Trans-dermal Patch Review

shortwind

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Because I have serious lung issues I avoid smoking and am always looking for new ways to medicate. I am also trying to keep my tolerance down as I have to medicate daily for insomnia and chronic pain. Typically, I use a flower vape pen. I also use tincture and coconut oil I make. Once in a while, I'll use candy or other edibles. Recently I've had some reduced appetite issues, and, in general I do not want to consume a large object to get medicated! Recently I have heard about medicated trans-dermal cannabis patches.



I read about one brand in an Oregon-based cannabis publication. I decided to research it and give it a try. I found it listed on the menus of several dispensaries. Right away, the price was a stumbling block. In one place, it was $25 for a patch, in another, $22. Supposedly they are designed to last 24 hours (which I'll get back to). I figured, maybe if you cut the patch up it might be more cost effective. Or just use it for extraordinary circumstances, like extended travel. Certainly, the price is way beyond my daily affordability.



Still, I was curious and decided to blow $22 on the patch. I had spoken to some of the budtenders to get more info, but they, while certainly trying to be helpful, weren't sure if cutting up the patch would reduce its efficiency. I also asked if one could take the patch off or on and have it resume working. But they said it would be difficult to re-attach...losing the stickiness. So that meant, you have to keep it on as long as you want, but once you take it off, too bad, can't really use it again.



The patches come in two varieties...THC or CBD. Recently, I have realized after several attempts that high CBD, low THC medications do NOT work for my type of pain (I have spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease and osteoarthritis in my lower spine. Depending upon activity levels, I get sporadic sciatica flare-ups from the spinal problems.) Unfortunately, sometimes the sciatic pain is beyond the reach of cannabis. But for my typical stenosis pain, I need the distraction and relaxation of THC.



This brings me to my first concern. The THC patches do not indicate which strains they used to make the formulation, or even whether they are sativas or indicas. I usually am an indica user for its more sedating and body high effects.



My other concern goes back to the duration of patches. I do NOT want to feel medicated all day long. Part of the day, yes. I need to drive and accomplish other things with a clear head. Once I no longer need to drive or get much done, I am fine being in an altered state...which in and of itself helps reduce the pain. While I have pain some days all day, most days it builds up in the evenings.



So last night, I cut the patch in half and cut the half in half again. I cleaned my arm with the alcohol wipes provided in the discreet and securely packaged envelope. There is a clear plastic over the patch that is a bit difficult to remove with my short fingernails. I succeeded and stuck it to my upper arm. I wrote down the time I applied it. Now I had vaped some mixed indica strains about an hour before. But I could tell after about 15 minutes I was feeling a difference in my head.



Eventually the vaped medicine wore off and I could now feel the effect of the patch. It was mildly psychoactive...I could discern a bit of "patterning" and a pleasant feeling in my head. But my body didn't feel much difference. I did get a bit drowsy at one point, but it did not last. Around 11 p.m., I vaped some more indica. I went to bed around 12:30 a.m., patch still on (I had put it on at about 6:45 p.m.). I woke with my normal pain level and my mind pretty clear-headed at about 6:45 a.m. I removed the patch and noticed it was no longer sticky, so no longer usable. Plus, I felt the medication was gone. In all honestly, I did not feel much pain relief. I felt much more from vaping flower. Now maybe if I had used the entire patch, I would have had more pain relief. I don't know. I was wondering if the medicine in it was sativa.



Now I think the idea of a trans-dermal cannabis patch is an excellent one. Many people, such as myself, cannot tolerate smoke. I also do not desire the calories of eating a fattening edible on a regular basis. And, when my appetite is bad, eating anything is a challenge. The patches are also discreet and can be worn under clothing.



What I hope the makers of the patches come up with is a system that identifies whether a patch is indica, sativa, and what strain(s) are in it. I would also like to see the dosing in smaller time intervals. Maybe one could get patches for two hours, four hours, whatever. I also worry about tolerance build up if using a patch on a 24 hour basis is a regular practice.



Right now, at $22 to $25 a patch it is way too highly priced. Even cut into smaller pieces, it still is too expensive...and for me...not especially effective.



I hope in the future these delivery devices will become more precise and less costly.
 

FUnhouse

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Thanks for the Review
I too suffer for very similar problems with bad nerve damage added in .
I found these patches a few months ago online and could not wait for them to get to CA>
Once they arrived the guys at my dispensary warned me that they were not very effective and are expensive. So I passed
But I think this is a great idea but like many things in this industry it will take time to get it right .
I'm looking forward to that !
But thanks again and I hope you can find something that is effective for you pain .
 
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woolspinner

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Thanks for the review. A cancer patient friend really liked the brand we have available in colorado, but it is only 12 hours.

Agree on the price, but it is probably costly to extract, then apply in a shelf stable way to the patch. I considered one they have here in Colorado, but at $16 retail (my health concerns are not on the medical list of allowed conditions) per 12 hour patch, this is beyond my means. I think med patients can get for closer to $8-10, but still...hard to see anyone using those regularly.

In a patch, where the ingredient is just pure thc, will it matter what strain the thc came from? There are usually no other cannabinoids, other than CBD, present and certainly no terpenes.

I do not know how they extract thc or cbd from cannabis. I hear you can extract cbd from industrial hemp (not sure it that is true) so maybe this is one of those cases where strain doesn't matter?
 
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caliwisp

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I love the idea of a transdermal patch. The one I tried was just full of chemicals however. I would rather avoid those. Dunno why they need all those non-pronouceable things in there; maybe to cross through the skin?
 
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sanfranciscosadhu

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A few months ago there was a thread about transdermal patches , Mary's Medicinals in particular.
I live in the San Francisco bay area and at the time they were not available.
Then I saw them recently at my favorite dispensary (SPARC in case you live around here) and picked one up today for $16.

When you go to the website marysmedicinals.com you will notice that they have quite a variety, not all of them psychoactive. They do however have indica as well as a sativa.
I listened on YouTube to an interview with the founder of the company and its an interesting piece and was happy to find out that for their CBD material, they use organic flowers grown in Colorado, rather then industrial hemp paste.

Now on to my experience with the product itself. I purchased the CBD/THC 1:1
They work for up to twelve hours and cannot be taken on and off. The idea , according to the interview I listened to is that you get a slow, steady and continuous dose into the blood stream. And that is actually exactly what I experienced. I missed what I call that pleasant elevator feeling, where you take a strong fast ride up when you smoke or vape. Instead it kind of crept up on me and then there was this continuous steady altered feeling, both in head and body. It definitely worked. After 8 hours I took it off, had enough but the feeling still lasted. I much preferred it to an edible and I think it's a more efficient way of absorption then having to go to the digestive track. Also much faster onset. I find edibles often very unpredictable and it's easy, at least for me, to get uncomfortably altered.

That said, shortwind if I was in your situation I would prefer using tincture. Personally alcohol based ones especially work well and are easy to titrate. Also more economically feasible.

Just my two cents
 

Dramma Lamma

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Here in CA, there is a few patch companies.

The brand (mary's medicininals) we carry retails for $16.

They do have specific blends including, CBN, CBD, CBD/THC 1:1 ratio, Indica, and Sativa patches.

The same manufacturer also makes the same medication in a pen, so you can have the same effects and ingestion method but take a smaller measured dose and go as needed, rather than cutting up a patch.

EVERY single patch or trans-dermal med company I've spoken to agrees that they are more effective placed on your wrist or inner ankle, as there is more blood vessels closer to the skins surface there.
 
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