What am I doing wrong?

Hello everyone,

I am looking for some advice for what mistakes I am making in attempt to create home made marijuana vape oil.

My last few batches I have made have had 0 potency, currently I have lost 56g of flower, and 3G of kief.

These are the steps i did on my most previous attempt.

I started this batch with 7g of flower, I used my grinder to finely grind this down to very small pieces.

I took 7g of flower and placed on a baking tray, I covered the baking tray with foil and heated in the oven at 220f for 25 minutes. This was done to decarbonize(?) the weed and make the chemicals in the plant extractable (I think?)

After baking the flower I took them out and placed the 7g in a mix of VEgetable Glycerin and Propylene Glycol. I used 8ml of liquid for every gram of flower... So my liquid consisted of 56ml, 39ml of VG and 17ml of PG.

I added the flowers into a mason jar that had this liquid.

I then began heating a pot of water that was filled enough so that once the mason jar was placed into reboot the water would be coming up just above the line that the mason jar was filled to, so the water level of the pot would be just as high as the level of the liquid in the mason jar.

Once the pot began to simmer I placed the mason jar inside with the lid on. I let the water summer with the mason jar inside for the next 4 hours. Every 15 minutes I would take the mason jar out and swirl it around and place back in the water.

After the 4 hours passed I removed and stored the mason jar in a dark place until the next day (jar sat in a dark place for 24 hours).

Once 24 hours had passed I repeated the process of placing the mason jar in the water and swirled every 15 minutes. This lasted only one more hour.

I only did this process a second time to heat up the liquid and make a more fluid liquid so the next step would be easier.

After the liquid warmed I removed the mason jar from the water, I let it cool slightly so the mason jar was cool enough to hold with your hand.

To strain I used a coffee filter, a pasta strainer and a funnel. I poured the liquid that I had into the strainers.

The liquids that were strained looked great. They didn't have any separation, the color looked nice.

After the liquid was strained I put it in my cartridge and tested the liquid.

The taste had a marijuana hint to it, the clouds that were produced were of decent size, but the effect wasn't there.

I need advice on how to produce a product that actually works. I have made RSO before and the potency was great. I used an alcohol extraction for that. I am open to doing an alcohol extraction if that is more effective. I am open to any sort of guidance and advice that can be provided.


I started doing his for my mom because she has cancer, the doctors said vapeing is healthiest way. And the cost to purchase marijuana cartridges is very high so I'm trying to produce myself.

IMO baking the weed is removing all the goodness. If you've made rso, qwiso, or bho before and were happy with the results than I would make a batch of that and mix it with magic puff or EJ-juice.

I agree with (mostly) the above. Start with a safe concentrate then use a trusted mix like puff majic or EJMix. The baking makes the THC digestable, so this PG/VG method is probably meant for a tincture rather than a vape juice. If you still have the "fail" batches try researching tinctures, I have 0 exp myself lol

I don't think vg/pg thc is worth a shit. I've made my own and bought the most potent stuff they had in Colorado and all of it was shit. Just doesn't have any legs or backbone. Like said previously probably better as a tincture.

Extracting flower directly into PG/VG takes months to even get a small effect. It just isn't doable in the short amount of time you are using. Like others have said, you only need to decarb (decarboxylate or remove the carboxyl group) from your medicine if you wish to eat it. If the juice is going to be vaped (subjected to heat) this decarbs it for you, so you should just make BHO or QWISO and mix it with EJ Mix or something similar.

@t-dub is it possible to make some that actually has some potency and if so does it last. As in the hits effectiveness. I'm thinking this method of vaping is for those who have a very low tolerance. My experiences have not been good. Both my own method and from dispensaries.

@Rhuttlinger

@t-dub above is correct. Do you have access to concentrates such as wax, shatter, BHO, CO2 oil, etc? If you don't, you can make small amounts easily without too much trouble utilizing a technique called Quick-Wash-ISOpropol-alcohol or Quick-Wash EThel-alcohol (eg, 95% Everclear). You can combine these concentrates with products designed specifically for concentrates (EJMix or Puff Majic) and use in any standard ecig or the like. BHO, or Butane Hash Oil is dangerous to make: QWISO or QWET are far safer methods (but still requires care). Look under "Concentrates" Forum for easy instructions.

HD Springer said:

is it possible to make some that actually has some potency and if so does it last.

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I have never had PG/VG THC e-liquid, directly extracted from flower, that I liked. Those I have tried were from a dispensary and supposedly made by professionals utilizing long infusion times. I have heard some folks say they got good results using BHO/QWISO/QWETH and EJ Mix in a 1:1 ratio following Liquidizer's instructions. I feel this is possible because concentrates are so strong, and this method basically cuts the potency in half, but have not done it myself. I think putting some shatter in a VBEleven or other similar device would be better for me than trying to make something to go in an e-cig tank.

Great info guys thanks t-dub.

t-dub said:

in a 1:1 ratio

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Do the ratio that's best for you. I find 1 gram concentrate to 1 ml EJMix too intoxicating, clogs the wick of the atomizer easier, and makes me cough. I use 3 parts EJmix or/and Puff Majic. I don't mind taking a few more smooth hits to arrive at my personal Nirvana as opposed to coughing my lungs out.

@macbill do you find the effects last as long as flowers?

HD Springer said:

do you find the effects last as long as flowers?

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I can't really say. I use consistently during the day. For me, a few hits off of a 3:1 ratio of mix:concentrate gets me where I want to be. I just spent a week in guitar camp, and I didn't use until evening. That lowered my tolerance, and just a few hits seemd to last awhile. I'm not afraid to keep having hits off and on to maintain a certain level.

I'm with @macbill , mix a pre-made Hash Oil at a ratio of 3:1 with VG being the predominant carrier, I personally like 65% VG, 35%PG.

Vapor Nation now carries a Liquid engineered for this purpose, it's under the new "E-juice" section...

Good Luck..

Check out @Grow Goddess thread, she has this process on lock.

Rhuttlinger said:

I started doing his for my mom because she has cancer, the doctors said vapeing is healthiest way. And the cost to purchase marijuana cartridges is very high so I'm trying to produce myself.

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Have you considered just using bud directly with a good dry herb vaporizer?

besides the fact that VG/PG are not a quick wash type of solvent for hash, what you did was dilute your product 8X. So you need to vape 8 mL/grams of your juice to equal 1 gram of vaped flower if by some strange chance ALL the cannabinoids made their way into the carrier.

8 mL would take me two days to vape, and that's via chain vaping. Not sure how many drags 8 mLs would be out of a tank, probably an enormous amount, 300-400 drags or so. You don't want to inhale 8 grams of PG/VG just to inhale 1 gram of precious flower, right?

Try a qwiso or qwet tek and then dilute with ejmix or the likes at 33-50% extract. Some go even higher.

Hmmm?

Wondering where the OP is??

I think it is important to know what kind of tank and what kind of Pen/Battery is being used.

@Rhuttlinger ...
You still with us?

Hashtag46&2 said:

I personally like 65% VG, 35%PG.

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The reason Liquidizer developed EJ Mix is because just using PG/VG allows the end product to separate. Adding PEG (polyethylene glycol) 200,400,600 to the mix prevents the actives from coming out of suspension.

When comparing alcohol to glycerin (VG) the solubility is quite different, being that VG will only absorb 1/3 of what alcohol/ethanol does before reaching saturation levels. This is the reason I don't make extracts to vape in my ecig with PG or VG, because high PG has too much throat hit and high VG is only gonna give me 1/3 potency if that. The good news though is that you're making a tincture that you can eat since it's already been decarbed, so it's not a total loss, but I would definitely recommend doing a wash with a better solvent to maximize returns, and then mix it into some Liquidizer EJmix or the other brand. It will thin it enough to wick properly. For ethanol wash you'll want to use a proper alcohol, grain alcohol preferably like the high proof Everclear or the type, with no added stuff into it.

Still here, thanks for all the info guys.

Like others have stated, this is an edible tincture not vapable ecigjuice. Try dropping some under your tongue to check potency when ingested sublingually.

Also read through the rosin thread. This tech requires no solvents, and the results can be vaped directly or mixed with specially made e-liquids such as EJMix and Puff Majic.

To me EJMix is good, but to much throat hit, and deffo not flavorless. Any one with any experience with the Puff Majic liquids?

macbill has great advice, though I use a higher concentration 2:1 here with the puff majic. 1 hit for anxiety relief, 2 hits for fun, 3+ hits for sleep. I have a fairly low tollerance so I get over medicated pretty easily if I'm not careful.

My story, my crafty was primary vape but ecig + c-juice took over. I even just sent back my crafty for repair and have 0 anxiety not knowing how long I will be without flower vape.

Can give it a try for cheap and see what you think. I've used reclaim from my crafty in puff majic, used shatter and also prefilled carts. All work brilliantly for me.

Best of luck!

@NorVape the puff majic original is great, I feel it's mostly flavorless. I prefer it personally.