PLENTY Vaporizer

@biohacker Know what you mean. I was confused as well after reading and watching youtube plenty reviews. When I got mine a few weeks back, wasn't sure what to expect. Just held it like everyone naturally does, tried putting it down on brush "tripod," picked up, always conscious of pressing and/or holding switch. Then my laziness started kicking in, felt somewhat uncomfortable to hold it, so sat close to edge of chair leaning forward, and found that Plenty would "hang" in a balanced way when fingers at upper part of handle. Feeling comfy now, zoned for a bit, heard the click of heater engage by itself. It actually surprised me, but in a good way. Let it hang from my hand for rest of that session, watching thermometer and heater light, listening to that wonderful old school low tech click.
It was the balanced hanging with simple gravity "holding" the switch that gave me the coffee mug tree idea.

What's up fellas, I'm new here to the forums and about a month into vaporizing! While I definitely plan on reading this entire thread (there is little to no information on the web on how to properly use The Plenty) I have a few quick general questions I'd really like to ask because I'm thinking of sending my plenty in due to the calibration of the temperature being off. When the unit is completely turned off and cooled down the unit reads 110F and not 100F where it used to when I first got it about a month ago. Because of this, the temperature ranges for all 7 dial temps seem to have been bumped up by at least 10 degrees!

Now don't get me wrong, while the needle did rest at 100 degrees when i first purchased this, the temperature ranges for all 7 dial temps were always far above what they are supposed to be according to the manual. For instance, to get the ideal temp of 365F I have to set the dial to exactly 4 1/2! According to the manual that temp falls somewhere between 5 and 6 on the dial. Is this normal? I would like to think that S&B would calibrate every unit exactly the same?

1. When your unit is off and completely cooled does it read 100F or 110F like mine? Because I know for a fact it wasn't like that in the beginning and I know for a fact that the temps went up an additional 10 degrees on top of the 10 degrees they were already off from factory. I'm going by the manual itself which states the 5 setting is supposed to be 352 when for me it was MUCH HIGHER when I first got it and even higher now after I noticed that the dial doesn't rest on the very bottom anymore. As I said, I start out at 4 1/2 which usually puts me right around 365 and 370F.

2. Do the temperature readings you guys get with all 7 temps match what it says in the manual? Does anyone have a properly calibrated unit that heats to the temps S&B says they are supposed to?

I have so many questions about this Vaporizer, vape pens for concentrates, dabs, etc but I'll save those for after I read through this thread and more of the forums. Right now I just want to know if you guys think I should send this in for a new unit? I was honestly thinking of sending it right back the first day I got it and saw that I wasn't getting the temps I should be for each dial setting according to the manual.

Yes, it still works and well, but the fact that while on 7 the needle is so far past the red on my last pass through has me worried. I don't think it's even close to combusting but it does worry me.. No burnt popcorn smell or not, my point is that the dial temps never were what S&B said they were supposed to be from the beginning and are even higher now since I noticed the gauge resting at 110F while unplugged and completely cooled down

Anyhow I'm really looking forward to learning a lot from this community and sharing our experiences. I have had absolutely ZERO LUCK WITH CONCENTRATES with The Plenty and my Vape Pen and am really frustrated about that as well.

Thanks in advance!

Hi,

Socks And Sandals said:

1. When your unit is off and completely cooled does it read 100F or 110F like mine?

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Mine is cooled and its on 40°C which converted gives 110F so everything is fine with your Plenty.

@Socks And Sandals

On my loaned Plenty the needle sits directly at 100.
Always returns to the lowest position when cooled down.

@Socks And Sandals - This morning it was at 105. 3 hours after last session, reads 110.
Quite a heat sink. Can't remember if dial was bottomed out at 100 when I got this used Plenty a few weeks back.

I wouldn't be too concerned. I like to call the Plenty an "analog" device, where close enough is more than plenty. Pun intended.
Sort of like the temp dial on a refrigerator, to give you a desired "range" rather than a specific temp.
I know that's not what you want to hear. My Ascent, for example, can be dialed in precisely, and I believe @Ratchett has some thermal images showing it's accuracy.

But I think the Plenty's effectiveness, for lack of a better word, delivers the proof in the cloud pudding.

Socks And Sandals said:

I'm going by the manual itself which states the 5 setting is supposed to be 352 when for me it was MUCH HIGHER when I first got it and even higher now after I noticed that the dial doesn't rest on the very bottom anymore. As I said, I start out at 4 1/2 which usually puts me right around 365 and 370F.

2. Do the temperature readings you guys get with all 7 temps match what it says in the manual? Does anyone have a properly calibrated unit that heats to the temps S&B says they are supposed to?

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As for the user manual ... well, me thinks they were being a bit loose with the numbers to put it kindly.
And a typo in their temp scale. And very confusing sentence structures. And that "accurate within plus or minus 3 degrees (I assume C) -- hmmm.

I did some old school interpolation on their temp scale to show the ranges of temps:



Here is a session chart which may be helpful. I start at setting 6. Takes four minutes to warm up -- graph begins after warm.



Note: Clouds are not drawn to scale
The yellow highlight indicates when heater is on.
I bump up to setting 7 for last half of session.

So, Mine is pretty close to the ranges stated in manual.

Wow, thanks for the response guys. I'm going to contact S&B tomorrow and see what they have to say. If they tell me outright they will replace the unit after describing to them the problem I'll go ahead with it. If they tell me anything along the lines of it possibly being a repair or getting a refurbished unit I'll probably just keep it for the time being. It is a 3 year warranty after all!

tjsop said:

Hi,



Mine is cooled and its on 40°C which converted gives 110F so everything is fine with your Plenty.

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In reality I know I don't need to send it back because well... It still works and have no complaints other than trying to get used to the "vape high" vs. the traditional "Combustion High" Haha! The first 3 times I used my plenty I wasn't getting those thick vape clouds I saw the Vape Critic getting on youtube but now..... OMG!!!

But with all that being said, something happened to my Plenty and the gauge and the temperature changes reflect it.. not to mention I wouldn't mind having a more calibrated unit especially if S&B will do a full replacement so why not right?

lazylathe said:

@Socks And Sandals

On my loaned Plenty the needle sits directly at 100.
Always returns to the lowest position when cooled down.

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Thank you so much for that! As I said I remember it sitting at 100F when I first got it. I have no idea when this happened but I first noticed it last week. The plain fact that yours rests at 100F and it being lent to you tells me I should probably look into this with S&B. Thanks again for confirming this with me.

ChooChooCharlie said:

@Socks And Sandals - This morning it was at 105. 3 hours after last session, reads 110.
Quite a heat sink. Can't remember if dial was bottomed out at 100 when I got this used Plenty a few weeks back.

I wouldn't be too concerned. I like to call the Plenty an "analog" device, where close enough is more than plenty. Pun intended.
Sort of like the temp dial on a refrigerator, to give you a desired "range" rather than a specific temp.
I know that's not what you want to hear. My Ascent, for example, can be dialed in precisely, and I believe @Ratchett has some thermal images showing it's accuracy.

But I think the Plenty's effectiveness, for lack of a better word, delivers the proof in the cloud pudding.



As for the user manual ... well, me thinks they were being a bit loose with the numbers to put it kindly.
And a typo in their temp scale. And very confusing sentence structures. And that "accurate within plus or minus 3 degrees (I assume C) -- hmmm.

I did some old school interpolation on their temp scale to show the ranges of temps:



Here is a session chart which may be helpful. I start at setting 6. Takes four minutes to warm up -- graph begins after warm.



Note: Clouds are not drawn to scale
The yellow highlight indicates when heater is on.
I bump up to setting 7 for last half of session.

So, Mine is pretty close to the ranges stated in manual.

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That's interesting..

So in the morning it rest at 105F powered off, then 3 hours after another session it reads 110F as well when shut off? For being a used unit you've only had for a few weeks I think your heating unit's calibration might be better than mine actually! Anyhow, I'm weighing more towards getting it replaced depending on what S&B has to say.

I do acknowledge that this this is an analog thermometer and that's part of the reason I didn't mind the dial temps being slightly off from what the manual said from the beginning.. Haha! I'm just concerned now because the temp ranges seemed to have changed since I noticed that dial sitting at 110F is all.

I've also noticed typos in the instructions as well as the Celsius typo which should have been 352F on dial setting 5. Poor translation maybe? As far as them being a little loose on the temps.. I agree since this is analog that there would be some kind of leeway here and to a certain extent these should be approximate due to the fact right? I would definitely assume so as well. My only concern here is that I think they should be a lot closer to the same ballpark as what you posted above. Also.. I did the same thing as you trying to figure out the approximate dial cut off temps and to be honest with you I guessed very close to what you did!!!

The session chart was cool too! I really need to start paying more attention and documenting the amount of time and the number of heat ups or as I like to call them Passthroughs! I was also very surprised to see that your session time is almost the same as mine around 10 to 12 minutes as well as how many heats ups.

I do things a little different though and would really like yours and other's feedback as well. Since my unit instantly stops heating at 365F on dial setting 4.5.. that's what I use. I haven't come up with a sure fire method yet but I've been experimenting setting it at 4.5 on the first passthrough/heatup, then 5 on the next, then 5.5, then 6 and well you get the picture. I've also tried jumping entire dial settings instead of increments of .5 and I still haven't come to any conclusion yet as to what is the best method for a session. All I can do is trade stories with you guys and learn from what works best for you.

You actually provided me some piece of mind knowing that my session time and heating passthroughs are very similar! I gotta admit having this plenty really has changed the way smoke. I'm still not used to smoking (or vaping in this case) so much in such a short amount of time. I'm normally am used to sipping on bong rips casually about a toke every 15 minutes after the initial high, not almost constantly drawing after every 20 seconds or so. Is it just me or am I the only one who feels I'm wasting it unless it's all not done in one session and done quickly before it's spent?

Thanks for the reply.. now I gotta read up on what to do with my ABV material and how to use concentrates in this thing but I'll get to that next time!

@Socks And Sandals : Glad to hear you're enjoying the forum.
I'm a newbie as well. Quit combustion with Camels and ... last Xmas. Had to keep "UP" so looked into vaping. First was Ascent. Then Crafty. Now Plenty.

If you're a home style user, well, you made a great choice.

I encourage you to experiment further and find the right temp stepping sequence that works for you.

Socks And Sandals said:

The session chart was cool too! I really need to start paying more attention and documenting the amount of time and the number of heat ups or as I like to call them Passthroughs! I was also very surprised to see that your session time is almost the same as mine around 10 to 12 minutes as well as how many heats ups.

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You don't need to pay attention and document. Just relax and enjoy. When I read your post this morning, I just had a thought that a session graph might illuminate. Yeah, kind of a stoned thought in the morning, but I enjoyed the task. With my warrantee-voiding and fire-starting mod ideas, noticed I can vape, read temp guage, scribble down data points, hands free.

As a former hard core non-filter Camel smoker, I am floored everyday that I can get the easy draw -- for as long as I like -- when I inhale on the Plenty. (especially with longer tubing in coffee mug tree mod -- the "CMT" because everything needs a three letter abbreviation. Inhales are like butta!!)
After being somewhat frustrated with the technique/care/cleaning/ease of use, and freedom from fear of drained batteries or worse, the red/yellow flash of another Crafty's death, I can say in the words of Mr. Burgess: “Then, brothers, it came. Oh, bliss, bliss and heaven. I lay all nagoy to the ceiling, my gulliver on my rookers on the pillow, glazzies closed, rot open in bliss, slooshying the sluice of lovely sounds. Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh.”

Socks And Sandals said:

I'm still not used to smoking (or vaping in this case) so much in such a short amount of time. I'm normally am used to sipping on bong rips casually about a toke every 15 minutes after the initial high, not almost constantly drawing after every 20 seconds or so.

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Different desire/technique than I would prefer, but sounds like maybe a vape like E-Nano might fit the bill. Just a thought, don't own one. I'm more of a heavy hitter I guess. Should have mentioned in the graph that it was a .25 gram load, as usual using my goofy teaspoon loading tool.

I have changed technique a bit, now holding finger over mouthpiece at end of tube to keep residual vapor from escaping. Sounds sort of Ebenezer, but like the control. Silly, I know.

Guys, I connected the Plenty to a hookah (it's hard to get a bubbler around here) and it's incredibly tasty and smooth! You HAVE to try it.

whateverman said:

Guys, I connected the Plenty to a hookah (it's hard to get a bubbler around here) and it's incredibly tasty and smooth! You HAVE to try it.

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Pictures please? As Chauncey Gardner said, "I like to watch."

Carried out my rig to deck this morning. Felt like a butler serving tea:



No, No!! Send it back! I said HIGH tea!

@ChooChooCharlie i really like your home made installations. There is some lack of products this side its clear. I wish i had a special table for my volcano... When i press the green button the cano moves because its not heavy enough and after 5 uses it becomes to close of the border so i have to move it back or it will fall.
As well for the abv i put it on papers.. I wish i had something preventing it from the wind.. Three times all the abv was on the ground so needed the vacuum cleaner. Ya i see you coming take a simple box, ok, but its not dedicated for it .. It's not the same to have something specialy desinged for a use and a "MacGyver" thing.

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@ChooChooCharlie i really like your home made installations. There is some lack of products this side its clear. I wish i had a special table for my volcano... When i press the green button the cano moves because its not heavy enough and after 5 uses it becomes to close of the border so i have to move it back or it will fall.
As well for the abv i put it on papers.. I wish i had something preventing it from the wind.. Three times all the abv was on the ground so needed the vacuum cleaner. Ya i see you coming take a simple box, ok, but its not dedicated for it .. It's not the same to have something specialy desinged for a use and a "MacGyver" thing.

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Thanks for your kind words. Just thought of a cool Volcano "stealth in plain sight" table. I'm sure it's not a new idea: a slightly modified "globe bar"
Here's one with a nice side table as well as the globe:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZHJB4C2?psc=1
Prop something like sturdy glasses in a couple slots as "stabilizer" when you nudge volcano.
And obviously make notch for power cord near hinge area.

"Honey, the folks are here to visit" ... just close the globe and the world is safe.

But, we're off topic, so we'll both have to leave this discussion for other forums.

@ChooChooCharlie You rock thx. I ll buy that globe

Socks And Sandals said:

I'm still not used to smoking (or vaping in this case) so much in such a short amount of time. I'm normally am used to sipping on bong rips casually about a toke every 15 minutes after the initial high, not almost constantly drawing after every 20 seconds or so. Is it just me or am I the only one who feels I'm wasting it unless it's all not done in one session and done quickly before it's spent?

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Perhaps if you got a cheap D020 bubbler, use my CMT mod, insert tube.
Just enough water to halt vapor leak. Then relax between hits.

Even though load will be continually "roasted" from mere vertical alignment, temp of this naturally rising warmth should be significantly lower than actually pulling air with a draw.
But bubbler prevents leaks anyway. As the Prego ads said, "It's in there!"

@Socks~ I think another vape like the Lotus or the Nano would be great for you. You get exactly what you want and the material does not cook unless you tell it to. And they are both incredibly effective using tiny amounts.

ChooChooCharlie said:

@Socks And Sandals : Glad to hear you're enjoying the forum.
I'm a newbie as well. Quit combustion with Camels and ... last Xmas. Had to keep "UP" so looked into vaping. First was Ascent. Then Crafty. Now Plenty.

If you're a home style user, well, you made a great choice.

I encourage you to experiment further and find the right temp stepping sequence that works for you.



You don't need to pay attention and document. Just relax and enjoy. When I read your post this morning, I just had a thought that a session graph might illuminate. Yeah, kind of a stoned thought in the morning, but I enjoyed the task. With my warrantee-voiding and fire-starting mod ideas, noticed I can vape, read temp guage, scribble down data points, hands free.

As a former hard core non-filter Camel smoker, I am floored everyday that I can get the easy draw -- for as long as I like -- when I inhale on the Plenty. (especially with longer tubing in coffee mug tree mod -- the "CMT" because everything needs a three letter abbreviation. Inhales are like butta!!)
After being somewhat frustrated with the technique/care/cleaning/ease of use, and freedom from fear of drained batteries or worse, the red/yellow flash of another Crafty's death, I can say in the words of Mr. Burgess: “Then, brothers, it came. Oh, bliss, bliss and heaven. I lay all nagoy to the ceiling, my gulliver on my rookers on the pillow, glazzies closed, rot open in bliss, slooshying the sluice of lovely sounds. Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh.”



Different desire/technique than I would prefer, but sounds like maybe a vape like E-Nano might fit the bill. Just a thought, don't own one. I'm more of a heavy hitter I guess. Should have mentioned in the graph that it was a .25 gram load, as usual using my goofy teaspoon loading tool.

I have changed technique a bit, now holding finger over mouthpiece at end of tube to keep residual vapor from escaping. Sounds sort of Ebenezer, but like the control. Silly, I know.

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Thanks for the kind words and Major Congrats to you on quitting smoking! I quit 3 times before and each time nearly 3 years apart from each other cold turkey but i went back to cigs in 2006 and just quit (with the help of ejuice this time) back in June of this year! Although this time I didn't go cold turkey.. I instead used 2 ejuice bottles.. one with 5% Nicotine and after that was gone I used the 0% Nicotine!

I think I made a pretty decent choice. I actually had my mind set on the Volcano Digit or the Crafty but decided on this. I'm probably much more of a noob than you are and I got a lot of my information on various vapes from That Vape Critic, GrassCity, and here before deciding the Plenty was best for me. I have been eyeballing that Vape Exhale Cloud Evo and I'm really impressed with the videos I've seen on youtube of it. But that price... oh that price.. eww..

Also I saw the other pic you posted with your whip mod! Seems like you got it completely hands free. Does the whip add any extra cooling (if anything just for the extra foot or so of vaper travel) or change the taste at all? Reason why I'm asking is because my first vape.. Some chinese knock off of the OG Easy Vape had a whip but i dont remember if the taste was at all different than our cooling coil with the plenty. Hell if i remember though.. that easy vape left a bad first impression of vaporizing to me to be honest, but the Plenty has changed all of that!

Anyhow I did speak to S&B today and I spoke to the repair department about my concern. The man was very nice and polite but i was a little displeased when I explained to him the problem and he said they have had problems with this before with the temperature gauge and he said after testing my Plenty with their equipment that there is still a chance they might send it right back to me. I explained to him that it's quite obvious that the temp dial rests at 110F now instead of 100F and that the temps went up approximately 10 to 15 degrees per dial setting probably due to that.

In the end I decided to clean my Plenty tonight after the GOP debate. I've had it for just over a month now and have never cleaned it so I kinda wanna dip that coil and the metal herb chamber housing in my 91% Iso Alcohol, either clean or replace my screens to see if it performs any better. I'm going to try this before i decide to send it in. I'm just shocked that when i spoke to the S&B guy that he actually said, "If we determine it's non functional only then will we replace it." Last time I checked when a product performs differently than the first day you got it the warranty should honor that? Anyhow here's to hoping I do get a new heating unit and not just a repair.

P.S. You wouldn't happen to know if they do replace the unit.. would they give me just a new heating unit or an entire new vaporizer brand new in the box with a new coil, mouth pieces, etc? I know I'm probably being too optimistic here!

ChooChooCharlie said:

Perhaps if you got a cheap D020 bubbler, use my CMT mod, insert tube.
Just enough water to halt vapor leak. Then relax between hits.

Even though load will be continually "roasted" from mere vertical alignment, temp of this naturally rising warmth should be significantly lower than actually pulling air with a draw.
But bubbler prevents leaks anyway. As the Prego ads said, "It's in there!"

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Although I do really think the coil is ok as is.. I'm always curious about how others are modding their vape and how they are used. Do you have a link to that bubbler or a picture of your mod? I've been so busy I still haven't had the time to read this thread yet. I did however skim through it and remember someone having pictures of some kind of water filtration that attaches right where the bottom of the cooling coil is. Looked very similar to that Vape Exhale Cloud Evo.

FlyingLow said:

@Socks~ I think another vape like the Lotus or the Nano would be great for you. You get exactly what you want and the material does not cook unless you tell it to. And they are both incredibly effective using tiny amounts.

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Thank you! I am really still interested in more efficient vapes as well. By efficient I mean using less herb. I have to admit, contrary to the popular belief that vaping somehow makes your herb last longer.. I'm just not seeing that with the Plenty. If anything I'm using far more. Although my main goal is to either stop combustion all together or stop medical marijuana all together, I still have been using either my glass spoon pipe or bong 1 or 2 days out of the 7 day week. I guess from time to time I do miss the combustion high despite me really want what's better for my health.

I have to admit, although I feel as if my tolerance is higher than most (I smoke or vape daily only in the evenings) last time I checked an eighth would last me two weeks if I just used my glass spoon and cover the bowl with the palm of my hand after taking a hit and about a week with my bong. Even loading up snapper bowls.. nothing makes my herb last longer for me than my glass spoon.

But of course, going back to smoking that unfiltered smoke from my spoon really tastes bad after vaping for 5 or 6 nights in row with my plenty. I use a glass screen in my spoon as well but toward the end, I still get a little ash in my throat.

I'll definitely have a look at the Nano and Lotus that mentioned! Thank you!

P.S. This weekend I'm actually going to buy some glass attachments that will turn my bong into an oil rig! I have never dabbed before in my life! I have only tried waxes and concentrates in a vape pen and the plenty. Not sure if I'm doing things wrong but Concentrates have had NO EFFECT on me with either.

I shouldn't have to spend more than $50 or so on the glass, dome and nail and another 30 for a torch. My real question is though.. Is dabbing vaporizing or smoking? Seems to me that it's actually a mix of both when you consider the temps? Sorry for going slightly off topic and I'll try to post those questions in the appropriate thread next time..

To dab is to vape.

You may be doing it wrong, timing and technique is important with concentrates. Too hot and your concentrate will splatter off the nail, too low a temp and it will melt and not vape.

As a smoker I would consume 2-3x more than your two week allotment, in one week. Plenty was my first vape and I also used at least as much or more than I did smoking- BUT this machine is what helped make me quit combustion with cigs and with trees.

Keep at it. Vape as much as you fucking need so long as it satisfies your craving to smoke. Your body will turn and I noticed the difference after about a month no combustion. Then grab one of these other efficient vapes and you will be in heaven (keep the Plenty- I regret letting mine go).

FlyingLow said:

To dab is to vape.

You may be doing it wrong, timing and technique is important with concentrates. Too hot and your concentrate will splatter off the nail, too low a temp and it will melt and not vape.

As a smoker I would consume 2-3x more than your two week allotment, in one week. Plenty was my first vape and I also used at least as much or more than I did smoking- BUT this machine is what helped make me quit combustion with cigs and with trees.

Keep at it. Vape as much as you fucking need so long as it satisfies your craving to smoke. Your body will turn and I noticed the difference after about a month no combustion. Then grab one of these other efficient vapes and you will be in heaven (keep the Plenty- I regret letting mine go).

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Looking back on what I said.. i realized something.. I made a mistake.. that 8th that I said lasted me two weeks was back when I actually ONLY USED TO SMOKE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT! God I can't believe i got things that twisted.. lol I'm never high when I post here actually! My apology though.. that was my mistake! Haha!

Also I wanted to clarify that when I spoke about doing my concentrates all wrong I was referring only to my vape pen with glass dome and my Plenty. Later on today I'll actually be taking my first dab as I mentioned and I can't wait!!

I really appreciate the tips on temp and the fact that it might splatter if too hot, or will melt if too low and not vape. My question is how do I know this? By judging the redness of the nail? I'm toying with the idea of just going with a glass nail and an extra replacement instead of the much better ceramic, titanium, quartz, and whatever else there is but the more I think about the idea of that glass nail shattering under that heat and or wasting my shatter.. I might just do the next cheapest option what ever that is. Also I thought dabbing was vaporizing as well and this reinstates what I first believed! Thank you for that info man. It's much appreciated.

Oh and I swear.. every time I hear one of you FC guys talk about what to expect as our lungs and our bodies get rid of all those toxins from combustion.. It really makes me feel as if I have another reason to quit smoking/combustion for good!!! It really gives me reassurance of the health benefits every time I read how much better you all feel physically after making that commitment to truly FUCK COMBUSTION! When I get my Plenty back from S&B I plan to ditch combustion for good and hopefully never have to smoke in a social situation again. I can't wait to reap the rewards and start feeling better after a month or so!

You will make it, don't worry about how much you vape- just don't combust.

Honestly I still have cravings, and have given in on more than one occasion. But the difference now is after I cheat the taste and feeling literally make me sick to my stomach, and if I have had anything to drink I can't hold it down... Kinda an embarrassing reaction when it happens, but it is a kind reminder I am no longer a smoker.

It still is bothersome to not even want to hit J's at concerts, festivals, etc. I am 100% fucked combustion.

I think quartz is the easiest to deal with and I prefer domeless castles and bangers. Each material nail has different heat times. I usually get my quartz glowing, the let it cool till the glow fades. Never really time it, but probably 20-30 seconds at least before it drops.

Everyone has different opinions on nails though, take mine with a grain of salt and get a ceramic, a titanium, and a quartz and try a few. Experiment

FlyingLow said:

You will make it, don't worry about how much you vape- just don't combust.

Honestly I still have cravings, and have given in on more than one occasion. But the difference now is after I cheat the taste and feeling literally make me sick to my stomach, and if I have had anything to drink I can't hold it down... Kinda an embarrassing reaction when it happens, but it is a kind reminder I am no longer a smoker.

It still is bothersome to not even want to hit J's at concerts, festivals, etc. I am 100% fucked combustion.

I think quartz is the easiest to deal with and I prefer domeless castles and bangers. Each material nail has different heat times. I usually get my quartz glowing, the let it cool till the glow fades. Never really time it, but probably 20-30 seconds at least before it drops.

Everyone has different opinions on nails though, take mine with a grain of salt and get a ceramic, a titanium, and a quartz and try a few. Experiment

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I'd go as far as to say during the first few months of vaping and trying to make the switch is when most of us are more likely to go back to smoking even if it is only in extreme moderation. I've been combusting at least every other week as well and when I do the feeling is definitely mutual when it comes to that nasty taste from smoking. I wouldn't be embarrassed at all. Hell.. I wish I already had it completely kicked! Like you said take that coughing as a "badge of honer" knowing you kicked it!

Yesterday I bought a couple of glass pieces to convert my bong to an oil rig. Lets just say, other than the heavy high (It didn't knock me on my ass or bring back that hallucinogenic "feeling like I was inside a dream" feeling I only got the very first Dozen or so times I smoked pot way back in Jr. High. I think I wasted a whole lot and I had trouble just getting it to dab. The titanium nail also doesn't turn red.. either that or I never noticed it.. so I have no idea how long to heat the damn thing. The nail also moves around a lot when I put use the dab tool through the dome and I had a hard time just getting the shit off the damn tool and onto the head of the nail.

To be honest I didn't like the smell in the air afterward either.. A mixture of Butane and that Concentrate smell and to be honest the smell reminds me of chemicals not THC. I honestly just don't like the whole process and what's involved. Much like others have said it reminds me of freebasing or smoking meth. I also am not a fan of keeping glass clean. I have tried countless times to make my own glass cleaner with Alc and table salt but it never works. The only thing that does work is Orange Chronic and even then My water pipe gets water marks and it seems I can never get it clean. Imagine if I'm that bad with a straight tube.. how frustrated I would be trying to clean on oil rig with percolators? Also I absolutely hate how sticky this shatter was and I really am not a fan of handling concentrates. I know, I know.. but I had to be honest here.

In the end, I hate to be a negative Nancy but the entire process left a very bad first impression to be honest. I know for a fact I wasted half of that .5 gram that I paid $30 dollars for already. Even my Plenty.. I'm still not 110% sure that I'm going through my dry herb efficiently but it feels like I know what I'm doing a lot more with that than with ANYTHING CONCENTRATES. Sure I dabbed and I got a decent hit but everytime I heat that thing I always feel as if I don't have a fucking clue as to what I'm doing.

I'll be posting in the concentrates forum pretty soon. I probably will get a lot of people rolling theirs eyes at me after I tell them about my experience. I'm not giving up on it yet though.. I'm just saying after wasting so much money trying to get concentrates of all types to work in my Plenty, my vape pen with glass dome and now my rig.. I honestly don't think they are worth the time and money for me.

I would love to be convinced otherwise though.

Here's a tip about cleaning the cooling coil: Do not put it in a pot of boiling water.
I beg you.
After cleaning that mess I stumbled upon similar advice in tubing thread. Posted four years ago!
As @max said, it melts, diffuses throughout the boiling water, leaving a lovely sticky micro film everywhere. Disposed of my tongs.
Let alone the stank! The horror, the horror

Anyway, think I'll stick to Iso and rock salt. Give ends of coil good twisting scrub with piece of Iso moistened clean eraser. Then plug ends with nifty silicone mini stoppers from @Ratchett . Then can shake it like a percussionist in a salsa band. Rinse, repeat every week perhaps at my rate. Been workin' on this railroad all the live long day.

Also wanted to show you folks a revealing picture. To me, at least.
I only intended to take a shot of the voids left when you use a small load.

Had no idea this would happen. Or, rather, not happen.
You see, I always thought that herb would go "flying around in a whirlwind" without some screen or liquid pad sort of holding the herb. I've read it on the internet, so it must be true.

Nope. Don't have to be a CSI to see that the herb particles were not doing a whirling dervish dance. Looks like a particle at the eight o'clock position did a backflip, though.



Of course I can keep the plenty stable and upright throughout the session with my "altered use" -- not really a mod. And at least with my draw speed. I like nice slow even 6-10 second pull, same kind of
work your diaphram would do to inhale a cig. Of course using the Plenty, with its greater flow, my lungs will be fuller than with an equally timed draw from Crafty, and therefore less dense.

But wait, there's more!

With a Crafty sized load, around 0.18g, even if I could train my draw to exactly match the volume of inhaled gas, the Plenty sample would be less dense (vapor density, sometimes confusingly referred to as an air/vapor ratio)
It's geometry. Plenty design emphasized a large surface area, a short cylinder. Great idea, except when load is less than around 0.25-0.3.
As you can see by either pic, there are many voids. (I use fine mesh BTW) Inhaled hot air just flows right through those voids with nary a hyped up heated molecule interaction with our herb. Density just went down. You're still gonna get your goodies with these small loads, just noticeably less dense than Crafty, and session time increases with more draws. Hell of a lot more enjoyable draws, but that's a different tale. (also, if I draw rapidly just for kicks, have noticed clumping and more voids in ABV layer)

Here's where the story takes a sad turn:
I've read of many frustrated Plenty users. They are not getting consistency, or vapor just isn't flowing, etc.
Even with liquid pad, bet with a Crafty sized load, pad would not secure herb particles from shifting. With a slightly sticky liquid pad from use, the particles actually stick in clumps in craggy nooks of the pad -- makes the voids even larger.
But we rarely have the skill and patience to carefully lift liquid pad after a small load session to check for shifting, as just lifting pad shifts it. Then after a couple times you discover the liquid pad stays wedged all by itself it the upper black chamber. Great, you think. Nope. That means the pad is a tiny bit further removed from your diminutive layer of herb.

For many of these users, I fear that the herbs were shifting either just before or during session, leaving voids, leading to less density, frustration, and then because vapor getting less, think it's spent, oh, no, ABV unable to reach its full giving potential ... Sorry ... I'm getting verklempt ... Talk amongst yourselves, topic: ABV color vs extraction ...

OK, better now. Gotta keep on schedule, my locomotive awaits.

@ChooChooCharlie

I just cleaned by my plenty and noticed some serious improvement. I can do about 3 to 4 pass throughs on level 5 before moving up to 6 and my session last night lasted nearly 15 minutes with about a .3 in there. Not only that the vapor was actually flowing out of the mouthpiece and I was getting much improved draws. I only soaked the coil in a glass of 91% Iso and let it set overnight like the instructions say and of course had to wipe the edges down real good as well. Just Iso and no salt is ok right? Seems like everytime I try to make that salt and iso solution to clean my glass it never worked as well as Orange Chronic.

I know when you vape you got that sweet little mod that keeps it upright but wow man! I'm surprised at the spent herbs barely changing positions. Since you weren't using the liquid pad and since the plenty doesn't have a hot fan like the volcano.. this would only be caused from long hard draws if I'm not mistaken?

I haven't loaded up a small bowl that didn't cover up the bottom screen in a long time but I didn't remember it working very well and not getting strong pulls with it. But apparently you did so maybe I should try it again now. Lately I have been weighing every load for the past week. I usually eyeball what I feel i want to vape and throw it in the grinder. After grinding I set the chamber housing on my digital scale, hit tare and pour in the herb using a piece of paper curved in half. This usually ends up being between .3 and .5 on average. The thing is I still use the liquid pad all the time and the only time I didn't was one time I actually did fill the chamber up completely. I don't weigh it that time though.

But even with a .2 which barley will cover the bottom screen if I remember right..that liquid pad always sticks to the top of the filling chamber cap. This happens all the time.. is this normal? Also my ABV is much more darker than yours almost like coffee grounds. I always start at 4.5 on the dial and eventually will hit 7 to make sure everything is spent.

As far as the other problems you mentioned that Plenty users have had goes.. I only went through that the first few sessions. I wasn't getting much visible vapor at all for the first 2 or 3 sessions and it wasn't after that until I started seeing the vapor really started flowing and I was able to get nice clouds of visible and tasty vapor that I was never able to get with my EZ Vape.

I still want to return it regardless because of the calibration issue I mentioned before but I'll let you know how the rest of the week goes. Maybe the liquid pad isn't going to stick to the filling chamber cap anymore now that it's clean. Any opinions on the way I'm doing things from anyone would be more than welcome. Thanks man!

Socks And Sandals said:

@ChooChooCharlie
I just cleaned by my plenty ... Just Iso and no salt is ok right?

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I put the coarse salt in with Iso cause I read it several times on this form. Everything I know I learned in kindergarten and from reading FC. Just ordered some Powdered Brewery Wash and a flexible cleaning brush meant for sharp bends in tubing. Can't hurt I suppose. Heard that before.

Socks And Sandals said:

@ChooChooCharlie
I know when you vape you got that sweet little mod that keeps it upright but wow man! I'm surprised at the spent herbs barely changing positions. Since you weren't using the liquid pad and since the plenty doesn't have a hot fan like the volcano.. this would only be caused from long hard draws if I'm not mistaken?

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Not hard draws. Unless you mean that only hard draws would visibly shake them up/around, yes.

Guess I stumbled upon the unicorn of convection via whip.
No packed puck in a hot glass tube.
Would love to be able to watch that herb do a micro hot air levitation shuffle during draw.

Yes, the whip tubing does assist cooling on setting 7, as the first six inches get warm. Don't sense any change in draw temp. Always cool, fun to direct cool vapor around mouth. Did Crafty session today while out -- felt like I was on a vapor diet, sipping Plenty lite. Could also feel the distinct and irritating draw restriction compared to Plenty. And so long cool refreshing vapor stream. Still cooler than Ascent, for example, but I've been plenty spoiled.

If anyone in our audience would like to play along with the home game,
here's the coffee mug tree:
http://www.amazon.com/Tripar-International-Inc-Arm-Stand/dp/B005C3K8JS
and here is silicone tubing:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FOWGGW/ref=biss_dp_t_asn
If you try to cut whip longer than 36 inches, draw resistance increases.
Yes, outside surface of tubing is lint trap, but use mug tree loop to keep aloft.
Yes, tubing gets smelly after week to month depending on use.
It's cheap. Replace, don't try to clean.

But, @Socks And Sandals , like I previously suggested, and was also suggested by @FlyingLow , a different vape like E-Nano would suit your vaping style nicely. Come on, catch the V.A.S. fever!!

The team at Storz-Bickel have an admirable design aesthetic of "Form follows Function."

They must have been plagued with the overbearing regulations of the European Union's CE low voltage directive during Plenty development. There is even a separate standards directive just for plug in vaporizers for God's sake.

So the purity the Plenty's design based on function/use became compromised by safety standards.
(not that there's anything wrong with that, just a bit overboard).

That ingenious steel cooling coil! Perfect example of form following function.
But, it gets very hot. Safety standards kick in now -- is there a reasonable chance that the coil could ignite something if it touches drapes, etc., or unit is knocked over onto something flammable.
Damn, now can't have a flat bottom -- can't risk it being knocked over. Have to have dead man switch. Bright orange color highlights to indicate hot areas and controls. You get the picture.
(Hell, even that little tag on power cord -- I thought the S-B team maybe were showing a little wink and nod humor -- nope, it's required by EN60335-2-101:2002,clause 7.12)

That's why they must explicitly state that it is unauthorized and a violation of warrantee to "fix" the handle in the activation position. Liability and loss of their CE cert.

The coffee mug tree "altered use" is actually safer than using the Plenty hand held.
That's the irony.

ChooChooCharlie said:

is there a reasonable chance that the coil could ignite something if it touches drapes, etc., or unit is knocked over onto something flammable.

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No.

Even if the coil was at the same temperature as the bowl (it's not, btw. It's probably ~200°F below bowl temp) that temp would be too low to ignite anything.

Stu said:

No.

Even if the coil was at the same temperature as the bowl (it's not, btw. It's probably ~200°F below bowl temp) that temp would be too low to ignite anything.

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Hi @Stu - cool, you bother to read my overly long post. Thanks - see you're quite the veteran FC'er.

But, no, I wasn't really asking a question. Was wearing the hat of an attorney, speaking their lingo of, "your honor, there was a reasonable expectation that ..."

In my awkward and long-winded way, I was trying to say these irksome design elements were not an oversight or miss-step. Heard reviewers bashing the Plenty along these lines.

I should have been more precise in my post, and said that "I have a suspicion that..." or, "in my opinion" design elements like curved bottom, thick cord, odd color scheme, dead man switch, etc., appear to be driven by fear of litigation or meeting standards in the CE docs.

Thanks for reading and responding!

ChooChooCharlie said:

I put the coarse salt in with Iso cause I read it several times on this form. Everything I know I learned in kindergarten and from reading FC. Just ordered some Powdered Brewery Wash and a flexible cleaning brush meant for sharp bends in tubing. Can't hurt I suppose. Heard that before.

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Can't say I remember too much from Kindergarten.. other than getting into my first fist fight with a kid in the sandbox because he threw fire ants at me! Haha!But seriously I googled the PBW wash and bookmarked it. Not too long ago I was really interested in brewing some nice english ale myself so I am familiar with it as far as it being used in cleaning out kettles and other beer brewing equipment. Was this mentioned earlier in this thread? I left off on page 9 and have been super busy the past few days but I will finish this thread! Also no aftertaste whatsoever with the coil? I'm assuming this is used in place of your iso and salt method? Or is this in addition to all that?

ChooChooCharlie said:

Not hard draws. Unless you mean that only hard draws would visibly shake them up/around, yes.

Yes, the whip tubing does assist cooling on setting 7, as the first six inches get warm. Don't sense any change in draw temp. Always cool, fun to direct cool vapor around mouth. Did Crafty session today while out -- felt like I was on a vapor diet, sipping Plenty lite. Could also feel the distinct and irritating draw restriction compared to Plenty. And so long cool refreshing vapor stream. Still cooler than Ascent, for example, but I've been plenty spoiled.

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Yes I meant since this is a draw activated vape (without a fan) that hard draws would move the herb around.

I'm surprised the whip tubing got warm at all but I sure know what you mean about it being lint magnet on the outside of the tubing. Remember I dabbled with an Easy Vape before so yes I do remember that lint.. and even more the kinks!

I swear I almost got the mighty.. and find it hilarious how you refer to your crafty as a Plenty lite!

Unless I do move onto another vape.. (I'm still eyeballing the Mighty, Volcano and that expensive but sweet looking Cloud Exhale Evo or whatever it's called)..I am kinda interested in your stand set up. Do you notice the plenty performing better upright and with no liquid pad? I used to use the plenty like that with the kickstand method of sticking the cleaning brush in the hole. For the past month however I've always been lying it down on it's side usually with anywhere between a .3 and a .8 in there. I haven't been observant enough on whether there is any difference using our Plenty upright or sitting down as long as the material doesn't shift. I gotta admit I really wish they designed this thing to stand up.

Also one thing I've noticed about the cooling coil.. if the tubing on the mouthpiece and upper chamber housing isn't in just right the coil can get very hot and even generate a slight hotness in the mouthpiece. It wasn't scalding or anything but it was enough to pull it away from my lips prematurely on one occasion. In the end, I found out it was just a matter of pulling the lower tubing almost clear to the end of the coil before twisting it evenly in the black upper chamber housing. The tubing on the mouthpiece is almost impossible to get wrong.

Oh and yes I checked out Flying Low's suggestions.. The E Nano would better suit my style.. I wasn't crazy about the lotus butane method. The E Nano does seem to be very herb efficient from a few pages of the thread I read and believe me it's under consideration for me as well.

Still don't think I'm ever going to own a collection of vapes like a lot of you FC guys! I'm so jealous that some of you have a vape for each day of the week! LOL!

Anyhow I'd really like to learn more about herb efficiency in the Plenty compared to other vapes as well as what to do with the ABV.. I already have 13 grams so far since owning the Plenty. I'm thinking edibles but I'll wait till I finish this thread or hear more.. which ever comes first.