Underdog Log Vapes

underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
ZC said:
One of my screens has a few brown spots on it. It almost looks like rust, but I suspect they're scorch marks from when I had the screen too close and I combusted. Has anyone encountered this and is there a way to clean the brown marks off the screen? Iso/salt didn't help.
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Hmm.. weird. Maybe it's a stain from some oil in a particular piece of herb. The only other thing I can think of is maybe spots of discoloration from a particularly hot part of the core or something.


HellsWindStaff said:
Had a few quick ?'s

* see ya did another refresh, will their be more through September?

* the air core, is that what's on the Mini's?

Love that fire maple up and a few of the others :D decisions, decisions
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There probably won't be another until the last week of September unless pieces start to run low in which case I'll probably push a smaller refresh through sooner.

The Mini uses a miniaturized Air Core that's shorter than the normal ones but they look the same other than that height difference.
 
HellsWindStaff

HellsWindStaff

Dharma Initiate
Thank you, I have a standard so the air it is :) the Bocote caught my eye anyways

Edit: + I want a custom one done in a few months; and I'd want it standard so air core seems Righ. I actually really like The aesthetics of the ACs, least how my mini is shaped.

Edit 2: id love to have a worldly collection of UDs, Bocote for CA/SA, Movingui for Africa, Walnut for NA, and I'm eying Amboyna Burl for Asia, and some Olivewood for EU, and either Gum or the Austraikian Silky Wood for down under :D

Edit 3: Damn I'm sorry I keep posting lol, but VERY impressed by the selection of stem types...I remember when it was just GonG, DD, or Nylon. Grabbed two of the 18mm Nylons and two of the 14mm GonG's. I thought I was going to have to load up on more long 14mm stems I don't ever use :p
 
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CurryLeafTreehugger

CurryLeafTreehugger

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OK so I got a Firefly vaporizer something like 2 months ago now, and after a month of disappointing results finally decided there must be something wrong with it. If not, there is something wrong with the way that I use it that I cannot understand or fix. Either way, I have to send it back and will be vape-less for at least 3 or 4 weeks. Even if/when it comes back or is replaced, at this point even looking at it is somewhat traumatic.

In any case I need some other kind of vaporizer, and I have been disapointed or underwhelmed by everything else I've looked at. I'm out the nearly $300 I spent on the FF and accoutrements, which is also painful.

Someone suggested on a thread the mods moved my pleas for help to (which they have since locked I-don't-know-why, I am VERY confused about all this) that "every body loves a log vape", plus someone else suggusted a log vape on that thread.

Only problem is - I have no idea what a log vape is. I came to this thread from the Myrtlezap thread. I have looked at the website, and I am confused.

How does this work? Are you supposed to use it with a bong?

Basically I want something that is consistent, easy to use, not finicky like the FF seems to be (which people admitted to only AFTER they had convinced me to buy one, LOL!), somewhat stealth, doesn't take up a lot of space, isn't terribly fragile, doesn't require a lot of manual dexterity.

It DOES NOT need to be portable. It DOES need to be easy to pack away and not take up a lot of space.

I thought maybe the Plenty - but I've been told it will not handle smaller amounts of product and I should look elsewhere.

I thought maybe the Mighty - but it is $400, requires $100 (counting shipping) to get a battery replacement every year or two, and there are multiple issues surrounding removing the cooling unit that boil down to the plastic getting soft from the heat of vaping - which CANNOT be a good thing. If it gets soft enough to be damaged if you remove the cooling unit before it cools down, what am I potentially sucking into my lungs?

I looked at your website at the different options, read through most of the FAQ, and am totally confused.

I tried going back to lighting it on fire, but smoking after all these years (I've not smoked in decades and only tried vaping with my purchase of the Firefly) is extremely unpleasant. I also wonder how second hand smoke affects my birds (I have a pair of finches). Plus - and this really puts a cork in that idea - it makes my roommate really nervous as there is a no-smoking clause in our lease.

I want something that isn't too bulky, isn't obviously paraphernalia, is easy to clean and use, doesn't require you to pack large amounts into it at one time, and won't be too hot and harsh. Hopefully it won't involve a lot of glass. Fragile things don't like me any more as I have become rather more than less dropsy these days, plus your typical bong breaks Rule 1 - don't be too bulky, and obviously nukes Rule 2, LOL!

Help?
 
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ZC

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@CurryLeafTreehugger

So when people are mentioning log vapes, they're talking about vapes like the Heat Island (HI), Underdog, or E-nano. I'd recommend checking out those threads/websites to see what they're all about. They're not portable, but they are extremely easy to tuck away when not in use. And I think they otherwise fit all your requirements for a vape. Very simple and easy to use, reliable, etc. Given your problems with the firefly I'd recommend the Underdog because their customer service is top notch and incredibly quick. Plus they're currently having a sale and come with lots of stem options. The SS/nylon stem might be perfect for you.

The Zion seems to perform similarly to a classic log vape but it's somewhat different. If portability is not important to you it might not be worth the extra cash and hassle to purchase and maintain batteries for it, but if you need a portable with tons of power it seems to be one of the best options out there.
 
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Likes2vape

Likes2vape

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The Underdog is just what you're looking for. You can leave it plugged in 24/7 so its always ready to go or plug it in as needed and wait 20-30 minutes for it to warm up. It is very inconspicuous and doesn't look like a vape at all plus you can get the aroma cups and just tell people its an aromatherapy device. It's wood so literally you can toss it to a friend, drop it on the floor, step on it , etc. and it will not break it. Very easy to store away and is not bulky at all. It can be used dry or with a water pipe.
 
woolspinner

woolspinner

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CurryLeafTreehugger said:
OK so I got a Firefly vaporizer something like 2 months ago now, and after a month of disappointing results finally decided there must be something wrong with it. If not, there is something wrong with the way that I use it that I cannot understand or fix. Either way, I have to send it back and will be vape-less for at least 3 or 4 weeks. Even if/when it comes back or is replaced, at this point even looking at it is somewhat traumatic.

In any case I need some other kind of vaporizer, and I have been disapointed or underwhelmed by everything else I've looked at. I'm out the nearly $300 I spent on the FF and accoutrements, which is also painful.

Someone suggested on a thread the mods moved my pleas for help to (which they have since locked I-don't-know-why, I am VERY confused about all this) that "every body loves a log vape", plus someone else suggusted a log vape on that thread.

Only problem is - I have no idea what a log vape is. I came to this thread from the Myrtlezap thread. I have looked at the website, and I am confused.

How does this work? Are you supposed to use it with a bong?

Basically I want something that is consistent, easy to use, not finicky like the FF seems to be (which people admitted to only AFTER they had convinced me to buy one, LOL!), somewhat stealth, doesn't take up a lot of space, isn't terribly fragile, doesn't require a lot of manual dexterity.

It DOES NOT need to be portable. It DOES need to be easy to pack away and not take up a lot of space.

I thought maybe the Plenty - but I've been told it will not handle smaller amounts of product and I should look elsewhere.

I thought maybe the Mighty - but it is $400, requires $100 (counting shipping) to get a battery replacement every year or two, and there are multiple issues surrounding removing the cooling unit that boil down to the plastic getting soft from the heat of vaping - which CANNOT be a good thing. If it gets soft enough to be damaged if you remove the cooling unit before it cools down, what am I potentially sucking into my lungs?

I looked at your website at the different options, read through most of the FAQ, and am totally confused.

I tried going back to lighting it on fire, but smoking after all these years (I've not smoked in decades and only tried vaping with my purchase of the Firefly) is extremely unpleasant. I also wonder how second hand smoke affects my birds (I have a pair of finches). Plus - and this really puts a cork in that idea - it makes my roommate really nervous as there is a no-smoking clause in our lease.

I want something that isn't too bulky, isn't obviously paraphernalia, is easy to clean and use, doesn't require you to pack large amounts into it at one time, and won't be too hot and harsh. Hopefully it won't involve a lot of glass. Fragile things don't like me any more as I have become rather more than less dropsy these days, plus your typical bong breaks Rule 1 - don't be too bulky, and obviously nukes Rule 2, LOL!

Help?
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The UD is my second vape purchase, the Haze being first. I think it took a little adjusting to, since there are no temperature controls, but it has not been difficult.

It is definitely very good at product conservation! I actually think it is better than my Haze in that department. The bowl is quite small on the direct draw glass tube and even smaller, I believe, on the nylon.

The UD is lovely to look at and not immediately identifiable as a device through which one might consume cannabis.

And it can be an always on vaporizer, ready when you are, although I understand that may wear out the device faster, but I do not know how fast that is, since I have only had mine for a week or so.

I think a log vape may fit your needs.
 
CurryLeafTreehugger

CurryLeafTreehugger

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Can someone explain to me the difference between the stems that are available?

Also, I'm somewhat concerned about how difficult/easy it might be to get the screen in there. Manual dexterity is no longer my strong suit. I used to be a goldsmith - technically, though I only ever worked in silver. Can't do that anymore, can't keep hold of the itty bitty bits. I can still take a turn on the potter's wheel though! But - poking itsy bitsy screens into a long narrow tube may be a challenge.
 
Madcap79

Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
CurryLeafTreehugger said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between the stems that are available?

Also, I'm somewhat concerned about how difficult/easy it might be to get the screen in there. Manual dexterity is no longer my strong suit. I used to be a goldsmith - technically, though I only ever worked in silver. Can't do that anymore, can't keep hold of the itty bitty bits. I can still take a turn on the potter's wheel though! But - poking itsy bitsy screens into a long narrow tube may be a challenge.
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When in doubt, get a variety. The nylon stems with the stainless steel tip will conserve your herb the most, in my opinion. Although, it would be the hardest to change the screen. Screens don't need to be changed very often though and can be cleaned fairly easily with ISO alcohol.

The glass stems will give you a slightly larger bowl but you can still use them with small amounts of herb. Some people like the 'purity of taste' glass has to offer. To me, the nylon doesn't really give off any flavor. Some are more sensitive to it though.

Feel free to ask any questions. We're here to help!
 
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ZC

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CurryLeafTreehugger said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between the stems that are available?

Also, I'm somewhat concerned about how difficult/easy it might be to get the screen in there. Manual dexterity is no longer my strong suit. I used to be a goldsmith - technically, though I only ever worked in silver. Can't do that anymore, can't keep hold of the itty bitty bits. I can still take a turn on the potter's wheel though! But - poking itsy bitsy screens into a long narrow tube may be a challenge.
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Well first off, the stems all come with screens installed, so you shouldn't need to replace them for a while.
Secondly, replacing the screens is fairly easy. The extra screens come pre-formed, so they fit easily into the glass tube. Then you just use anything thin enough, a stirring too, small screwdriver, anything, to push it to your desired distance. Without knowing the extent of your dexterity problems I can't say for sure it'll be "easy" but it should be pretty manageable, and luckily not something you'll have to do too often. You might be able to even just drop the screen on the table, push the tube over it, and then push it in.

As for stem types, there are two major kinds, direct draw or adapters for glass. The stems that say either GonG or NonG are for using the UD with a water pipe. If you're not planning on doing that (it sounds like you want simpler) then I wouldn't pay much attention to those. If you do want them, they're pretty simple. they either use a pure glass on glass connection to the water pipe or they use a nylon adapter and stainless steel bowl.

Direct draw is essentially a straw with a screen in it. I have both the thick and thin glass direct draw stems, and to be honest they're not much different. One just has slightly thicker tubing, but in use it's not a big deal. The thicker one might be more likely to survive a drop, though.

The nylon direct is kind of a "one hitter" it uses a very tiny stainless steel bowl and then a long nylon stem. This one will definitely survive some abuse so if you're worried about breaking glass, this is the way to go. The small SS bowl is incredibly efficient though I think the taste isn't quite as good as it is with glass.

The nice thing about buying an underdog though is you don't have to make too many stem decisions since they provide you with 4 of your choice, so just pick a few that seem appealing to you and figure out which ones you like!
 
ctxgooner

ctxgooner

gooner
CurryLeafTreehugger said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between the stems that are available?

Also, I'm somewhat concerned about how difficult/easy it might be to get the screen in there. Manual dexterity is no longer my strong suit. I used to be a goldsmith - technically, though I only ever worked in silver. Can't do that anymore, can't keep hold of the itty bitty bits. I can still take a turn on the potter's wheel though! But - poking itsy bitsy screens into a long narrow tube may be a challenge.
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It doesnt require a tremendous amount of force,but it does need some....if you can open a bottle still then you should be able to......and once the screen is in there,there is no need to take it out for awhile.....you can take the stem,with the screen inside,and clean with iso.....its just when you first put the screen in the stem you need a little bit of force....
 
RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
With the formed screens all I found I need are a long poker and a chopstick to change 'em.

I still use the old style stems with the flat screens a lot and have never needed to change one but just soak the stem overnight with ISO in the tube it came in then rinse with warm water, let it dry and it's good to go. Been using two of 'em like this for over a year now.
 
Likes2vape

Likes2vape

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Snappo said:
I would always take good care not to toss any wood log vape around, drop it on the floor, or step on it. Wood and internal heating components are not indestructible.
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I have found it to be pretty indestructible. I have dropped it, pulled it on the floor by the cord and tripped on it when I was looking for it. I'm kind of a klutz.

Not that I recommend you do any of that but more than likely it will survive if it should happen to take a tumble.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
Likes2vape said:
I have found it to be pretty indestructible. I have dropped it, pulled it on the floor by the cord and tripped on it when I was looking for it. I'm kind of a klutz.

Not that I recommend you do any of that but more than likely it will survive if it should happen to take a tumble.
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I think the moral is, yes it's durable but who has the heart to abuse their pup. Take care of these little guys.
 
underdog

underdog

shade-tree vapor engineer
Manufacturer
Heya Dogs, happy Friday.. hope you have something fun lined up for the weekend so you have good Dogs stories to share come Monday. :cool:


Likes2vape said:
The Underdog is just what you're looking for. You can leave it plugged in 24/7 so its always ready to go or plug it in as needed and wait 20-30 minutes for it to warm up. It is very inconspicuous and doesn't look like a vape at all plus you can get the aroma cups and just tell people its an aromatherapy device. It's wood so literally you can toss it to a friend, drop it on the floor, step on it , etc. and it will not break it. Very easy to store away and is not bulky at all. It can be used dry or with a water pipe.
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All good points! Sounds like you're enjoying your Pup and it's many uses. :tup:


CurryLeafTreehugger said:
Can someone explain to me the difference between the stems that are available?

Also, I'm somewhat concerned about how difficult/easy it might be to get the screen in there. Manual dexterity is no longer my strong suit. I used to be a goldsmith - technically, though I only ever worked in silver. Can't do that anymore, can't keep hold of the itty bitty bits. I can still take a turn on the potter's wheel though! But - poking itsy bitsy screens into a long narrow tube may be a challenge.
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I suspect you've already got it all figured out but if not let us know and we can try and explain the various stem stuff. As far as the screens go it's not hard to replace them and with good use habits (emptying right after use while the ABV is hot, etc) they rarely need cleaned/replaced. It's easiest to clean them in place too without removing them from the stems.. usually just needs an ISO soak and rinse.

Once you have a Dog and the time arrives to replace a screen post again and we'll make sure you go about it the easy way. :nod:


Snappo said:
I would always take good care not to toss any wood log vape around, drop it on the floor, or step on it. Wood and internal heating components are not indestructible.
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All good points as well.. we build things as tough as we can within reason but nothing is indestructible. Ironically enough the newest design cores (Standard and Air) are the toughest we've ever built but 'feel' the most fragile when handling the vapes.


KidFated. said:
My new pup heats up so fucking fast.. 10 minutes and I'm hitting it through water for complete extraction. :rockon:
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Yeah this newest batch or two are running really hot.. both in heat up time and top end heat. Hope you're enjoying it!


Snappo said:
That's what I keep telling folks ...these dogs heat up FAST!!! Mine is ready for full extraction in 5 minutes (cranked up to 13.8V and back down to 12.5v)!!!
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Always pushing the envelope there Snappo lol.. the Dogs will take it though and be ready to play whenever you are. The newer stainless steel cartridge based Dogs are especially good at taking this kind of 'abuse' since they don't tend to crack like glass coated resistors or ceramic cartridges under aggressive temperature changes.


RUDE BOY said:
With the formed screens all I found I need are a long poker and a chopstick to change 'em.

I still use the old style stems with the flat screens a lot and have never needed to change one but just soak the stem overnight with ISO in the tube it came in then rinse with warm water, let it dry and it's good to go. Been using two of 'em like this for over a year now.
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Pokers and chopsticks are good DIY stem/screen tools. We do usually try and include a length of dowel with formed screen packs so people don't have to find something the right size/length but more options are always good.


Likes2vape said:
I have found it to be pretty indestructible. I have dropped it, pulled it on the floor by the cord and tripped on it when I was looking for it. I'm kind of a klutz.

Not that I recommend you do any of that but more than likely it will survive if it should happen to take a tumble.
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I could write a book on the inadvertent abuse I've put my Dogs through over the years.. in almost all cases the Pups came out not much worse for the wear lol.


NickDlow said:
I think the moral is, yes it's durable but who has the heart to abuse their pup. Take care of these little guys.
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People sometimes ask for videos or pics of destructive testing on UDs.. kind of like the videos Tom from Purple Days had of him throwing PDs around, running them over with the truck, etc. I've tried a few times to make a video like that but it's really hard to intentionally abuse a Pup so I haven't had much luck. :\
 
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SSVUN~YAH

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