So the Beta Team has been kicking around some killer ideas and concepts and a few are just killer. Maybe we can draw them to share?
Dual 18650 Power House
- Thread starter RastaBuddhaTao
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VapourHaze
Rexcornish on IG, Vaping since '02
Dont be a tease!
Fair enough... I will frame it up. Given that there are multiple batteries and multiple length batteries of the same cross-section and multiple voltage batteries in the 18650 package that the voltage versatility is darn right silly. This gives you the ability to explore the many personalities of the Zion heater technology. I take little credit for the details (team please share) of how this is an insanely cool thing... Hats off to the Team. Hmmm, wonder what makes them so amazingly creative?
natural farmer
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![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
There are two common voltages for 18650s: 3.7V (IMR chemistry for vape use) and 3.2V (LiFePO4). You can therefore use 2x3.2V batteries or 2x3.7V. Another idea is to make it work with only a single battery in place. If that happened, you could get 3.2V, 3.7V, 6.4V, or 7.4V. Then we have 18350s. Four 3.2V 18350s give a 12.8V configuration, and four 3.7V 18350s result in an insane 14.8V. Those last two might be a little bit excessive. 
HD Springer
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Oh man pak wow you were talking enough to start/fry my Harley. Jesus that would be a dabber if I ever heard of 1. I like the way you think.
The batteries are in series. For huge capacity, they would need to be in parallel and you'd be limited to 3.2V or 3.7V. Now if you could flip a switch and convert from series to parallel...
Edit: No wait! Since you're switching the chambers from series to parallel, you could stack 18350s in each chamber and still get 6.4V or 7.4V but with large capacity.
HD Springer
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This is crazy way above my head and I love it. I do know how to load and rip. Storing properly still evades me. But I've since changed my ways. These are great ideas. Flipping a switch to change configurations is boss. Damn these Saturday/Sunday morning gatherings are pretty awesome. I have had a blast with them.
Flipping between series and parallel is something that only occurred to me as I wrote that last post. It's never been brought up before that I can recall.
HD Springer
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Truly spitting thoughts out. It felt like a very fluid thought. And a great idea. Seriously.
I'm not aware of one that can sustain more than 10A. Do you have a link?
Your question about tuning the heater is a good one. It might not be possible to have a heater that can handle the entire range I described, but only @RastaBuddhaTao can answer that.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Sorry Dude, completely over my head... Whoosh
He made a sarcastic remark. I missed it. So did you apparently.
RBT will be "lights out" for the next month to ensure that the Zion release goes smoothly. @thekarmawhore will continue to refine the designs of the manual units unless the Zion requires his expertise. As always, crowdbrain away!
Things to note: The first 50 manual units are open to international shipping so don't miss that opportunity. There have been several inquires for change of address, shipping and customs cost, and refunds. We will be contacting each customer prior to order fulfillment to see if batteries, chargers, screens or stems are required as well as any changes to shipping. If you have any urgent issues with your order please complete our online form as it is our official method for tracking customer issues.
See ya all in October.
Things to note: The first 50 manual units are open to international shipping so don't miss that opportunity. There have been several inquires for change of address, shipping and customs cost, and refunds. We will be contacting each customer prior to order fulfillment to see if batteries, chargers, screens or stems are required as well as any changes to shipping. If you have any urgent issues with your order please complete our online form as it is our official method for tracking customer issues.
See ya all in October.
IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
Yesterday and today have been Powerhouse TOD days. Man. Just a pinch and the first hit is such an enjoyable flavor blast. So damn quick.
Screens: i like the stock screens currently better than than EZB'S and Extreme Elbow screens. The screen also tends to stay very clean, and conduction seems to help clean the screen ala the bottom screen on the Herbalizer.
I still feel the glass tube needs a cap, case, or something so it can be thrown loaded in your pocket for on the go or you can take a puff or two and repocket without spilling.
Sorry for lack of video. I promise eventually i will get you all one. Very fun vape to use, very quick, and takes up very little real estate.
Screens: i like the stock screens currently better than than EZB'S and Extreme Elbow screens. The screen also tends to stay very clean, and conduction seems to help clean the screen ala the bottom screen on the Herbalizer.
I still feel the glass tube needs a cap, case, or something so it can be thrown loaded in your pocket for on the go or you can take a puff or two and repocket without spilling.
Sorry for lack of video. I promise eventually i will get you all one. Very fun vape to use, very quick, and takes up very little real estate.
While i can't answer with certainty, generally speaking heating elament don't mind being "down tuned". It actually prolongs the life of the heater, usually.
It's over powering them that is most likely to cause problems (to increase temp or speeding up heat time for example) .
You just might not be super happy with right where it "lands" from switching batteries... like maybe you'd like it a bit warmer then 3.2v batts, but still cooler then intended bats 3.7v; for example.
Really wonder what this massive heater might run like under half power compared to the smaller heater. Might preform much differently, would predict a bit worse do to extra thermal mass and such. Would be too fun to find out. Wonder a bit about longevity of stacking in the now 18mm mini unit, was under the impression it was intended to run at ~4v give or take a few decimals numbers.
TOD would be grate to make adjustable with a add on module, though. If you use two 350s in one tube that gives the entire second tube to work within for the electronics... never would have thought about that. Lol.
Really cool ideas!
@IAmKrazy2 any more news on the TOD? Any comparisons to your extensive list of past and present units?