BEST TEMP INSOMNIA RELATED TO (PTSD) MIGHTY VAPE.

Clouding said:

I dont think it affects my tolerance that badly, i tend to enjoy green more in day time and something stronger before bedtime... kinda like with weed wine tea and coffee, using the right thing at the right time...

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Well stated.. That's exactly how I roll..It's all about moderation and timing. Use concentrates in moderation, at the right dose, at the right time.. I've been able to keep my tolerance in check using both the green and concentrates..

If you have trouble getting to sleep, use flowers. If you have trouble staying asleep, use concentrates. A rather large dab of prime shatter .08g an hour before bed is my perscription!!

Chill Dude said:

Well stated.. That's exactly how I roll..It's all about moderation and timing. Use concentrates in moderation, at the right dose, at the right time.. I've been able to keep my tolerance in check using both the green and concentrates..

If you have trouble getting to sleep, use flowers. If you have trouble staying asleep, use concentrates. A rather large dab of prime shatter .08g an hour before bed is my perscription!!

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How do you use the concentrates? on which machine? temp and details?

And Compassion, i skimmed through the forum rules, and bumping isnt allowed, but we got lots of feedback and i hope for more.

I cut a Mighty concentrate pad yesterday 40/60, and it taste stronger (much sweeter/almost vulgar/but good) ...i also get more vapour out of it and maybe it works stronger (think so)

But i was afraid of the knif, in the dark, being wasted

Scissors are great, and do it Compassion, its worth it!!!!

Clouding said:

How do you use the concentrates? on which machine? temp and details?

And Compassion, i skimmed through the forum rules, and bumping isnt allowed, but we got lots of feedback and i hope for more.

I cut a Mighty concentrate pad yesterday 40/60, and it taste stronger (much sweeter/almost vulgar/but good) ...i also get more vapour out of it and maybe it works stronger (think so)

But i was afraid of the knif, in the dark, being wasted

Scissors are great, and do it Compassion, its worth it!!!!

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So you cut yours in half. What did you put in the middle of it to try?

Make a kinds of an flower and concentrate sandwich with the concentrates in the middle. The herb will absorb the wax. There is usually more wax left when the herb is toasted just add more flowers. I do this with my Solo vaporizer. You can do this with almost any vape. Just clean off with a qtip afterwards. You can use hemp fiber or cotton to lay your concentrate on and wrap it up in the oven of whatever vaporizer that you are using.

Clouding said:

I cut a Mighty concentrate pad yesterday 40/60

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Post some pics of your pad. (How you cut it). Show me what it looks like in the chamber. God Bless!!

Clouding said:

How do you use the concentrates? on which machine? temp and details?

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Most of the time I use an oil rig with a torch.. I recently switched from a titanium nail to a high end Halen Quartz nail. I've found the Quartz gives me a cleaner, smoother, better tasting hit. If I dab with this rig in the daytime, I sometimes get over medicated.. I prefer flowers when I indulge in the daytime.

For dabs, I also use a VB Dabbler pen. It works well and is convenient for on the go. I also use the concentrate pad on my Herbalizer @ 445F. It works well, but the downside is it takes maybe 12 hits to finish a small dab. If I ever do dabs during the day I'll typically reach for the VB pen or the Herbalizer..A dab with my oil rig will slap me in the face too fucking hard and put me in the unproductive category for an hour or two hahaha...big oil rig dabs I save for later in the evening..

So I guess this brings up another question: Does hit size matter, or is it the medicated effect the same using the same amount of concentrate? My conclusion is that hit size definately matters. If I do a big .1g dab with my dab rig and a massive exhale, I will get way more medicated than doing multiple hits with a vaporizer using the same .1g amount.. YMMV...

I am having second thoughts on trying any wax, shatter, or hash. I do not want to SPEED, or have any type of CEREBRAL FEELINGS, that will increase my angst , I need to for my Insomnia. I do not want ANY hallucinogenic effects as well. I already have a low tolerance when it comes to flower. I do not want something that is going to to be in the (80 to 85 percent THC range if that is the effects I am going to feel). I need CBN, and where I live as a patient they do not have anything here yet. The craze is all THC, and CBD oils, pills, cookies, pies, candies, dabbing, I'm not on that bullshit. If anybody could shed some light on my problem, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you, God Bless!!!! P.S. If I do try anything my best options I feel that could possibly provide sedation is first, a company that makes Indica oil. Second, Bubble hash, or Bubba shatter, and last Purple OG shatter. If anybody could give me their on my options available to me, that would be great Thanks again!!!

THC degrades to CBN... maybe you could "over-decarb" some material in the oven to make it more sedative?

friedrich said:

THC degrades to CBN... maybe you could "over-decarb" some material in the oven to make it more sedative?

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Thanks fri. I know that it degrades to CBN. When you say "over-decarb" some material in the oven. What do you mean? Put my flower in the oven for a certain amount of time before I vape, or smoke it?? Thanks again!!!!! P.S. What temps, and for how long??

Compassion said:

Thanks fri. I know that it degrades to CBN. When you say "over-decarb" some material in the oven. What do you mean? Put my flower in the oven for a certain amount of time before I vape, or smoke it?? Thanks again!!!!! P.S. What temps, and for how long??

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I don't know about over-decarbing, you may have to experiment on that one. The process of degradation that @freidriich is referring to is oxidation, the tick may be to let it oxidize without it drying out too much.

But I have to say that for myself I prefer a high-thc indica to get to sleep, I may be different from you in this respect because high cbd strains keep me up and cbn actually makes me feel toxic like when I combust.

grokit said:

I don't know about over-decarbing, you may have to experiment on that one. The process of degradation that @freidriich is referring to is oxidation, the tick may be to let it oxidize without it drying out too much.

But I have to say that for myself I prefer a high-thc indica to get to sleep, I may be different from you in this respect because high cbd strains keep me up and cbn actually makes me feel toxic like when I combust.

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I am willing to try high-thc indica as long as I feel comfortable for sleep. I don't want to feel that other crap I was talking about (Angst, Hallucinogenic, or speedy or racing thoughts). Body, Body, Body, lol. What do you think would be the best to try with my Mighty first grokit??? A full indica oil, bubba hash, bubba shatter, or purple og?? Thanks again everybody for taking the time to help me! God Bless!!

Compassion said:

Thanks fri. I know that it degrades to CBN. When you say "over-decarb" some material in the oven. What do you mean? Put my flower in the oven for a certain amount of time before I vape, or smoke it?? Thanks again!!!!! P.S. What temps, and for how long??

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I really don't know, it was just a thought, never tried it myself... but I'd probably start by taking a look at the famous decarb graph. If you decide to try it, let us know how it works out!

Compassion said:

I am willing to try high-thc indica as long as I feel comfortable for sleep. I don't want to feel that other crap I was talking about (Angst, Hallucinogenic, or speedy or racing thoughts). Body, Body, Body, lol. What do you think would be the best to try with my Mighty first grokit??? A full indica oil, bubba hash, bubba shatter, or purple og?? Thanks again everybody for taking the time to help me! God Bless!!

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I wish I could help with all those choices! Even though I am in a "legal state" I am severely limited, even in strain selection and no concentrates/edibles unless I make them myself. From what I understand most recreational/non-medical concentrates are mostly thc anyways as far as actives go, but by no means am I an authority on this subject. As far as hallucinogenic, or speedy/racing thoughts, I would say that this rarely happens to me but I know what you're saying. Your body may not have enough cannabinoid receptors built up yet so I would start out slowly with this strategy. And there's always the peppercorn trick.

Compassion said:

I am willing to try high-thc indica as long as I feel comfortable for sleep. I don't want to feel that other crap I was talking about (Angst, Hallucinogenic, or speedy or racing thoughts). Body, Body, Body, lol. What do you think would be the best to try with my Mighty first grokit??? A full indica oil, bubba hash, bubba shatter, or purple og?? Thanks again everybody for taking the time to help me! God Bless!!

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If sleep is desired, yeah I'd go with a strong indica flower.. Stay away from sativas as they will cause the racing thoughts, edginess and anxiousness that you are trying to avoid. You have a low tolerance so I think I'd stay away from concentrates until you're more experienced. As far as indicas for sleep, I'd recommend one of the following: bubba kush, granddaddy purple, grape ape, purple urkle, purple kush are a few that come to mind..

Chill Dude said:

If sleep is desired, yeah I'd go with a strong indica flower.. Stay away from sativas as they will cause the racing thoughts, edginess and anxiousness that you are trying to avoid. You have a low tolerance so I think I'd stay away from concentrates until you're more experienced. As far as indicas for sleep, I'd recommend one of the following: bubba kush, granddaddy purple, grape ape, purple urkle, purple kush are a few that come to mind..

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Thanks Chill!! I have tried all of them.I have to combust though even though I have the MIGHTY. With the MIGHTY I get stimulated with flower, that is why I was going to try concentrates. When it comes to my MIGHTY I have a high tolerance apparently. No matter how much I put in the chamber, temp jacked all the way up to 410F, big vape clouds, and taste=NO SEDATION whatsoever!!!! What are your opinions on these flower strains for insomnia. Pre 98 Bubba, Violator, Purple OG, or Diamond OG??? I have not tried these. P.S . I use LEAFLY's website as a guide. Thanks again!!!!

One thing though, if you're worried about too much psychoactive effect is to use an indica-dominant hybrid as opposed to a true 100% indica. When I use a true indica I get spaced out myself if it's been a while. My ideal routine lately is sativa-dominant hybrids in the daytime for productivity, and indica-dominant hybrids in the evening for sedation. It's easier for me to keep in balance this way if you know what I mean.

Compassion said:

What are your opinions on these flower strains for insomnia. Pre 98 Bubba, Violator, Purple OG, or Diamond OG??? I have not tried these. P.S . I use LEAFLY's website as a guide. Thanks again!!!!

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Any Bubba or purple strain would be considered good medicine for insomnia. The OG's are a mixed bag, some are very sedative while others have more cerebral effects which you don't seem to have a liking for. Two good OG strains for sleep are True OG and King Louis XIV. Additionally, most kush strains will work great like Afghani Kush or Purple Kush.

I don't know why your finding heavy indicas stimulating? Are you taking any pharmaceuticals that could be causing your insomnia?

Chill Dude said:

Any Bubba or purple strain would be considered good medicine for insomnia. The OG's are a mixed bag, some are very sedative while others have more cerebral effects which you don't seem to have a liking for. Two good OG strains for sleep are True OG and King Louis XIV. Additionally, most kush strains will work great like Afghani Kush or Purple Kush.

I don't know why your finding heavy indicas stimulating? Are you taking any pharmaceuticals that could be causing your insomnia?

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They are only stimulating when I use them in my MIGHTY VAPORIZER. Thank you for your knowledge of strains CHILL DUDE!!! Tomorrow, I am picking up some Violator, Pre 98 Bubba, and some Purple OG flower. Wish me good luck!! I spent 400 damn dollars on this MIGHTY, I have tried other vapes before, and know how to use them. LOL, but all they do is stimulate me. So...... I have to combust for now. P.S. What do you think about me possibly trying some Grape ape crumble, or some Obama kush crumble in my MIGHTY. Everything else has failed.

Compassion said:

TWhat do you think about me possibly trying some Grape ape crumble, or some Obama kush crumble in my MIGHTY.

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Those are good nighttime strains! Sandwich some Grape Ape crumble inside the pre 98 Bubba. I'm getting tired just thinking about it...

Hopefully it will work for you....

Chill Dude said:

Those are good nighttime strains! Sandwich some Grape Ape crumble inside the pre 98 Bubba. I'm getting tired just thinking about it...

Hopefully it will work for you....

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Awesome thanks!!! I will keep you posted. God Bless!!!

Compassion said:

They are only stimulating when I use them in my MIGHTY VAPORIZER. Thank you for your knowledge of strains CHILL DUDE!!! Tomorrow, I am picking up some Violator, Pre 98 Bubba, and some Purple OG flower. Wish me good luck!! I spent 400 damn dollars on this MIGHTY, I have tried other vapes before, and know how to use them. LOL, but all they do is stimulate me. So...... I have to combust for now. P.S. What do you think about me possibly trying some Grape ape crumble, or some Obama kush crumble in my MIGHTY. Everything else has failed.

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Thats a lot of activity, if i want to getaway from home or jus chiill @ Compassion

And yeah ive thought about the 400 dollar since you first posted...

And i claim that us two have in some ways ´a higher tolerance´ than the people here who ONLY vape. Yesterday i could postpone my first joint to 00.11 nite time, and i was vaping only, all day. That let me feel more sensitive towards vaping (NOT TAKING ONE TOKE /100% AVOIDING COMBUSTION) ....and i felt more tired in the evening, after vaping hash on the Mighty.

So im not claiming you got a high tolerance, not due to the amount you use, but due to smoking, it is more aggressive than vaping ...but if you can live with you insomnia for a week or two = maybe you can take a small holiday or something where you dont have to worry about sleeping/getting up that much... Time the transition, so it wont stress you this much... and then try quit smoking 100% and your Mighty will be much more powerful!

And another discussion, green or concentrates.. Very lil´ or no concentrates are as psychoactive or potent as the stuff you talk about: hallucinogenic or feeling speedy, i had a close to hallucinogenic effect 21 years ago when i tried indoor grown skunk for the first time.

Its a long time a ago, and have been a heavy smoker and im also a heavy vaper. And i dont feel it remotely, at least not hallucinations...

But everything is relative, and i think most people have tried micro-micro-psychosis´ and/or small hallucinations, but just as likely without thc, as with... i wouldnt be worried about that!


And feeling uplifted: any thc product can do that, depending on your mood and atmosphere and what you do. Smoking a joint at a rave, will lift me up, being social, discussing deep shit, that will also lift me up, also being stoned, even on oil or budder...its always up to circumstances...

And again, its more than "MEDs"! Think about your life as a whole...

Maybe its like with me, you have more energy at nite, think more at nite, is more creative at nite.... many have rhythms like that, like biological rhythms, when your really awake and when your not.


But lets cut this short: get some oil with both thc and cbn and use max heating.

PM Herbivore21, he promised to help you

With the pad, id love to make it for your, but this forum sadly isnt physical

Just beware with the knife and scissors: cut the pad open in the side with a sharp knife, and then use scissors, and then maybe knife again and then scissors // DONT!!!CUT!!!YOURSELF, HAVE SOMONETOMONITORYOUREVERYMOVE/AND/CALL THEAMBULANCEhohoh

Yeah and like most said here: the right strain, at the right temp, will feel more uplifting...

It will NOT would make me racy/or speedy, running around... but uplifted, and i would be able to be more active and more alive

Ive never been uncontrollable hyperactive or manic under the influence of THC. Only combined with caffeine or something else!

But many/most can feel uplifted.... they think a lot, feel a lot, talk a lot, walk, skateboard, dance, party
...or other ways of enjoying their high... and thats not what your going for Compassion, but i still wouldnt be afraid of it, its not like amphetamines, meth, mdma, coke or crack and i promise


This is how i see the difference between high and stoned:

HIGH able to function, work, study, being active, being able to talk with strangers and understand them. Being under the influence, but with out others may noticing it. More normal eyes and appearance, especially vaping the material.

STONED sleepy, smaller eyes, red eyes, less open to change and activity, limited energy, couch locked and some mental abilities are slowed. Like being a fetus!

And you need to get stoned! PM Herbivore21, he seems like the expert ont hat good low

Trying to shorten it down:

Smoking can work against vaping, smoking is more aggressive, and it therefore have a big effect on your tolerance. Many smokers dont feel stoned or effected... some feel not full, and insatiable... and some get a very different effect, something a few dont like... like a light or strong head high, which you cant (easily) get smoking...


But i personally guarantee you, that you can get the effect of drowsiness, and without feeling high

with a vaporizer like the Mighty, which you already got


1. Tolerance / transitional phase:
When your in bed, you dont feel you got as stoned as your used to... if its possible, take some time off where you try quitting smoking 100% and give yourself some slack, dont stress it...

And it is a big thing, its a transition, so try to make the circumstances the best and be good to yourself and try to accept and understand some frustrations etc!

2. Concentrates: the right combination of thc and cbn i think... will be heavy, make you drowsy and effect the brain, but not like lsd, crack or speed!

3. The paranoia: im older and experienced, thc doesnt frighten me in any way. Some people are ultra sensitive tho, but your gonna use in very small doses and night time only, i wouldnt worry!

Compassion said:

Post some pics of your pad. (How you cut it). Show me what it looks like in the chamber. God Bless!!

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Yeah i should, but its very easy to picture :

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Above is ASCII art showing it.


Cut in 40 / 60%, with more material for the top.

The cut is placed like burger buns.

And sharp knife and scissors / BEWARE

Chill Dude said:

Most of the time I use an oil rig with a torch.. I recently switched from a titanium nail to a high end Halen Quartz nail. I've found the Quartz gives me a cleaner, smoother, better tasting hit. If I dab with this rig in the daytime, I sometimes get over medicated.. I prefer flowers when I indulge in the daytime.

For dabs, I also use a VB Dabbler pen. It works well and is convenient for on the go. I also use the concentrate pad on my Herbalizer @ 445F. It works well, but the downside is it takes maybe 12 hits to finish a small dab. If I ever do dabs during the day I'll typically reach for the VB pen or the Herbalizer..A dab with my oil rig will slap me in the face too fucking hard and put me in the unproductive category for an hour or two hahaha...big oil rig dabs I save for later in the evening..

So I guess this brings up another question: Does hit size matter, or is it the medicated effect the same using the same amount of concentrate? My conclusion is that hit size definately matters. If I do a big .1g dab with my dab rig and a massive exhale, I will get way more medicated than doing multiple hits with a vaporizer using the same .1g amount.. YMMV...

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Sounds lovely, its what most Europeans watch on youtube, and not at home... i feel ripped off buying concentrates here, so until its legal and all grow, ill have to wait. Should buy a pen tho and a lil to put in it, will some day...

And Machine/method vs effect

Nails should be more aggressive than a bong, smoking more aggressive than vaping, and some vaporizers are far more aggressive than others... i see big differences a well, and im curious...

For some its extreme, almost like wanting to OD (which is impossible i know)... but i also like a bigger spectrum from soft to knock out! Id love to met your set up halfway, but with Vapes only, i need the last one, a more aggressive knock out