and that adds a lot more. I probably should have mentioned above that, with a few mods and the right glass, I reduced the harshness and the drag both to acceptable levels (but I still switched to the EVO). I highly recommend the @DDave mod for the Q that really improves performance. I mention this because, given the significant cost differential between the Q and the EVO, a lot of Q users have made adjustments to the unit and kept the un-spent cash. YMMV.

Re the chest pain specifically, for me once that developed it took a good while to recede. IIRC, months. Based on my experience at least, someone having regularly smoked cigarettes until not long ago could easily still be healing. For a while with the Q I was feeding the vapor through my nose (no smart-ass jokes, please) because I noticed that having to pull from my chest added a great deal more discomfort.

Budley Moore said:

. . . I have read evidence that suggests vaporizing reduces carcinogens but doesn't eliminate them. Benzene and other carcinogenic vapors significantly increase at 200C (392F) and higher. Also there is the added concern of pesticides and fertilisers . . .

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Added chemicals is why I included the "assuming there is nothing harmful in your herb" phrase; that's a different issue. Herb is not in and of itself carcinogenic. You are right that with a very high heat carcinogenic chemical conversion can occur (char, carbon), although by orders of magnitude what is more harmful is pyrolysis/combustion caused by a flame (which is what creates benzenes). However, this level of heat is not necessary for creating thick high quality vapor. As a side note, the design of the EVO bamboo and the ELB facilitates vaporizing at a slightly lower comparative temp to achieve the same result.

Budley Moore said:

stickstones - what other heavy hitters fit the bill?

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The ones I have landed on are the Herbalizer, the MiniVap, Evo and the VripTech Heat Wand. Those are the big boys I rotate regularly.

stickstones:

I can see myself only using the EVO out of those 4 so that is helping me with my decision, thanks.

oldiebutgoodie:

Thank you for the tip but I do not plan on using the extreme Q again as I am not a fan of the mica heating element and electronics being in the air path.

I am certain the chest pain was from how I was inhaling from the extreme Q. It was a long time after I gave up tobacco and heavy smoking in general that I attempted to use it again and felt the pain on day 2-3 of heavy-ish usage. I stopped and luckily it only took around a week to go away. Assumed it to be pulled muscles from overexertion!

Say I want to avoid the bulk of these carcinogens that start at 200c - do you know roughly where that would be on the dial so I can try and keep below it please?

Thanks again.

Budley Moore said:

Thank you for the tip but I do not plan on using the extreme Q again as I am not a fan of the mica heating element and electronics being in the air path.

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In the interest of accurate information, the electronics in the Q are not in the heated air path, which is what matters here. Air enters the bottom of the Q and travels over the electronics before it gets to the heating element, so you are not getting any off-gassing from the electronics. The way it is designed poses no more risk to you than your stereo does when it is on.

Also, unless a design change has been made, the mica is a spacer, not the heating element. It's been too long since I took mine apart to remember exactly, but the only concern any of us had with the mica back in the day when it was introduced was any dust coming off of it.

As to your temp questions, I can test that, but my Evo is a pre-production unit and will be calibrated differently from what you get. I'll have to see if I can get my hands on a production unit for testing...

I have seen a thread on this forum suggesting someone found melted plastic in the path which really put me off though.

Would love to hear about those temps - thanks.

i probably won't have any good temp answers for you before you buy unless you are waiting a long time. I need to secure a production model first...

I will most likely be buying this week but I would still love to hear a temperature guide in the future if it is not too much trouble.

Looking at glass in UK, hydratubes are £136 and a plain glass mouthpiece is £30. Expensive, wow....

Can anyone recommend a cheaper glass mouthpiece that would fit (as I would like 2 in total), also do cheaper hydratubes exist that sit on top of the EVO? I am a bit worried (certainly initially) about dropping / breaking it if I invert it.

Budley Moore said:

I will most likely be buying this week but I would still love to hear a temperature guide in the future if it is not too much trouble.

Looking at glass in UK, hydratubes are £136 and a plain glass mouthpiece is £30. Expensive, wow....

Can anyone recommend a cheaper glass mouthpiece that would fit (as I would like 2 in total), also do cheaper hydratubes exist that sit on top of the EVO? I am a bit worried (certainly initially) about dropping / breaking it if I invert it.

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I personally wouldn't hesitate inverting the EVO. It's the only way I use it. Hydratubes are nice, but overpriced imo. Inverting gives you the world of cheap, very functional glass from China. Check out the Cheap Bubbler/Glass thread for lots of links/reviews.

Regarding the temperature and the "potential" for carcinogens (I put potential in quotes because I'm not convinced of that aspect when vaporizing organic cannabis), that's going to be a hard one to answer. There are slight variations in the units as firmware changes/manufacturer tolerances/differences in bamboo/etc. Not every unit will be exactly the same.

But trust me, it's not a big deal. You will become one with the EVO, you will know the intricacies of it soon.

I was an on/off vaporist before the EVO. I'd go long stretches with vaping, but then fall back into smoking. Getting the EVO made me a full convert. I still combust in the rare social situation such as a music festival, but the smoke tastes so acrid.

Budley Moore said:

Can anyone recommend a cheaper glass mouthpiece that would fit (as I would like 2 in total), also do cheaper hydratubes exist that sit on top of the EVO? I am a bit worried (certainly initially) about dropping / breaking it if I invert it.

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Hi,
I use hydratubes and connect to bubblers.
IMO, inverting Evo onto stable glass bubbler has fewer worries than placing/removing a glass hydratube on top of the Evo.

But, both are easy after you do them a few times/ get the hang of it.

use mine inverted all the time.

Budley Moore said:

Looking at glass in UK, hydratubes are £136 and a plain glass mouthpiece is £30. Expensive, wow....

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The hydratube price is £136 only when buying with the EVO...
If you wanted to buy one at a later date, it's £190
https://www.vapefiend.co.uk/accessories-spares/vapexhale-accessories.html

I think I'll be inverting mine when I finally get one. (though I think I'd also like a turbine HT at some point too)
I was hoping to have ordered already, but real life and re-upping has gotten in the way lol
Maybe this week...

Which pieces of dhgate glass would you say pairs best with the EVO?

Vaked and browsing, long weekends, an EVO and a little too much gorilla glue are all dangerous things. I want to buy everything...

Pyr0 said:

The hydratube price is £136 only when buying with the EVO...
If you wanted to buy one at a later date, it's £190
https://www.vapefiend.co.uk/accessories-spares/vapexhale-accessories.html

I think I'll be inverting mine when I finally get one. (though I think I'd also like a turbine HT at some point too)
I was hoping to have ordered already, but real life and re-upping has gotten in the way lol
Maybe this week...

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In the long run, an HT is very good to have. I usually use my Evo for months at a time with either the HT or bubbler exclusively. I highly recommend having both options.

Budley Moore said:

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Say I want to avoid the bulk of these carcinogens that start at 200c - do you know roughly where that would be on the dial so I can try and keep below it please?

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Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you, it's a difficult question. I put a question into a friend who knows much more about this than me. I'll get back to you. Sorry, best I can do.

I got my Evo back from repairs last Wednesday and I have to say I am pretty impressed, big difference in how efficiently & effectively it vapes herb compared to my previous Evo, which to me seemed slightly flawed compared to the two previous units before that. The bamboo on this is really nice with a intricate (layered?) mid section that really seems to add to the overall functionality; I like the thickness of it too. The draw speed seems to have been tweaked as well with the whistle being easier to "reach", I usually stay below the whistle but you can draw fast enough to override the whistle and get some solid rips.

The screen below the vents seems slightly different and I really dig the red caps that came along with it that go on both ends of the bamboo to keep it free of debris when in storage. Everything with this unit seems to be on par with all the high reviews, and that's what I've really wanted all along. I want to dial in on the lower temps to see how that is but so far I am staying in at a hair under 1:30 and loads are coming out looking kind of like coffee. I am really happy to report that it vapes smaller loads really well, that was one thing I've always kind of had trouble with on my previous units.

Has anyone tried to use an ELB in an EQ and a hydratube on top?

Pyr0 said:

The hydratube price is £136 only when buying with the EVO...
If you wanted to buy one at a later date, it's £190
https://www.vapefiend.co.uk/accessories-spares/vapexhale-accessories.html

I think I'll be inverting mine when I finally get one. (though I think I'd also like a turbine HT at some point too)
I was hoping to have ordered already, but real life and re-upping has gotten in the way lol
Maybe this week...

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One alternative you can also utilize is to connect the EVO upright with a bubbler using a 18mm female vaporizer adapter (connected to EVO), whip tubing, and another adapter to go into your bubbler. If that doesn't make sense I can always take a pic when I get home.

I currently use my EVO with my FC UFO and two sets of whip tubing. Let's me take big rips without shifting from the couch!

That sort of setup a so makes EVO great for a group setting as well!

PurpleDazed said:

Has anyone tried to use an ELB in an EQ and a hydratube on top?

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I found vapexhale ELBs to work in EQ's elbow much better than classic cyclone load or even the famous elbow pack.
I prepared the ELB just like for VXC, then inserted it into the elbow and vaped with a whip.
Becausthe herbs are even further from the heater than elbow pack this way, it needed to be set even higher to work correctly - at about 220-240 °C.
But it produced vapor much better than any other way and didn't need stirring.

As for the second part of the question - no. You would need some special adapters to make that work. (Cannabis Connoisseur down below has a good comment on that)
A female to male, which would have the elb on top like VXC.
Or a male to male on top on cyclone bowl and the ALB again on the top.
Then you could fit a HT on top, but it would be clumsy.
With the ELB in the elbow I can't put a HT on top.
I only could fit the Vertigo hydratree on top directly and that left almost no space for the actual load.
I've manaded to make a micro ELB from an EQ elbow screen and ELB cap. That could hold a tiny bit of weed and would fit there but I didn't find it to work well.
As far as I experienced, the further the load is from the heater, the better. You set the temp higher, but then you pull hard and get very good results.

edit: Cannabis Connoisseur also has a point. The EVO's joint is made for ELBs so it fits everytime, you don't have to be so lucky with other joint, only one of my 2 elbows accepted an ELB.

Seek said:

I found vapexhale ELBs to work in EQ's elbow much better than classic cyclone load or even the famous elbow pack.
I prepared the ELB just like for VXC, then inserted it into the elbow and vaped with a whip.
Becausthe herbs are even further from the heater than elbow pack this way, it needed to be set even higher to work correctly - at about 220-240 °C.
But it produced vapor much better than any other way and didn't need stirring.

As for the second part of the question - no. You would need some special adapters to make that work.
A female to male, which would have the elb on top like VXC.
Or a male to male on top on cyclone bowl and the ALB again on the top.
Then you could fit a HT on top, but it would be clumsy.
With the ELB in the elbow I can't put a HT on top.
I only could fit the Vertigo hydratree on top directly and that left almost no space for the actual load.
I've manaded to make a micro ELB from an EQ elbow screen and ELB cap. That could hold a tiny bit of weed and would fit there but I didn't find it to work well.
As far as I experienced, the further the load is from the heater, the better. You set the temp higher, but then you pull hard and get very good results.

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I've used the Elb in my EQ with a 18mm female to 18mm male adapter.The adapter sat directly on the heater. The Elb in the top of the adapter with a Hydratube on top. The adapters are going to vary in the aspect of the hole in the 18mm male side. So the Elb will fit in some adapters and not others. The experience is worth it however. It turned the Eq into a much better machine.

... that time when you're enjoying your session too much and forget to put the lid back on your ELB. Looks like I'm cleaning glass today.

Hey all today come my VapexHale Cloude Evo whit Hydratube ( EU Plug )... Ever when i start it turns the LED Red and Green whit flicking and do not start up to heating.... Tomorrow i sent it back and hope for a new one =(

That sucks Pete. I've used the cloud/evo for so long it's just a habit to cap it off. Can't wait to vape with the evo after I get off work. Fucked my foot up yesterday and now I can't run for a few days. Bums me out so bad. And I have a half marathon coming up. Bad timing.
Least I have the evo to ease the pain

Edit- who else is rocking a old-school hydra tube On their evo

MichaelCompton said:

That sucks Pete. I've used the cloud/evo for so long it's just a habit to cap it off. Can't wait to vape with the evo after I get off work. Fucked my foot up yesterday and now I can't run for a few days. Bums me out so bad. And I have a half marathon coming up. Bad timing.
Least I have the evo to ease the pain

Edit- who else is rocking a old-school hydra tube On their evo

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Do you like to run whilst high?

MichaelCompton said:

Edit- who else is rocking a old-school hydra tube On their evo

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Me. I use the beta HT from when we were testing the original Cloud. Thing is basic and sweet...thick ass glass, shower perc with ice pinches and hardly any can to clear.

@Dashow - that sucks