The Arizer Air

rubixcub3 said:

What you guys think of this compared to flowermate?

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I'm only familiar with the FM from a technical standpoint, having read the thread and seen enough videos as well as reading reviews and opinions on it. I have read and seen that it's easy to overwhelm the heater on the Flowermate. Also gotta grind fine and pack tight-ish and full for best performance. Those are kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to the Solo and Air. I mention both because they use the same overall heating system (ceramic heating element under stainless steel in a "log vape" fashion with stems) even though you get more usable temperatures with the Solo as well as longer battery life, but it's not as sleek as the Air and it also can't swap batteries on the fly. On top of that when full the Flower Mate will need a lot more herb than the Solo or Air stems using 50% less material or even more. I see (and sometimes make ) all these videos of the Solo and Air milking glass with ease, and without struggling halfway through the pull. @OF is right, size-wise Air is not going to win against the FM Mini. For what it's worth my Solo has been in use for quite some time now... Since Jan 3rd of last year, minimum 2 sessions a day, sometimes upwards of 6+ a day depending on if I am with others. It's working just as well as it was the day I got it. There have been very few failures with the Air too which is really nice. Arizer pretty much came out of nowhere with a finished product and with no real marketing, the only improvements they've made I feel have been ones that were emailed to them from people. Battery meter thing on the lights I think is the only thing that was improved, it wasn't like they had to release a new updated vaporizer you had to buy to get the vital improvements on. If money isn't an issue and you're after consistent vapor quality both the Solo and Air are miles ahead of what the FM will provide. Yeah it's gonna cost more money but it's well worth it IMO.

Episode666 said:

With the Air, 1 puff = 1 wow.

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Episode666 said:

Air > Flowermate without hesitation. Of all the differences, the one I appreciate the most is that the unit itself is maintenance free. The glass stems do need an occasional iso soak, but when your collection grows to 4 - 5 of them, you pretty much always have a clean one handy. The Flowermate performs nicely when you pack it perfectly, but the Air performs better no matter how you pack it. You load a pinch in it and you get tasty clouds; you pack tightly and you get more clouds, for longer. When you pack the FM just right you say "WOW" maybe once or twice a bowl. With the Air, 1 puff = 1 wow.

I still love my Flowermate Mini, but I don't think they are in the same league at all.



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Why don't you start a thread comparing the two? Use the ask FC section.
Very true there haven't been very many FCers with failed units. It seems to be very well made. I've mentioned about dropping mine and had no problems, just a scratch.

It was a real surprise to the Arizer fans when this unit came out. I had to get one on Black Friday (right after it came out) of last year and my unit still works perfect. I had to be in a hurry and I didn't get the one with the battery indicator.

CarolKing said:

Why don't you start a thread comparing the two? Use the ask FC section.
Very true there haven't been very many FCers with failed units. It seems to be very well made. I've mentioned about dropping mine and had no problems, just a scratch.

It was a real surprise to the Arizer fans when this unit came out. I had to get one on Black Friday (right after it came out) of last year and my unit still works perfect. I had to be in a hurry and I didn't get the one with the battery indicator.

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The battery meter on the Air is worthless. You are not missing anything.

sickmanfraud said:

The battery meter on the Air is worthless. You are not missing anything.

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I find the battery meter very useful. I often accidentally leave a discharged battery in there, means I can check the rough status of the one in there quickly and easily before taking the Air somewhere to use for a bit. If it's on red when I pick it up I can quickly swap out the dead battery rather than the unit dying mid session when I'm potentially not near to a fully charged battery.

CarolKing said:

Very true there haven't been very many FCers with failed units.

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I agree with this, it does seem very reliable from reading this thread. However, I have a problem with my unit since last week. My Air buttons no longer click, and the button now feels a little loose. It still works OK, but makes selecting temperature or turning on harder as more force is required and there's no feedback to your fingers from the click. I didn't realise how much this would bother me until it's gone, but it makes selecting temps blind almost impossible, as without the click you can't be sure each press has registered without looking at the status light.

spiggot said:

I find the battery meter very useful. I often accidentally leave a discharged battery in there, means I can check the rough status of the one in there quickly and easily before taking the Air somewhere to use for a bit. If it's on red when I pick it up I can quickly swap out the dead battery rather than the unit dying mid session when I'm potentially not near to a fully charged battery.



I agree with this, it does seem very reliable from reading this thread. However, I have a problem with my unit since last week. My Air buttons no longer click, and the button now feels a little loose. It still works OK, but makes selecting temperature or turning on harder as more force is required and there's no feedback to your fingers from the click. I didn't realise how much this would bother me until it's gone, but it makes selecting temps blind almost impossible, as without the click you can't be sure each press has registered without looking at the status light.

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You are under warranty. Let us know how well Arizer deals with the problem.

Now may be the time to break out the back up vape. If the Air is your only vape, this may be a good time to consider a second vape.

Good luck

sickmanfraud said:

You are under warranty. Let us know how well Arizer deals with the problem.

Now may be the time to break out the back up vape. If the Air is your only vape, this may be a good time to consider a second vape.

Good luck

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Thanks.

Arizer are going to arrange return to UK service centre, which is handy for me so I don't have high overseas shipping charges. I'll report back on how it goes, I don't have the details from them yet.

I've been asking around to get the best price on a second Air so I'm not without one. I'm not sure I could go back to my Pinnacle now, or the hassle setting up my Extreme-Q when I want to use it. Randy at PIU has given me a good offer I'm considering, and I've had couple of offers from UK suppliers I've contacted. The only person not to respond yet is @PlanetVape, where I originally brought the Air from, which is disappointing. That was using the website form rather than on fc. I had asked them if I had the option of returning to them, but as Arizer have said I can return to the UK this is less of an issue. I thought they would at least respond to my question on pricing though.

I suppose I should consider something different to get some variety, but I like the Air so much more than my other couple of vapes I own that I think I might be disappointed if I get something else.

There's a battery meter? Something other than the low battery indicator?

spiggot said:

I find the battery meter very useful. I often accidentally leave a discharged battery in there, means I can check the rough status of the one in there quickly and easily before taking the Air somewhere to use for a bit. If it's on red when I pick it up I can quickly swap out the dead battery rather than the unit dying mid session when I'm potentially not near to a fully charged battery.

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The top button on my first iPhone did something like this (after using it for a couple years); maybe the same thing. It sucked. I couldn't turn off the phone, or take screenshots. It made the phone very un-fun to use, and impossible to do certain things.

I bet that doesn't happen to most iPhones.

Aimless Ryan said:

There's a battery meter? Something other than the low battery indicator?



The top button on my first iPhone did something like this (after using it for a couple years); maybe the same thing. It sucked. I couldn't turn off the phone, or take screenshots. It made the phone very un-fun to use, and impossible to do certain things.

I bet that doesn't happen to most iPhones.

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Maybe a faulty switch? It's not like I've even used it that much, and the Arizer rep hadn't heard of it happening before.

@spiggot One of my Solos have a button that doesn't click when pushing in it feels like I might have a bit of herb trapped along the edge. I've tried with a tiny needle to scape along the edge but I didn't want to do too much and break the button. I just left as is. It doesn't cause any problems, mine isn't loose in any way. I've tried shaking it and turning it upside down with no luck.

If your button is loose though it's only going to get worse. You might want to think about warranty soon.

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The reason I suggested to use the warranty possibly because it's something that you said changed about your unit. I would listen to @OF. He's our go to guy, he would be who I would listen to.
So never mind as to what I said.

CarolKing said:

If your button is loose though it's only going to get worse. You might want to think about warranty soon.

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I'm not so sure I agree with this part, but understand the idea. The button we see is just a mechanical part that rests on the switch proper that's mounted to the circuit board below. The button is part of the case, some are sure to be tighter/looser than others but within limits that won't effect the switch action.

I'd be leery of one that changes, of course, but I would not expect it to degrade over time. If it were mine, I'd use it and keep an eye on it. If it didn't degrade more, I'd vape on?

The OP's call, of course.

OF

Okay, it's perfected. High heat bulb, adjustable arm, dry herb in no time. My AA loves it...
and the red light is so cool when you're vaked (be careful if you use this set up, get's HOT, herb dries quick) Notice wood cutting board under glass tray to insulate desk from heat. First time I did it, the glass conducted right to the wood on desk - keep your eye on this set up, don't leave unattended.

Bravesst said:

Okay, it's perfected. High heat bulb, adjustable arm, dry herb in no time. My AA loves it...
and the red light is so cool when you're vaked (be careful if you use this set up, get's HOT, herb dries quick) Notice wood cutting board under glass tray to insulate desk from heat. First time I did it, the glass conducted right to the wood on desk - keep your eye on this set up, don't leave unattended.

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This looks and sounds mildly dangerous and I like that.

OF said:

If it didn't degrade more, I'd vape on?

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I'm not so sure I agree with this part.

If I pay good money (and $150 is good money in my book), I want the unit to work the way it is designed to work. If it's harder to turn on than it should be, and it's harder to change the temps than it should be, and I didn't do anything unusual to cause that problem, I'd use that warranty rather than waiting for things to get worse.

Different strokes?

GetLeft said:

Different strokes?

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Perhaps. Only one opinion really counts. I believe I said it was your call? If not I intended to.

OF

You gotta see the inside of most NYC firehouses.... I've actually been to about half dozen good blazes in firehouse kitchens (those damn french fries). You can imagine what it's like spending so much time in a 100 year old glorified garage. More extension cords with 100 plugs, AC only one one setting (super high)...

Quetzalcoatl said:

This looks and sounds mildly dangerous and I like that.

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ME TOO!!!
Obviously, in my own home it's a different story, but I'm confident in my ability to gauge a "little bit dangerous" and actually dangerous... Nothing like experience.

GetLeft said:

I'm not so sure I agree with this part.

If I pay good money (and $150 is good money in my book), I want the unit to work the way it is designed to work. If it's harder to turn on than it should be, and it's harder to change the temps than it should be, and I didn't do anything unusual to cause that problem, I'd use that warranty rather than waiting for things to get worse.

Different strokes?

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@OF knows more about the mechanics and how these vaporizers are built and electronics too. I added an edit to my post on the previous page and suggested listening to OF.

I saw an Arizer Air in the classifieds if you are looking for a second or a first unit.

CarolKing said:

@OF knows more about the mechanics and how these vaporizers are built and electronics too. I added an edit to my post on the previous page and suggested listening to OF.

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Thank you very much for the confidence, but I think you should stick by your opinion......IMO it has merit as well. Worth considering. I see the goal here as discussing ideas to give each other the best possible options to consider? Informed decisions mean more than one set of opinions more often than not.

OF

CarolKing said:

@spiggot One of my Solos have a button that doesn't click when pushing in it feels like I might have a bit of herb trapped along the edge. I've tried with a tiny needle to scape along the edge but I didn't want to do too much and break the button. I just left as is. It doesn't cause any problems, mine isn't loose in any way. I've tried shaking it and turning it upside down with no luck.

If your button is loose though it's only going to get worse. You might want to think about warranty soon.

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The reason I suggested to use the warranty possibly because it's something that you said changed about your unit. I would listen to @OF. He's our go to guy, he would be who I would listen to.
So never mind as to what I said.

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I have tried cleaning around the button, which is what Arizer first suggested. I've also tried blowing into the unit to see if that helps dislodge something causing the problem, but nothing I've tried has worked. I can't be sure without opening it up, which of course I'm not going to do while it's under warranty, but it feels like the button has broken, rather than just stuck due to debris.

I value all of the opinions of regular posters on here, it's a great forum, but I've decided that I am going to return it since it's affecting my enjoyment of an otherwise great product. Also if it does get worse to the point that it fails completely I will feel foolish for ignoring this early warning that something is not quite right with it.

I also feel like I've paid for the Warranty so therefore I should be using it, as post sales support costs Arizer money, which no doubt has to be incorporated into the original cost of the product that I purchased.

I'm currently waiting on a response from an Arizer "UK distributor" so I can return it to them. I'm told to expect to wait 1-3 days for this, first contact with Arizer was 2 days ago. I think I will wait until I hear from them to find out expected turnaround time before deciding whether to buy a spare unit to tide me over.

Quetzalcoatl said:

This looks and sounds mildly dangerous and I like that.

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Well, it is (mildly dangerous). The warning about don't take your eye off the heat lamp applies. I first smell some sweet vape (not vaping), and I look at my heat contraption, and sure enough, it's not burning (YET), but giving off some vapor - not that visible, but smellable. It did ABV it a bit, in less than a minute. Heat source way to close, I was trying to rush things. If you follow the manufacturers directions with the bulb, 18 inches is where you wanna be. Remember, my goal is get moisture out, no cook my herb.

Herb even tasted a bit "done"... thank God is was just gram or so.

CarolKing said:

@OF knows more about the mechanics and how these vaporizers are built and electronics too.

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No one is questioning OF's knowledge nor his good will. He's pulled his own vapes apart to study them from the perspective of both electrical engineer and consumer for the benefit of us, the consumers, most of whom don't have such expertise.

However, the mindful consumer deserves to know everything, the good and the bad. That's what makes a forum like this such a valuable resource. If someone notices a defect with the AA switch, as an AA owner I want to know about it (and I have come to expect to learn about such things here). I think prospective AA purchasers want to know about it, too. And Arizer should want to know about it.

GetLeft said:

No one is questioning OF's knowledge nor his good will. He's pulled his own vapes apart to study them from the perspective of both electrical engineer and consumer for the benefit of us, the consumers, most of whom don't have such expertise.

However, the mindful consumer deserves to know everything, the good and the bad. That's what makes a forum like this such a valuable resource. If someone notices a defect with the AA switch, as an AA owner I want to know about it (and I have come to expect to learn about such things here). I think prospective AA purchasers want to know about it, too. And Arizer should want to know about it.

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This is page 242 of this forum, how many folks had to return units??

I think that the AA is a very reliable vape and prospective customers should know that too.

Hey everyone,

Has anyone ordered stems from dhgate:

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Seems a bit weird but might be a great deal if the quality is there...

collegerower said:

Hey everyone,

Has anyone ordered stems from dhgate:

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Seems a bit weird but might be a great deal if the quality is there...

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Good find. Shame it's just as I've ordered more stems last week these show up.

These look like they're the newer style stems, with smaller standardized holes. The older style, that I prefer, has larger holes poked through while the glass is hot. (according to Arizer) Standardized holes are better as they're more uniform, I just wish they decided on a larger size, as many people use screens anyway.

I received curved Solo stems recently from two different Arizer approved stockists, and got different types from each. The holes are quite noticeably smaller on the newer ones. I'm told Arizer do flow tests on them to ensure adequate throughput, but personally I think the larger holes do let more vapour through, even if they sometimes are different sizes and shapes using the old method.

I do question that last pic though. It includes the original Air stems too, yet from what I can see they're not even selling them, just the two Solo ones.

collegerower said:

Hey everyone,

Has anyone ordered stems from dhgate:

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Seems a bit weird but might be a great deal if the quality is there...

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These Stems are same price $7-$10 all day on ebay , free shipping and U.S. sellers. When i clicked your link and clicked the bent stem they wanted $7.

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