Discontinued The Grasshopper

syrupy said:

@nonbeliever, in your post above you said you were using a one-hitter for years, and that the GH was a "different smoking experience". Could you explain, were you combusting all those years, and vaping now. or ...? It catches my eye when someone mentions a vape and smoking in the same sentence, so I want to make sure what you meant. Thanks.

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I've smoked herb for a long time. My weapon of choice until about a year and half ago has been a one-hitter - combustion - flame and fire heated. Probably for at least the last 15 or 20 years. I've wanted to find a cleaner approach. When I say it is a different smoking experience, smoking is probably a poor word to use - It's a different experience of getting medicated. It's giving me the intensity of a one-hitter hit, but I can taste the flower cleanly (it is a convection vape). I'm finding (over the couple of hours I've had it) that I'm not hitting as often as I was with either an o-pen or my one-hitter. Nowhere near as harsh as the one-hitter, but a little harsher than the o-pen (as I'd expect). I am finding simply by taking in a little air in at the same time - like you would smoking a joint, it lightens up the harshness there. I can also tell you, I am much more medicated with a small amount of flower than I am used to.

EDIT: I'm using it at 3.5 and 4 mostly. 5 to finish what is in the oven.

nonbeliever said:

I've smoked herb for a long time. My weapon of choice until about a year and half ago has been a one-hitter - combustion - flame and fire heated. Probably for at least the last 15 or 20 years. I've wanted to find a cleaner approach. When I say it is a different smoking experience, smoking is probably a poor word to use - It's a different experience of getting medicated. It's giving me the intensity of a one-hitter hit, but I can taste the flower cleanly (it is a convection vape). I'm finding (over the couple of hours I've had it) that I'm not hitting as often as I was with either an o-pen or my one-hitter. Nowhere near as harsh as the one-hitter, but a little harsher than the o-pen (as I'd expect). I am finding simply by taking in a little air in at the same time - like you would smoking a joint, it lightens up the harshness there. I can also tell you, I am much more medicated with a small amount of flower than I am used to.

EDIT: I'm using it at 3.5 and 4 mostly. 5 to finish what is in the oven.

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That is exactly what I want out of it!

slcbdco said:

I have had my GH for 3 weeks and I have a pax2 and even though I like having both, I think you made the right choice just getting the GH!

At this point I only use my pax2 for vaping my mix of tobacco herbs and weed as the pax2 is great for tobacco and frankly with the efficiency of the GH I'm kinda afraid to try tobacco in it lest i end up in a nicotine coma!

The first thing you'll notice between the two is the flavor of the GH is FAR superior. Also you can get way higher from way less weed. The pax2 needs to be fully packed where the GH will vape even the tiniest amounts and get a few tasty powerful hits.

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When you think about the price of a GH vs. a pax2, if you really need to stand around in a circle, I think the solution to that is just get two GHs! In all seriousness I'm excited for you, the GH on heads up comparison really makes the pax2 which is elegant and fine, kinda obsolete :-)

One more thing, since I still have a pax2 I can do silly experiments, I turned my pax2 on to temp 3. I then loaded a GH turned it on, took 3 rips and was high unloaded the GH and put it away before the pax2 was ready ... just to give perspective.

Also cleaning is way easier, like almost non-existent.

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Thanks much for your post! I'm tempted, but I do have the Pax2, as well as the Pax1... you might say I've been a loyal fan. But the GH looks awesome and the way it's being explained it seems too good to be true! How can something like that be virtually never in need of cleaning? Is it because you don't have to pack tight and therefore no "brick resin" left to cling to the screen? I don't understand how it stays so clean inside.

Finally, I know I made it more of a statement in my original post, but this time as a question: Is the GH a conduction and a convection device?? I can't understand how it convects.

Anyway, thanks again for reaching back out.

mod note: Moved from the Pax 2 thread

HillaryClinton said:

The middle stays cool-slighty warm, front gets damn hot, back gets hot.

Guessing its an issue....not gonna use it then...oh well.

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You can definitely keep using it, I used mind for a week with that defect no problem but also email them so they can address it, definitely sounds like the collar issue to me

@JoeMama I definitely recommend the GH even with a pax/pax2. I just recently got rid of my pax but keep my pax2 for the reasons I describe.

This is a pure convection vape, the chamber sits above the heater and air pass through the heater and into the chamber so unlike the pax the bud doesn't cook while you're not drawing. This is why I think the flavor is superior as well as the efficiency. I'm with @nonbeliever in that when I use this device I get more medicated with less hits and bud that most methods of consumption.

Since it is convection you can also use very small amounts unlike the pax that needs a full pack for optimal performance of heat transfer.

As for cleaning, I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why it's easier to clean but I think the most is probably that since it's not being baked it's not as sticky with the inside surface.

Most bowls I can just tap and the ABV falls out. Occasionally I'll use the pen clip but still never any residue apart from using a dry q-tip for small particles.

I deep clean with some ISO maybe once a week and it's worth doing as you get some reclaim in the tip after awhile. Drop the tip in ISO, rub a q-tip with ISO in the bowl and if necessary I use a paper clip to pick out the reclaim in the tip once the ISO loosens it up, super easy.

I like my pax2 a lot but I totally get why someone. might now believe what they're hearing since the GH is a totally different (more importantly different but if I had to choose "better") experience than pax2 in every category except share ability which is not surprising (what is surprising is folks don't know this, they've always said this was meant to be a personal device, I think way early on in a video or blog they even said they had one-hitters in mind, perhaps the confusion is they also said they want this to be a "vape for everyone" when talking about price point. Again it's a personal device, they don't anticipate one at a party, they anticipate. everyone at the party having their own, perhaps it was unclear to others but it has always been pretty clear to me).

I would recommend the GH they're different enough that having both makes sense to me, I do and I'm glad, I've used both today!

Do we know how the air flows through a GH? What material makes up the vapor path, stainless steel, Ti? Any questionable material? Any electrical components or circuit boards?

A month or so back there was a photo of some component in the path that people were speculating about. But AFAIK it was never identified. And the design may have changed since then.

Does anyone have any concerns about the GH vapor path or does it seem to be safe?

Nesta said:

Do we know how the air flows through a GH? What material makes up the vapor path, stainless steel, Ti? Any questionable material? Any electrical components or circuit boards?

A month or so back there was a photo of some component in the path that people were speculating about. But AFAIK it was never identified. And the design may have changed since then.

Does anyone have any concerns about the GH vapor path or does it seem to be safe?

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There's some cross-section photos posted, probably 20 pages back or so, when there was talk about improvements in the insulating material. It didn't appear anything but stainless otherwise. The electronics are behind the air flow holes and not in the vapor path. There is some way the screen is attached, that some are calling solder. But I'm not sure if that's just a buzz word people are using for however it's attached or not.

Edit: Note I'm on a binge lately for being wrong...

syrupy said:

There's some cross-section photos posted, probably 20 pages back or so, when there was talk about improvements in the insulating material. It didn't appear anything but stainless otherwise. The electronics are behind the air flow holes and not in the vapor path. There is some way the screen is attached, that some are calling solder. But I'm not sure if that's just a buzz word people are using for however it's attached or not.

Edit: Note I'm on a binge lately for being wrong...

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The only correction I would make is the screen is clipped not soldered into place, I know because I saw Trevor remove it with a tool. I get why someone might think it's soldered because I thought it was too until I saw that I was just wrong about that. I am happy to admit later that it turns out it's totally soldered and that the removal tool also has alchemy in it because I wouldn't put it past those guys but probably it's just not soldered ;-)

Pictures were posted many weeks ago of the screen with blobs of solder holding it in place. Did they change the design?

zymos said:

Pictures were posted many weeks ago of the screen with blobs of solder holding it in place. Did they change the design?

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The design is the same. I thought one of the more seasoned FCers noted that there is some other process of attachment, that solder was an incorrect term. Solder wouldn't be something that sounds attractive.

Blob of melted metal? Much better, yes?

zymos said:

Blob of melted metal? Much better, yes?

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Yes, now I feel more comfortable about the vapor path.

CarolKing said:

I have an issue at times with too harsh or too hot vapor, so I'm still on the fence regarding this portable.

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The vapor isn't harsh or hot for me, just the mouthpiece. Vapor is smooth, even at temp 5. No coughing.

HillaryClinton said:

The middle stays cool-slighty warm, front gets damn hot, back gets hot.

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Also, I forgot to mention (in the initial reaction post I did in the GH shipping thread) that I did notice slight layer of sticky gunk on the back battery lead on the endcap so I cleaned it with ISO before I did anything (I also cleaned out the bowl and chamber). You could check to see if there is gunk causing a bad connection. I even cleaned the positive lead down in the unit (probably shouldn't have). That lead is built right into the circuit board and you can see all the little components, pretty cool. But none of that is in the airpath. There is also an even smaller blue screen underneath the SS screen in the chamber, then of course the screen in the mouthpiece.

The unit is very easy to clean. Just run a damp q-tip in the chamber and mouth piece after each use and it will stay nice and clean, especially if you use pinches instead of filling the chamber.

syrupy said:

Yes, now I feel more comfortable about the vapor path.

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Not a blob of melted metal, no solders just 3 clips. With the tool it pops right out and right back in, saw it myself.

Did I mention the glue gun?

Just kidding, definitely clips

Pics were posted, too late in my day to go chase them down, but many people know what I'm talking about.
Maybe those were just prototypes?

zymos said:

Pics were posted, too late in my day to go chase them down, but many people know what I'm talking about.
Maybe those were just prototypes?

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It was @Just Justin and he said they then added the screen above it, the one slbcdo is talking about, that's like the mouthpiece one. I don't remember details

The SS Grasshopper worked pretty well for the one session I had with it so far. Really want to have at it again however am feeling good right now. First time the GH came out of its box this evening it was flashing red. Hopper Labs folks must have forgotten to turn it off after they tested it prior to shipping. Anyways, clicked it off, put it on charge, snapped a few picks then gave it a go. The battery must not have been fully discharged because it took less than 30 minutes to start flashing blue charged state.

Tried to line up a few vapes by their mouthpieces for a size comparison below:


Only did a quick wipe-down of mouthpiece and herb chamber with a barely damp paper towel:


Then loosely filled the bowl with about .07g medium ground:


Had a total of six medium-sized hits, there was very little restriction while drawing. Each pull was between 10 to 15 seconds with the unit on, then another 5 to 10 seconds of continued inhaling with unit off to cool down the herb. For each hit, I clicked the unit on, within a few seconds the blue light would turn on and I would start pulling. I waited about 30 to 60 seconds between each exhale and next draw. The temp setting was set at 3rd notch (middle setting).

The first hit exhale had little visible vapor and was quite tasty. Really was impressed with how well the flavor profile of the herb came thru. I wasn't able to detect any foul taste which surprised me in a very good way given that I had not done a burn-off at all, only a simple wipe-down. The 2nd hit was tasty too with more visible vapor. Full vapor exhale on third hit and the unit felt warm. I was thinking this is not that warm and it wasn't...yet. I still had good vapor production by the 4th draw and now the unit was warm enough that I noticed it on my lips. It became uncomfortable for me during the tail end of the 5th pull. There was very little vapor by the 6th hit and the mouthpiece was uncomfortably hot during that draw for me. (Didn't use the silicone mp lip guard as I was feeling done after the 6th.)

Here is a fresh bowl load compared to abv after the 6 hits:


So far so good, looking forward to more testing...


EDIT: 2nd bowl worked good too. Hope it keeps working like this.

Just pulled the trigger on a blue Ti unit......was thinking of getting two with the "rumours" of a price increase once the pre-order is done......but will wait until my order is ready to ship before deciding on a second unit.

How much of an increase? normally I ain't the pre-ordering type...but given the fact I'm pretty sure I'll buy it anyway... IS it time to commit? I hate waiting for three day delivery...hell, I even hate waiting for next day delivery! Three months will be excruciating. If it's only going to increase 10 or 20, dollars, I'd wait.

slcbdco said:

You can definitely keep using it, I used mind for a week with that defect no problem but also email them so they can address it, definitely sounds like the collar issue to me

@JoeMama I definitely recommend the GH even with a pax/pax2. I just recently got rid of my pax but keep my pax2 for the reasons I describe.

This is a pure convection vape, the chamber sits above the heater and air pass through the heater and into the chamber so unlike the pax the bud doesn't cook while you're not drawing. This is why I think the flavor is superior as well as the efficiency. I'm with @nonbeliever in that when I use this device I get more medicated with less hits and bud that most methods of consumption.

Since it is convection you can also use very small amounts unlike the pax that needs a full pack for optimal performance of heat transfer.

As for cleaning, I'm sure there are a variety of reasons why it's easier to clean but I think the most is probably that since it's not being baked it's not as sticky with the inside surface.

Most bowls I can just tap and the ABV falls out. Occasionally I'll use the pen clip but still never any residue apart from using a dry q-tip for small particles.

I deep clean with some ISO maybe once a week and it's worth doing as you get some reclaim in the tip after awhile. Drop the tip in ISO, rub a q-tip with ISO in the bowl and if necessary I use a paper clip to pick out the reclaim in the tip once the ISO loosens it up, super easy.

I like my pax2 a lot but I totally get why someone. might now believe what they're hearing since the GH is a totally different (more importantly different but if I had to choose "better") experience than pax2 in every category except share ability which is not surprising (what is surprising is folks don't know this, they've always said this was meant to be a personal device, I think way early on in a video or blog they even said they had one-hitters in mind, perhaps the confusion is they also said they want this to be a "vape for everyone" when talking about price point. Again it's a personal device, they don't anticipate one at a party, they anticipate. everyone at the party having their own, perhaps it was unclear to others but it has always been pretty clear to me).

I would recommend the GH they're different enough that having both makes sense to me, I do and I'm glad, I've used both today!

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Once again, thank you very much! I pre-ordered my GH. I've tried the Volcano some time ago, and WOW on the medication aspect vs conduction heating. I'm excited that it's convection; I know that's way better. I'm sure I'll be back with comments and questions when I get it sometime in September!

One thing about these issues makes no sense to me.

It has been reported that there are known batch quantities with bad end cap's for instance, yet they still get sent out. If the batch is known, the sku # should easily be able to identify which boxes should have been pulled from the pallet. Unless they are getting parts delivered, and not using fifo (first in first out) policies. (just throwing things haphazardly into communal parts piles I am guessing.)

Same should have been theoretically possible with the poor temp. sensor soldering.

Just saying. No warehouse/packaging facility/start-up I have ever been a part of has no idea what batch is in what boxes on what pallets in what part of the facility, and then just sends the product out and waits for the user to "discover," everything for them.

I can tell you that for the business I am in, ONE batch just "sent" out to our wholesale distributer would result in the cancellation of that contract and I would be entirely up shit-creek.

But I also get start-ups, and all the bottlenecks involved, both anticipated and not, which then must have solutions thought up. Then the labor/capital involved in making those solutions meet reality can become daunting to soul-crushing...

So shit, I get it, but I think these guys have a lot to learn about high volume assembly, packaging and warehouse organization. Hope they figure it out or hire someone who knows wtf they're doing... or they won't make it.

seaofgreens said:

One thing about these issues makes no sense to me.

It has been reported that there are known batch quantities with bad end cap's for instance, yet they still get sent out. If the batch is known, the sku # should easily be able to identify which boxes should have been pulled from the pallet. Unless they are getting parts delivered, and not using fifo (first in first out) policies. (just throwing things haphazardly into communal parts piles I am guessing.)

Same should have been theoretically possible with the poor temp. sensor soldering.

Just saying. No warehouse/packaging facility/start-up I have ever been a part of has no idea what batch is in what boxes on what pallets in what part of the facility, and then just sends the product out and waits for the user to "discover," everything for them.

I can tell you that for the business I am in, ONE batch just "sent" out to our wholesale distributer would result in the cancellation of that contract and I would be entirely up shit-creek.

But I also get start-ups, and all the bottlenecks involved, both anticipated and not, which then must have solutions thought up. Then the labor/capital involved in making those solutions meet reality can become daunting to soul-crushing...

So shit, I get it, but I think these guys have a lot to learn about high volume assembly, packaging and warehouse organization. Hope they figure it out or hire someone who knows wtf they're doing... or they won't make it.

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it is possible that the GH are in a part of the process where they were already put in their little gh box (and being held and not shipped right out for whatever reason lol) already passed QC(if they really have it) and that b4 they realized the serial number range... or there was another batch that was bad that they didn't know about... either way they got a lot of work to do b4 they have everything all together clearly....



and to those getting hoppers that are dead/low battery... GH auto shut-offs so even if they turned it on and not off b4 shipping it wouldn't be dead unless they didn't fully charge the battery or ran it though a full battery of testing

vapebuddy13 said:

and to those getting hoppers that are dead/low battery... GH auto shut-offs so even if they turned it on and not off b4 shipping it wouldn't be dead unless they didn't fully charge the battery or ran it though a full battery of testing

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I've never received a new vaporizer with a fully charged battery out of the box. always thought that was normal and made good sense since it's recommended to never ever store Li-ion batteries with a full charge.

Wonder if the auto shut-off is only active when the unit is NOT being used? Buzz and room mate when testing forgot about turning it off and on again (IIRC) - as they planned to - but they passed it back and forth without power switching for more than the auto shut off time... So there's a sensor?

Whatever this update ends up being, I am just going to double any estimates at this point.

vapen00b said:

Wonder if the auto shut-off is only active when the unit is NOT being used? Buzz and room mate when testing forgot about turning it off and on again (IIRC) - as they planned to - but they passed it back and forth without power switching for more than the auto shut off time... So there's a sensor?

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Yes always been the case, 18sec autoshutoff when idle, no drawing