The Arizer Air

What works well for me is a very light pack and no screen. You can eventually buy some PVHE mouthpieces from Planetvape. These stems/mouthpieces or GonGs have air channels built in the sides to add more airflow. The Vortex Stem is very easy to draw from but it's kinda long, not stealth at all.

I'm sure things will get better for you. I had problems with the old style Arizer Solo being hard to draw from but the PVHE stems really helped in that regard.

Good luck and always remember toooooooooo Fuckcombustion.

Superhans said:

My 'Budgie Bubbler' arrived today along with the Easyflow adapter and seems to be working well. I can now use the Air on red and take much bigger hits. My throat seemed to be getting very dry previously, probably because I'd insist on whacking it up to yellow to try to get the last out of my herb after a session on green.

Does anybody have one of these? I'm not sure if I'm using it correctly or not. Should I be removing the bubbler part after I've inhaled as a kind of carb? I've noticed a lot of vapour comes out after I inhale. And how high should I be filling it to be safe? I'm concerned drops may get into my unit as I inhale but hopefully that's paranoia.

Here's a pic for reference: http://i.imgur.com/Eo492O9.jpg

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Where can I get a budgie in the US? I bought a pinnacle water tool from DHgate last year and it leaks from both ends so I don't use it.

little maggie said:

I bought a pinnacle water tool from DHgate last year and it leaks from both ends so I don't use it.

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That's unfortunate, is it broken? It's going 'leak' from the top for sure, it's not intended to be inverted ever, there's no trap like on other designs. However, unless there's a crack or something, the only way to get the trap at the bottom to leak is by overfilling it. Have you tried less water?

OF

I too find the water tubes a bit dicey to use because of water leakage. I have the authentic Pinnacle Pro Micro Shower water tool and I have to be careful when I use it. Always be careful how much water you use. I like using a bubbler with the Air.

I like that little water tool that @OF had for his Air. It's similiar as what you see for the vape pens

EDIT
If you are looking to buy an Air or a second one they are having a sale at PIU. Only $169. For our fav portable.

CarolKing said:

I like that little water tool that @OF had for his Air. It's similiar as what you see for the vape pens

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I still have it, and like it. This one from DHGate:


Pretty much spill proof if not over filled. I store in away in a vape pen case on it's side still filled and have yet to have the case come up wet and the bubbler empty.

Lately I've been using/enjoying this even smaller vape pen bubbler:
https://www.fasttech.com/p/2752500

I accidentally over filled it a tiny bit after washing, put it in my shirt pocket, forgot it was there and it siphoned most of the water out into my pocket when I wasn't looking. It's much smaller inside so it gets fouled up and needs cleaning more often of course, but a quick wash with PBW and rinse in the sink and I'm refilled and ready to go again.

They're both cheap enough to get and try IMO if you're interested in such stuff. An inch or so of 3/8 ID Silicone tube mates the bubbler to the Air stem easily and solidly and seals very well (you can see it in the photo above.

OF

I was able to have my first (and only) sesh in the AA a few hours ago. Most of experience vaping is with the original Pax so here is how it stacked up:

• There is a learning curve to most vaporizers but the AA appears to be "newbie" friendly and easy to use
• Cleaning/maintenance is extremely simple and easy
• I expected it to be bigger then what the videos suggested but this was a pleasant surprise, I think most reviewers have much smaller hands then me
• Test of portability for me is ease of carrying it in my pocket and it is uncomfortable due to the stem. Carrying the stem in a pocket is not going to work either. For portability, the Pax has the edge
• 10 minute sesh is just a bid too short for me but this could be due to the learning curve. I increased the heat setting every 2-3 minutes to sample the difference in taste/vapor. Not a big deal for me
• Herb is not evenly vaped but this could be due to playing around with the different heat settings and 10 min shut-off. This also makes me happy to see how efficient this vape is!
• I never owned or used a Solo so I need to do some trial and error with packing/grinding techniques. The draw is noticeably harder then a Pax but not as bad as sucking on a milkshake, more of a "blue steel" suckface. I read a few FC-ers suggestions not to grind the herb too finely which is contrary to my habit
• Smell/flavor is good but not earth shattering. This probably has more to do with my herb then the unit itself, I only had some watered down bud from a MMJ club
• I'm a cloud chaser, need to play around with it a bit more to improve in this catagory
• Vapor production is cleaner/less harsh on my throat and lungs which = longer sesh which makes the 10 minute auto shut off slightly short. I'll try starting on the 2nd lowest heat setting, found the lowest setting did not do much for me
• Efficiency seems to be amazing! I pulled the stem out and only a small amount of the herb on the bottom looked vape. I'm hopeful the herb will save me $$$ in the long run
• The rubber caps on the top and charger will rip off easily. Not a deal breaker by any means

Gotta crash early but I'll do a wake and bake tomorrow

OF said:

~snip~

Sip rather than suck for all you're worth trying to get more faster. Just a few times, see what happens? Vapor can only be generated so fast, drawing lots of cold air into the unit only does two things (aside from making you light headed....): DILUTES the vapor delivered, and robs heat so even less vapor is generated.
~snip~
OF

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I was going to suggest this as well. If you're drawing so hard on the AA that your lungs begin to ache, you're absolutely trying way too hard! It's designed to allow a certain "maximum" flow rate through the heater (you'll notice that drawing an empty stem and drawing a loaded stem both feel "free" flowing, it isn't until its installed on the unit that the main resistance is felt, this says the highest resistance is from the heater itself.)

It's all about physics.

Relax your inhale to a rate equal to what the device will allow. It will feel way slower than you're used to if you're coming from the combustion world or from free flowing convection vape world, but with a properly heated up unit and a nice slow relaxed draw, the AA should reward you nicely, unless your unit is indeed defective of course. If you start to feel that "i need more air" feeling because of the slow draw, simply part your lips a bit more and let some fresh air in mid-draw to give yourself a little more 02, then go back to the slow sip. Do this as often as necessary.

your pal,
thekarmawhore

CharSadehBeast said:

• Test of portability for me is ease of carrying it in my pocket and it is uncomfortable due to the stem. Carrying the stem in a pocket is not going to work either. For portability, the Pax has the edge

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I wear normal adult sized jeans and find it fairly comfortable to keep the Air, the small plastic tipped stem with a rubber cap, and mini doob tube filled with pre-ground herb in my front pocket.

I agree though, defiantly not as comfy as a Pax would be in the same pocket.

How do you mean that it is the stem is the part that makes it un-comfy?

srama21 said:

This makes a lot of sense. I've noticed towards the end of my sessions I get the best hits. I actually think the auto shutoff at 10 minutes is too soon.

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The auto shutoff is okay, every once in a while you might forget to shut it off, it's a nice function to have - just turn it back on. Just yesterday I turned it on to check battery level, thought I turned it off. I put it away then started smelling something like popcorn and onions. Clicked in my head, sure nuff, was warm, but had turned off. Auto shutoff saved my solo once as well.

I was going to post something along the lines as quoted, asking people if with certain strains it seems like their weed has a 'second life'. As in produce tasty vapor for a while and then vapor drops off but if you keep vaping then more vapor starts forming again. The rest of this vapor doesn't seem to have much of an effect to me, maybe it helps with sleep, it's probably CBN. Usually the second burst of vapor seems to happen at about 14 minutes in with me with some of the more hashy kush type of strains. Many light citrusy flavored sativa dominate buds don't seem to have this second life, the vapor just dies down.

I wonder if this effect is present with other vapes, or only the ones in the style of the air/solo oven style vapes? Or maybe it is older bud with more cbn?

I started doing my sessions where I take a few puffs at the lowest, scoop out into a tray with the stir tool and mix up, put back and bump up temp, repeat, until the 4th step or so, each time breaking down the herb a little bit. This seems to make the vapor more even, has better taste as I start with a loosely smashed nug and get better vapor. the third and fourth draws are the largest.

This is a fantastic vape. Don't force it, just inhale gently. You are heating up your bud and inhaling what is evaporating. The restriction helps with vapor production. Just draw at the rate in which you don't have to strain to inhale it. Many times for me it seems like the first draw is good, then second and third have some restriction, and then the rest get easier. I was stuffing my stems too much for a while.

It's gonna take some practice also to learn what to associate different outcomes with what you did different. But maybe it's not what you are looking for in a vape? I would give it some more tries for sure. Coax the vapor out of the bud. Conjure it like a genie! You'll get it.

Try to enjoy it. try different temps and different grinds with different strains. I find many strains vape different at different temperatures. Some are good to start at the lowest, some are better to start in the middle, and every once in a while I will find one that's best to start near the top. I have some supposed thai like that, doesn't have much of an effect at lower temps.

Completely stand-alone post - recently I've been putting small bits of bud In the top of my Air stem and putting a fine screen on top of that -edit- to make it act -edit- like the Infuser for the Vapolution. Works beautifully.

EDIT: Minimal impact on draw restriction - makes my buds nice and oily, though.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: (Rule of threes, it just felt right) - it works a little too well.

*takes long sip from glass of happiness*

lemmeadem said:

Completely stand-alone post - recently I've been putting small bits of bud In the top of my Air stem and putting a fine screen on top of that -edit- to make it act -edit- like the Infuser for the Vapolution. Works beautifully.

EDIT: Minimal impact on draw restriction - makes my buds nice and oily, though.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: (Rule of threes, it just felt right) - it works a little too well.

*takes long sip from glass of happiness*

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and then you revape that bud that was in the upper stem?

LIVE EDIT: trying it now in a short, tip-less AA stem
---a bit tight, but I see you used small bits vs a small nugget --my bad

Bravesst said:

and then you revape that bud that was in the upper stem?

LIVE EDIT: trying it now in a short, tip-less AA stem
---a bit tight, but I see you used small bits vs a small nugget --my bad

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Oh, dude, sorry - poor choice of words, I am using nuggets of bud, they're just pretty small and I'm doing it in the Solo style stem. Generally I run a few bowls (like a half dozen) and then vape it so it has a bit of build up.

This 'infused' stem, I'm thinking of running through a fair bit, like a half ounce worth, to see what effect it has. Also - I tried to put the bud in the stem really loosely so airflow isn't adversely effected.

EDIT: The tip less, I'd think, wouldn't work as well. The mouth is a little too narrow, in my opinion.

lemmeadem said:

Oh, dude, sorry - poor choice of words, I am using nuggets of bud, they're just pretty small and I'm doing it in the Solo style stem. Generally I run a few bowls (like a half dozen) and then vape it so it has a bit of build up.

This 'infused' stem, I'm thinking of running through a fair bit, like a half ounce worth, to see what effect it has. Also - I tried to put the bud in the stem really loosely so airflow isn't adversely effected.

EDIT: The tip less, I'd think, wouldn't work as well. The mouth is a little too narrow, in my opinion.

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got a bandaged up thumb so keeping messages short - sorry

looser load makes better sense, i think i squished a bit when i pressed screen down.
I have a feeling I am going to like this...

i already scrape all gooey ABV out with stir tool and mix with dry herb (probably pull a good 1/2 z through a few stems before I clean) - same principle on purpose!
TX

Bravesst said:

got a bandaged up thumb so keeping messages short - sorry

looser load makes better sense, i think i squished a bit when i pressed screen down.
I have a feeling I am going to like this...

i already scrape all gooey ABV out with stir tool and mix with dry herb (probably pull a good 1/2 z through a few stems before I clean) - same principle on purpose!
TX

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Glad I could be of service, dude. A little stoner ingenuity always helps when you're looking to experience the spectrum of vaping and Vapolution are nothing if not brimming with ingenuity!

I might put a few more buds in so they each sit a little further up and collect the range of condensed bud all up the glass.

I ordered an Air from puffitup last night. I originally went to puffitup looking for information about the Pax, which I still don't know much about, other than the fact that it seems pretty sweet. However, the first thing I noticed on puffitup was the current fantastic deal on the Air; a deal I couldn't refuse.

I had already read much of the early part of this thread, but I was just getting into the good stuff. Now I have to go back and try to catch up.

I don't know much about any particular vaporizer, or vaporizers in general. I had never seen a vaporizer in person before 12 days ago, when my AroMed arrived. Will be nice to have a portable/back-up option.

Aimless Ryan said:

I ordered an Air from puffitup last night. I originally went to puffitup looking for information about the Pax, which I still don't know much about, other than the fact that it seems pretty sweet. However, the first thing I noticed on puffitup was the current fantastic deal on the Air; a deal I couldn't refuse.

I had already read much of the early part of this thread, but I was just getting into the good stuff. Now I have to go back and try to catch up.

I don't know much about any particular vaporizer, or vaporizers in general. I had never seen a vaporizer in person before 12 days ago, when my AroMed arrived. Will be nice to have a portable/back-up option.

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Welcome, sir! A good choice you will enjoy your vape. Be sure to check out the Best of Arizer Air thread! Lots of valuable information

I don't have a ton of experience with the Pax2 but I used it once. It was a nice unit. I think this unit edges it out a bit. And I don't mean dollar for dollar. I mean vaporizer vs vaporizer, I honestly think the Air is better which is why I bought it.

Many say they aren't comparable. But vaporizers, although they vary greatly, ultimately do the same thing. So what makes the PAX so great? Stealth. Fine. But it looks like a creepy vaporizer to an uninitiated eye lol. I'm sorry it does. Especially if it's any color but black it completely looks like drug paraphernalia. In my opinion.

People who haven't held it often don't realize how big the first one was. Pax2 is a bit better but it's still an awkward device in my hands. In my opinion. And I also think the vapor tastes better on the Air. And I think you get better vapor production if you hit the Air right. I truly do. Now I admit this is based on ONE experience. And I know full well you need time with a vape to really get the most of it. So take my opinion for what it's worth.

But to me, the Air looks like an intermediate to advanced e cig mod. At least at a distance. For stealth purposes, when you hit it you look rather natural. You don't look like you're doing anything wrong. Just taking a long sip from a ecig or something. the Pax2 is rather unnatural to hit. You look like you're up to something lol. Just my opinion. This is easier to load quickly. Plus you can preload stems for ultra fast reloads. To me, if you can't reload easily and quickly it's not a useful stealth vape as I tend to want more than one bowl especially if I'm vaping with company.

I still like the Pax2 though. If the price is right and overtime kicks in I may even get one in the near future. I'm not crapping on it. But this is one versatile unit for the price. And I think it's better. I honestly believe everyone in this forum should have one in their collection. It's just so useful!

Anyone notice the stock battery is really just not good enough?

Sure if you charge it religiously it will work once or twice, but when it dies it's gone. There is no low battery mode or way to get it to heat up long enough to hit before it dies completely.

When I swap the stock battery for the name brand ncr18650pd I get twice the number of sessions. Not only that, when the low battery mode is triggered, the Panasonic battery has enough left for a decent session!

When the stock battery dies you have to charge 5mins+ to get a usable session, but a "dead" Panasonic stays usable from the moment you start charging it!

I'm only using the ncr18650pd too, the ncr18650b is supposed to have 20% more runtime... the stock battery is like 50% of the pd lol.

Maybe I'm the only one or I have a bad stock battery, but after trying the Panasonics there's no way I'm going back. Oh and Arizer? They're making $$ hand over fist charging $20 for a $5 battery, I doubt they'll notice one guy wise up

JoeKickass said:

Anyone notice the stock battery is really just not good enough?

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Not really, in my experience anyway.

JoeKickass said:

Sure if you charge it religiously it will work once or twice, but when it dies it's gone. There is no low battery mode or way to get it to heat up long enough to hit before it dies completely.

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Does this mean you only get two sessions from a full charge? If so there is something wrong with the cell IMO, I think most can get 4+ sessions even on high temp with the stock cell

JoeKickass said:

When the stock battery dies you have to charge 5mins+ to get a usable session, but a "dead" Panasonic stays usable from the moment you start charging it!

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Do you use while charging? As this won't do the cell any favours, for me this is where having a spare cell to swap comes in handy.

If your Panasonic is new and your stock cell is older (with more use) this could explain the double runtime you experience, depending on usage/charging/storage conditions of your stock cell.

For me with the stock and NCR18650B I get 4/5 normal use session from a full charge, and both gave 6 in a more controlled test.

UnshavenFish said:

Not really, in my experience anyway.



Does this mean you only get two sessions from a full charge? If so there is something wrong with the cell IMO, I think most can get 4+ sessions even on high temp with the stock cell



Do you use while charging? As this won't do the cell any favours, for me this is where having a spare cell to swap comes in handy.

If your Panasonic is new and your stock cell is older (with more use) this could explain the double runtime you experience, depending on usage/charging/storage conditions of your stock cell.

For me with the stock and NCR18650B I get 4/5 normal use session from a full charge, and both gave 6 in a more controlled test.

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These numbers are what I also get. I got two batteries when I purchased and found the cell that came installed seems to have less capacity than the other. Wrote it off to a flaky cell. The other cell pretty much matches my others ecig batteries. Note, that I don't want to get into what batteries I use but they all have specs which suit the Air's needs. However, some PDs are in the mix.
Generally I use for 2 sessions where each go through 2 timeouts. This still leaves the battery with some juice, so 5 timeouts is likely a good number. Thinking there might be some confusion as to sessions verses timeouts. For me a sess can be 2+ timeouts.

Pipes said:

These numbers are what I also get. I got two batteries when I purchased and found the cell that came installed seems to have less capacity than the other. Wrote it off to a flaky cell. The other cell pretty much matches my others ecig batteries. Note, that I don't want to get into what batteries I use but they all have specs which suit the Air's needs. However, some PDs are in the mix.
Generally I use for 2 sessions where each go through 2 timeouts. This still leaves the battery with some juice so 5 timeouts is likely a good number. Thinking there might be some confusion as to sessions verses timeouts. For me a sess can be 2+ timeouts.

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Good point, everyone's 'sessions' are different, I only assumed one session = one timeout as if talking double runtime I think this is the only way it fits, as if one session were 2 timeouts that would mean the new cell is giving 8 timeouts (assuming the two session are 4 timeouts, double this would be 8) under normal use and I don't think this is possible with current cells

I don't know how much sense this makes as it's Sunday and I'm pretty far gone but for a while it all made sense in my head but I think I'm confusing myself now

I try not to overthink it. To make things easy, I change the battery after every 2nd bowl. Can get a 3rd but that pushes the battery down to where it doesn't like to be.
Best advice is get a routine going and enjoy it.

My mouthpiece was a pain to unscrew the first time as well. I ended up buying a new one the slightly longer version. Much better. Actually my original came with TEETH MARKS on the plastic tip. I was dumb to not inform PLanetVape about that just never used it since it comes with more than one stem.

I find it harder to get a good hit out of the plastic tipped stem, I only use it for in public or when using with friends. Even if I over load heavy pack the shorty non tipped stem I still seem to get better consistent hits.

I have also gone off using a gong/water attachment. Vortex stem all day and the small non tipped stem if I want to go to flavour country lol.

I have three batteries all from PV. They all give me 5 full 10min sessions. I use till I see the red then switch it up. I charge my batteries in the unit over night or in the morning. Need to get the charger soon!

QUESTION: can the top grill part be removed and put back on easily??? Does that void warranty?

I just thinking about cleaning here as sometimes avb gets in there. I like on the solo how the top unscrewed and you can clean around the heating element.

JoeKickass said:

When I swap the stock battery for the name brand ncr18650pd I get twice the number of sessions. Not only that, when the low battery mode is triggered, the Panasonic battery has enough left for a decent session!

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UnshavenFish said:

Not really, in my experience anyway.

Does this mean you only get two sessions from a full charge? If so there is something wrong with the cell IMO, I think most can get 4+ sessions even on high temp with the stock cell

For me with the stock and NCR18650B I get 4/5 normal use session from a full charge, and both gave 6 in a more controlled test.

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I agree this is what I find as well. the PD is rated at 2900mAh and like a lot of cells comes in under that in real testing (makers tend to set up the test to give the best possible numbers......go figure). The last two I measured were 2621 and 2604. Even if the 2900 was real that's 18% more, not 50%. The factory cells, OTOH, seem very close to 2250mAh (2247 and 2235). One session more, maybe?

I like the PD, I think it's a top pick for Cera (which is why I have so many around), but it's 'strong points' aren't very useful with Air (very high current ability, more than we can use, and flat discharge voltage (not useful since we're temperature regulated).

I think UF has it nailed, either the report is off or the cell is highly suspect. Normally they work quite well, there are very few battery problems in the 6,000 or so posts here I can recall?

Our very on Centizen checked these guys out and gave it his 'Oakey Dokey' as being probably the best cell for the job, and I have a lot of faith in his judgement in such things. He bought them straight from the maker and sells them cheap to Members (although postage might be an issue). You can get them for $10 each typically from PIU, PV and those guys, so there's no way Arizer is supplying them at more than ten as I see it. The approved battery is really only a few dollars more usually, and is therefore recommended.

Pipes said:

These numbers are what I also get.

Generally I use for 2 sessions where each go through 2 timeouts. This still leaves the battery with some juice, so 5 timeouts is likely a good number. Thinking there might be some confusion as to sessions verses timeouts. For me a sess can be 2+ timeouts.

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I agree, sessions and loads are different for me as well. I too generally 'waste power' sipping on a bowl for a second session if there's fun stuff left. I too then to swap (or just recharge) after the second load or 4th session.

OF

I don't have a battery indicator on my Air so I have to try to remember how many sessions I have left on my battery. I usually swap mine out after 4 - 10 min sessions I only am using the stock batteries.

With the short stems folks don't even glance twice at this unit. The perfect companion for walks and hiking. Sometimes half way through my walk I sit on a bench for a 5 minutes or so and use my Air. There's a little stream I like to sit by.

As @RUDE BOY always says Good Times.