Discontinued The Grasshopper

Snappo said:

Puff harder once to keep it activated.

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Perhaps, if you can? You do understand the original idea was direct puffing was making folks cough? If that (coughing) was not an issue to start with........

Lots of restarts might be needed, and since the button is on the end this is most likely a 'two hand deal' if you're sucking on the MP?

Again, I think GH will work best for a subset of potential owners and be 'not so useful' for some/many others. For instance those who want/need milder vapor or can't draw hard enough for whatever reason (including medical), want longer sessions or groups, and so on. It's not going to 'make all other vapes obsolete' IMO.

Time will tell. I still see potential.

OF

OF said:

You do understand the original idea was direct puffing was making folks cough? If that (coughing) was not an issue to start with........

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I believe I "understand" all-too-well, thank you, that comfortably vaping and inhaling vapor is not an innate skill that we humans are born with - it takes practice, experience, and a trained breathing reflex finely attuned to the particular device imparting such vapor. The GH, like all other vaporizers, will require a specialized inhale attenuation to accommodate it's functional characteristics as well as each individual's level of comfort and expectations. The GH, I expect, will require no more, no less.

Snappo said:

The GH, like all other vaporizers, will require a specialized inhale attenuation to accommodate it's functional characteristics as well as each individual's level of comfort and expectations. The GH, I expect, will require no more, no less.

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I guess I don't share the opinion that 'all vapes are basically alike' in these areas. I think some, by their nature are more harsh than others. And while I agree many take a good deal of skill to get good results from, that's not true of all. Many are generally thought 'easy to learn' (like say Solo and Volcano), others not so much so (like say MFLB or Vapman?). Some will easily do things others can't do 'on a bet'. I think right now some take more 'special care' than others, so no matter where GH comes in on that scale it can't be a "no more, no less" deal, any more than you can say one car gets exactly the same mileage as all the rest?

I sure don't expect GH to be all that hard to learn, I just don't see it competing well with other vapes in some applications. Delivering cool, mild vapor to us sippers might be one of those?

Time will tell.

OF

There's still not enough hoppers out yet to drive this thread compared to other FC threads which are usually much more informative. Too many speculations mixed with frustration of the shipping delays. When the pre-order period is over. I bet this thread will be full of info like all the other FC threads. At this point, there's 1 or 2 users per page who actually have the hopper (some do provide informative info).

I'm a long time lurker due to limited experience. I started combusting cannabis in 1969 and have done so more or less daily until about a year ago when I got the MFLB. I haven't deliberately combusted since, I don't like it anymore, fuck combustion. Later I got a Vapman then a Flowermate 5. I still use the MFLB occasionally and the VM daily. The FM5 is a paperweight but I had to try an electronic. I say deliberately because I occasionally over do the torch or the battery and the reported lack of combustion is the primary genesis of my interest in the GH.

My opinion is that most things you can master in less than 2 years aren't generaly worth the effort so I still don't feel qualified to contribute much to discussions of vaporization matters but I've been pretty successful in my chosen profession (40 plus years in retail Pharmacy), mainly due to my customer service skills. Almost everyone agrees that I am superlative in that aspect of my job but that word "almost" is cogent to this discussion I think.

While I have earned a great deal of customer loyalty NO ONE bats 1000 when it comes to pleasing all the people all the time, especially when dealing with those feeling under the weather and spending money they don't have enough of for a product they don't want and would prefer to not need.

Here's what I have learned. People tell me all day long what a great job I've done for them, less than one out of a hundred of those happy customers tell the store manager they are pleased with my service and far less than one of several thousand (happy customers) take the time to write to my boss at corporate to sing my praises.

Back to that "almost"; Let me give some of them a gold brick and they bitch to everyone they know how discourteous it was of me to expect them to carry that heavy load to the bank all by themselves. Exclude those sad souls who are perennially unhappy and still, near 100% of the reasonable remainder complain to the local manager when I've made them unhappy and a considerable portion go on to write to the highest official they can locate at corporate to complain about both me and the store manager (many after I witnessed the manager going far beyond a reasonable effort to please).

Please realize I'm NOT comparing those malcontented types of people to anyone here at FC. The members here are great at self policing and quick to make malcontents aware they are not welcome. Being malcontents, they usually move on to be discontented somewhere else and that's just fine with everyone. I'm just pointing out that humans seem to be much more likely to be vociferous regarding personal unhappiness than they are when extolling merit.

I'm also not saying I never dropped the ball and never fully deserved a complaint; there's a story told that reasonable people nailed the last guy who was rumored to be perfect to a tree when his alleged perfection pissed them off so badly. I have no desire to share in that fate. You think there's perfection in this world or in the vapor industry or any other? S&B have been doing it longer and some say better than anyone. Go read the Crafty thread, plenty of issues from a well respected and long established company with lots of resources. Google "GM recalls" (or any auto manufacturer for that matter). Issues aren't the problem, response to issues is.

In my opinion, based on my experience after I rose to a senior management position in the company I used to work with, the worst response would be for any member of the GH team to join the discussion here at FC at this time. We had exactly one general meeting with all the PICs (Pharmacist in Charge) in our district. Mob mentality took over, we had to fire a couple of people on the spot to remind the rest what was at stake and regain control of the agenda. Mind you, this was a meeting of well paid, well educated, mature, reasonable and responsible professionals with their jobs on the line and with the vice president of the company in attendance (he did the firing). The GH team would be ill advised to risk getting embroiled in controversy when their efforts and concentration are needed elsewhere.

I think they are doing OK, they are responding to individuals on an individual basis and are reported to be sending replacements to those who receive devices with defects. It seems (to me) it's exactly what they are doing at S&B with the Crafty's and Mighty's issues and very few are saying S&B have done them wrong nor are many worried they won't be taken care of. Not bad for a startup like the GH team with limited resources I think.

I'm not the least concerned with the lack of praise from happy users. Like others have said, I'm sure many if not most who have received a perfectly working GH and who are extremely happy with it are busy puffing away and will NEVER take the trouble to rejoice of their pleasure here. It seems (to me) to be an "almost" universal trait of human nature to be quick to condemn and reticent to praise.

Correct me if Im wrong but I feel like those who do own hoppers have decreased sharing info on this thread or stopped altogether. Maybe because of the atmosphere here?

OF said:

I guess I don't share the opinion that 'all vapes are basically alike' in these areas. I think some, by their nature are more harsh than others. And while I agree many take a good deal of skill to get good results from, that's not true of all. Many are generally thought 'easy to learn' (like say Solo and Volcano), others not so much so (like say MFLB or Vapman?). Some will easily do things others can't do 'on a bet'. I think right now some take more 'special care' than others, so no matter where GH comes in on that scale it can't be a "no more, no less" deal, any more than you can say one car gets exactly the same mileage as all the rest?

I sure don't expect GH to be all that hard to learn, I just don't see it competing well with other vapes in some applications. Delivering cool, mild vapor to us sippers might be one of those?

Time will tell.

OF

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Those vapes that are harsh by their nature can be moderated by the user to mitigate to some degree that harshness. Too few reviewers, thus far, can be considered beyond reproach insofar as their vape use experience is concerned. In the case of the GH, you just won't know the answers to any of your posited speculations until you possess and use one yourself (whom I gather has somewhat more vaping experience than the average FC Joe) to finesse the best and worst from this particular vape's nuanced favorables and foibles. I look forward to your review.

skyvaper said:

Correct me if Im wrong but I feel like those who do own hoppers have decreased sharing info on this thread or stopped altogether. Maybe because of the atmosphere here?

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I disagree with that statement. I think most folks want this vaporizer to be successful. The mods keep folks in check. The company hyped this product to the hilt. Folks are expecting great things and I hope that happens. It's been a far less than successful launch. People have short attention spans and can lose interest and I hope that doesn't happen.

Usually we hear from complainers because they are frustrated and need to vent. Most of the time if you have a new vaporizer most folks give it a couple or a few weeks before giving a full review.
I may give an initial statement but wait until I know more about the unit. Most folks have just received there's or are getting shipping notices.

Thanks for the input @CarolKing. I just feel like Ive seen fewer posts from memebers like @BuzzDanklin @midgetsanchez @TheVapeStation @SneakyPeteVaporizers (mentioned video review coming soon) or none at all. Maybe my expectations on sharing are misguided? Maybe I have missed some posts? Im glad you feel like sharing info on this new exciting product by owners has not decreased!

I also appreciate sound feedback and great discussions by some very intelligent members here!

skyvaper said:

Correct me if Im wrong but I feel like those who do own hoppers have decreased sharing info on this thread or stopped altogether. Maybe because of the atmosphere here?

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CarolKing said:

I disagree with that statement.

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While I too disagree with the 'we're so hostile we scare folks away' it's for a different reason than CK. I think folks with first hand experience to share, positive or negative, have been welcomed with open arms. Folks are anxious for information they can trust, for the very reason CK suggests I think. Lots of hype/claims that have failed to 'pan out', some by a LONG shot. We're just trying to figure where the facts are, and as suggested are having to do so without much information offered, and some of that conflicting.

As has been said, when some of the 'old hands' who's experience and perspective we know get theirs things should improve. No offense meant to Members offering honest opinions of course, it's just that the only opinions of use to me have to come from a 'calibrated source'? I already know there are lots of vapes some guys love, others hate. I've no reason to think GH will be much different.

I think it has promise for some if not many/most users. Time will tell.

OF

I should receive a Stainless and Green Ti hoppers on Monday. Good, bad or otherwise I will post my impressions at the end of the week.

I prefer taking vape hits on the go, rather than long sessions. My present vapes include an ESV, Lily, Daisy, Air, PAX1, FV plus a few others I would rather forget.

Thanks for the perspective @OF. I askd my question to guage more seasoned members than myself on where we stood with information sharing. It gets interesting trying to cycle to constructive information here sometimes .

OF said:

As has been said, when some of the 'old hands' who's experience and perspective we know get theirs things should improve. No offense meant to Members offering honest opinions of course, it's just that the only opinions of use to me have to come from a 'calibrated source'?

OF

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That's how I feel also. There are a number of seasoned FCers that I trust to be very balanced, detailed and thoughtful about their reviews. Once 4 or 5 of those posters from my vaping dream team get theirs and chime in, it will be much clearer what the product's capabilities are, and what kind of niche the hopper is best for. Constructive information is good, but best when it comes from a known, trusted source. I agree with @OF about calibration. Only when I know a poster fairly well, can I account for their perspective and expectations. Some FCers can be very forgiving, and some very tough with their opinions. Both are useful, when we understand the calibration.

Adobewan said:

@vapen00b Not sure that's a fair statement. The MiVaoe guys drug folks through their waiting game over many years, some may have lost their money due to credit card return expiration problems, without ever delivering the product.
The Grasshopper guys had a rocky start here at FC, they aren't avoiding us without reason. I threw a bit of coal on that fire myself.

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Didn't know about that. That's really bad .. All I know is that they're claiming to be a different company now - and seem to be active around here in dialogue with the customers. No doubt that they failed also in some aspects of the mivape, only thing I find couraging is their approach to be transparent...

Why do GHL avoid this platform? Also new to me since I'm here for only a few months.

Try to remember, as many FC brethren have already mentioned. You always hear more complaints than compliments regarding product reviews. People are outspoken when their purchases run into technical issues, but people rarely reach out to say, "Hey, my thing worked correctly!" They just go about using it.
And again, this thread was hardly the GHL fan club way back when.

A potentially revolutionary device is on the crest of a wave that might change the vaping landscape, or crash against the rocks. We wait and hope.

Not saying there isn't some genuine turbulence with the units, but there's still a chance that GHL can make this work.
Watch my tone change next week.

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I think people have been waiting for so long and would be happy to contribute something - especially in this community. But maybe it's gonna take some more weeks before we get their (re-)views, hope there will be plenty of them to get a better impression - also about the efforts and progress of GHL.
Wonder why the folks @skyvaper mentioned haven't been active here in the meantime. In the end I also hope for some FC dream team players to judge.

I know I am a True Believer! It just the things I believe in change daily. I have high expectations for when I purchase something. Unreasonable expectations? Too be sure! Like I said I am a True Believer.
After drooling over reviews and bouncing back and forth over whether to pull the trigger I ALWAYS fall for the hype and have to come down before I review a devise.
I KNOW I am a large part of the problem but how can I purchase if I am not excited?
Companies must make sure that they don't promise too much if they can't deliver. In my life I have always enjoyed creeping up on people and surprising them with my wit and wisdom. Sales folks (in new company) don't have that luxury. They need to capture your attention and interest. This causes a schism. I think the main problem here is folks are confusing R&D and first steps of a corporation with Day to Day business as usual operation of a established entity.

If you want a fully developed and functional unit....wait a year (more). If GH Labs are still there than they will have nailed it.

Well, here's a little information for you...

I recently had the chance to try a friend's ss gh. It was a one time use experience, with a freshly packed oven. I was very (and pleasantly) surprised just how flavorful it was! I did not find it harsh. I did not cough, or come close to it.

I did find that the mouthpiece got pretty warm after several pulls. I was not using the silicon mouthpiece and the pulls were in fairly rapid succession. I expect that when I have mine, I will use it at a more leisurely pace so the mouthpiece temperature won't be an issue. I would compare the warmth of the mouthpiece to the pax 2 (which I have) using its flat mouthpiece. It's the metal portion of the pax 2 that gets as warm as the gh. Unfortunately, this is/was not a side by side comparison...I'm basing it on past (and later) experience.

With that one time gh use, it really made me want mine. I think it will be a great addition to anyone's collection. It's a real pleasure to hold. I appreciate the quality of its design and craftsmanship (early issues aside). In terms of tactile experience, I have only found the pax 2 to be in its league (and probably the ff).

It remains to be seen if it becomes my go-to vape. I think I'm still in the honeymoon phase with my Crafty.

@Mr. Me2 I also am looking to compliment my crafty and replace my mflb. The MFLB is so stealthy and when used correctly is a great portable. So far reports are that the GH will do just that!

@Mr. Me2 How long has your friend had his?

I received these today, plus some extras:



The beauty of the color Ti:

Dark gray. This is the only one I've tried so far but it works great, no hint of heating in the rear cap.

First bowl impression: Amazed.

More later.

gosaints420 said:

The vapor is kinda harsh/hot which is to be expected of the short vapor path. I would compare it to PNP or INH in that regard.

The main drawback for me is flavor, imo it's just bad, even at lower temps it leaves a bad after taste in your mouth. I was hoping the bad taste would go away after some use but after a week of heavy use my hope is dwindling.

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Thank you for your review... I've been in sync with many of your past reviews so I found it very helpful...

I too have experienced this strange not so good after taste coating the inside of my mouth when I 1st got my INH05 "S" which you might remember lumped from a 12.5w unit to double that 25w unit.... well I hit it just as I would the 12.5w..... it took me quite some time to realize that I needed to hit it differently.. now the INH as you know uses both cond/conv but I think the principle might still apply...

I believe that what we are feeling coating the insides of our mouths is basically oil... that yummy substance that I have been reclaiming from my caps & cooling tubes {now 4' glass}..... ok so how can we lessen it from happening.....??
I found that if we permit / encourage the heat engine to be full power on during the entire inhalation draw time.... then the result will be a very wet moist vapor also hot of course but having to drop in temperature very quickly and therefore also condensing very quickly...... so what all can we do.....?

Well the simplest way I have found and for sure the easiest to try and experiment with is to simple shut it either off or down before the inhalation is finished..... currently the GH is designed to continue to provide the heat if it detects a user is still yanking on it.... so the thing to try is to just click it off before you finish drawing.....experiment with differing times and look for noticeable tangible difference in output vapor....
Test ; time your normal inhalation draw time..... mine fall in between 8-12secs
click on once blue begin your draw... for me it would be 5-7s
click it off and continue to draw.....

Whats happening in those last few seconds of draw time IMO..... we have the finalization process of the vapor inhalation itself.... the entire inhalation is being mixed and {equalization} temperature balanced throughout.... this action will lessen the oil enriched quality of your vapor inhalation... which I think you might find you bountiful flavors will return as they never really left they were just a bit too strong or over powering......

jojo0420 said:

I received these today, plus some extras:

The beauty of the color Ti:

Dark gray. This is the only one I've tried so far but it works great, no hint of heating in the rear cap.

First bowl impression: Amazed.

More later.

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You should do a video using that Gray one, I don't think I've seen a colored model used in videos before.

Vapetrees said:

You should do a video using that Gray one, I don't think I've seen a colored model used in videos before.

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I'm sure I can put something together in the next few days. It white walls glass very impressively.

Just took my 4:20 hit, great Green Crack on 4 through a bubbler, holy shit!
It's one hell of a vapor producer!
And who ever said this thing didn't taste good must have something wrong with theirs, this tastes amazing.

jojo0420 said:

I'm sure I can put something together in the next few days. It white walls glass very impressively.

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Are the other two SS or TI?

MikeG7265 said:

Are the other two SS or TI?

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They are both SS, one an Early Bird and the other a much later preorder. With serial numbers to match; one is in the low sub 100s and the other is in the 500s.

Excuse the question, but why pair the hopper with glass? It's factor is designed for stealth, and it seems like a waste of battery life when a person has other plug-in vapes available? Because I'd purchase a hopper for stealth outdoor use, I'm most interested in how it performs/tastes by itself. Glass makes almost every vape taste better. How is it compared to your other vapes? Without that comparison, "great" is fairly nebulous.

Congrats on receiving yours. Let us know how the others ones perform.