the Michael Brown thread

2clicker said:

this was last night in stl during a protest. lazy pig pepper spraying someone photographing them. seems fair eh?

someone must have taken the last donut

EDIT* and i know the person that took this photo and was pepper sprayed. there is no "full story" here. this IS the full story. he took a pic/s and got sprayed. its that simple. and as far as i know snapping pics of public service employees is not a crime.

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If the pepper spray hit them, they should also contact a local attorney and the ACLU. I can make an argument for civil assault damages being owed by the cop to the victim. Unfortunately, since a string of SCOTUS decisions, it's really hard to prove a pattern of behavior like this that implicates police command or the local government, but the cop himself is definitely liable for $$$ IMO.

z9 said:

That was my point and however bad, the rest was meant to be a joke. I'm aware they systematically target specific races, one would have to be in complete denial about the subject to believe otherwise. The media coverage just annoys me (what I was trying to say) because percentages aside, they do kill my white people (which of course makes sense) but they don't receive the coverage that questionable killings by officers involving other races do - as of late, this is understandable though.

Maybe its just where I'm from, but this is looked at as a black vs police things whereas it should be everyone vs police because we all have the opportunity to be mistreated. And I was just trying to vent my frustrations.

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my bad partner. yes the media is about as evil as it gets.

fun isnt it?

z9 said:

it can't be, if you watched or read any news you would know that cops only kill minorities... or is that the only kind of killings they report

Maybe I'm on to something here

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You are presenting data without context, which in data analysis circles is considered a form of dishonesty. I assume you do not have a background in statistics, and that this is just incomplete, not disingenuous.

To provide the context you do not - African Americans are 16% of the US population as of the most recent data, and using your data are 28% of the people killed by cops this year. If it was proportionate, there would have been about 80 black people shot by cops. But instead there were 139.

That is 12% more than their population proportion (there are numerous, highly visible ethnic minorities, including my own, that are not even 3% of the US population-12% in demographics is a huge number). That is obviously disproportionate, statistically significant at over 95% probability in a sample of the size in question, compared to a null hypothesis of no racial impact. You have provided the data to make everyone else's point for us. Thanks.

arf777 said:

You are presenting data without context, which in data analysis circles is considered a form of dishonesty. I assume you do not have a background in statistics, and that this is just incomplete, not disingenuous.

To provide the context you do not - African Americans are 16% of the US population as of the most recent data, and using your data are 28% of the people killed by cops this year. If it was proportionate, there would have been about 80 black people shot by cops. But instead there were 139.

That is 12% more than their population proportion (there are numerous, highly visible ethnic minorities, including my own, that are not even 3% of the US population-12% in demographics is a huge number). That is obviously disproportionate, statistically significant at over 95% probability in a sample of the size in question, compared to a null hypothesis of no racial impact. You have provided the data to make everyone else's point for us. Thanks.

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2clicker said:

my bad partner. yes the media is about as evil as it gets.

fun isnt it?

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@arf777 in some ways I might have deserved a condescending reply for that but its unappreciated nonetheless. Please read my next post. What I said was meant to highlight the fact that they can (and some do) use their power to mistreat anyone they feel as @2clicker said. even though they systematically target certain races we are all at risk.

z9 said:

@arf777 in some ways I might have deserved a condescending reply for that but its unappreciated nonetheless. Please read my next post. What I said was meant to highlight the fact that they can (and some do) use their power to mistreat anyone they feel as @2clicker said. Equal opportunity killers.

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And my entire point is they are NOT equal opportunity killers. Equal opportunity killing would mean comparable to population proportions, or black people being about 16% of police killings. That is not the case, as the data you provided demonstrates.

arf777 said:

And my entire point is they are NOT equal opportunity killers. Equal opportunity killing would mean comparable to population proportions, or black people being about 16% of police killings. That is not the case, as the data you provided demonstrates.

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this has me thinking. in the areas that have african americans in their communities... ill bet the numbers show more african americans killed than white people.

but there are tons of areas that have very little to no african americans (or any minorities) and ill bet that is where the rest of the white deaths by cops are coming from. i mean just because they dont have minorities does not mean they have to miss out on all the fun killing am i right? lol

and as ive stated a 100 times in this thread... im no expert and this is just me thinking out loud. it could be way off.

arf777 said:

And my entire point is they are NOT equal opportunity killers. Equal opportunity killing would mean comparable to population proportions, or black people being about 16% of police killings. That is not the case, as the data you provided demonstrates.

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I understand your point however the only thing the data I provided demonstrates is that we all have the chance to be killed when faced with the unstable cop (or whatever you would like to call them). Equal opportunity killer is the wrong way to put it but I didn't look at it in the context of death rate, I was looking at in the context of the scenario I provided above (I'm terrible at putting my thoughts into writing). It doesn't change the fact that in a number of police killings, while race was likely a contributing factor, it was NOT the sole reason they were killed - insert a person of a different race and they would suffer the same fate. The cockhard military wannabe officers that cause many of these instances are the ones that put us all at risk.

I'll make sure to double-check my p-values before I open my mouth again.

2clicker said:

i mean just because they dont have minorities does not mean they have to miss out on all the fun killing am i right? lol

and as ive stated a 100 times in this thread... im no expert and this is just me thinking out loud. it could be way off.

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It would be interesting to see the map filtered by race.
Thinking out loud was all I was doing... And WOW apologies for typo in one of my previous posts where I referred white people as "my white people"


Edit: Sorry @2clicker I'll bud out now, I don't want to get your thread shut down... bud

I'd like to see a cop shooting map filtered by the victim's socioeconomic status

z9 said:

I understand your point however the only thing the data I provided demonstrates is that we all have the chance to be killed when faced with the unstable cop (or whatever you would like to call them). Equal opportunity killer is the wrong way to put it but I didn't look at it in the context of death rate, I was looking at in the context of the scenario I provided above (I'm terrible at putting my thoughts into writing). It doesn't change the fact that in a number of police killings, while race was likely a contributing factor, it was NOT the sole reason they were killed - insert a person of a different race and they would suffer the same fate. The cockhard military wannabe officers that cause many of these instances are the ones that put us all at risk.

I'll make sure to double-check my p-values before I open my mouth again.



It would be interesting to see the map filtered by race.
Thinking out loud was all I was doing... And WOW apologies for typo in one of my previous posts where I referred white people as "my white people"


Edit: Sorry @2clicker I'll bud out now, I don't want to get your thread shut down... bud

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no need to bud out. as long as everyone is following forum rules then zero fucks are given about who participates in this thread. regardless of where you stand on these issues.

the more the merrier if you ask me.

VIDEO: COP MURDERS 17-YEAR-OLD KID FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH TRAFFIC STOP
Boy had flashed lights at cop for having overly bright headlights

A Sheriff’s sergeant in Eaton County Michigan will face no charges after shooting and killing a seventeen year old for not complying with a traffic stop, despite the fact that he had committed no crime whatsoever.

The shocking incident happened back in February and was captured on police body camera and partially on cell phone by Deven Guilford, who was ripped out of his vehicle, tased and then shot seven times by Sgt. Jonathan Frost.


The stop occurred after Deven flashed his lights at Frost, believing that the sergeant had his high beams on, and it would be a danger to other drivers.

During the confrontation that ensued, Frost admitted that two other drivers had also flashed their lights at him and that his headlights were brand new, and were probably too bright.

Despite this, Frost turned the tables on Deven and demanded that he provide his license, registration and insurance details.

When Deven asked to see the officer’s badge, Frost refused. Deven refused to give Frost the documents, maintaining that he had broken no law. When Deven asked if he was being detained, Frost replied in the affirmative, stating that Deven was being held for not complying with the traffic stop.

After several minutes of refusing to provide the documents, Deven was pulled out of the vehicle by Frost and ordered to get on the ground.

Deven attempted to continue filming the ordeal, which further angered Frost who whipped out a taser and shocked the young man in an attempt to force compliance.

The camera footage cuts out at this point, but audio can still be heard. The video ends with Frost firing seven shots, with a fatal shot to the head. Deven’s anguished scream as he is killed by Frost is deeply disturbing to hear.

Frost later claimed that Deven, an unarmed and clearly non-aggressive seventeen year old kid who had just been tased, attacked the officer, managing to get on top of Frost and punch him in the face, causing him to fear for his life.

The Sergeant did suffer cuts and bruises to his face, X-rays showed no fractures.

This week, Eaton County Prosecutor Doug Lloyd said he reviewed the investigation by Michigan State Police, as well as the video footage, and concluded that the sergeant acted lawfully.

“No one wins in these particular situations, but it’s the prosecutor’s responsibility to look at the facts, make a determination from the facts — was there a crime or was there not a crime?” Lloyd said.

Following the decision, the Guilford family, who plan to file a civil lawsuit in federal court, released the following statement:

“There was no reason or necessity for the officer to physically remove our son from the car without considering other options to avoid an unnecessary violent escalation. It must be also noted that Deven was not in possession (of) any weapon and emphatically told the officer that he was not armed. We also have serious concerns about whether the officer used unreasonable force against Deven under the circumstances.”

“The family is very unhappy,” said Attorney Hugh Davis. “It’s just very hard to go from dimming lights or not dimming lights to being dead.”

The fact that Frost did not wait for backup and opted to escalate the situation by forcing Deven out of the car, has further prompted the family to fight the case.

For the record, it was determined that Deven’s license was with his girlfriend, and toxicology results showed that he had the active ingredient in marijuana in his system at the time of the stop.

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Steve Watson is a London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.com, and Prisonplanet.com. He has a Masters Degree in International Relations from the School of Politics at The University of Nottingham, and a Bachelor Of Arts Degree in Literature and Creative Writing from Nottingham Trent University.



http://www.infowars.com/video-cop-murders-17-year-old-kid-for-not-complying-with-traffic-stop/

z9 said:

VIDEO: COP MURDERS 17-YEAR-OLD KID FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH TRAFFIC STOP
Boy had flashed lights at cop for having overly bright headlights

A Sheriff’s sergeant in Eaton County Michigan will face no charges after shooting and killing a seventeen year old for not complying with a traffic stop, despite the fact that he had committed no crime whatsoever.

The shocking incident happened back in February and was captured on police body camera and partially on cell phone by Deven Guilford, who was ripped out of his vehicle, tased and then shot seven times by Sgt. Jonathan Frost.


The stop occurred after Deven flashed his lights at Frost, believing that the sergeant had his high beams on, and it would be a danger to other drivers.

During the confrontation that ensued, Frost admitted that two other drivers had also flashed their lights at him and that his headlights were brand new, and were probably too bright.

Despite this, Frost turned the tables on Deven and demanded that he provide his license, registration and insurance details.

When Deven asked to see the officer’s badge, Frost refused. Deven refused to give Frost the documents, maintaining that he had broken no law. When Deven asked if he was being detained, Frost replied in the affirmative, stating that Deven was being held for not complying with the traffic stop.

After several minutes of refusing to provide the documents, Deven was pulled out of the vehicle by Frost and ordered to get on the ground.

Deven attempted to continue filming the ordeal, which further angered Frost who whipped out a taser and shocked the young man in an attempt to force compliance.

The camera footage cuts out at this point, but audio can still be heard. The video ends with Frost firing seven shots, with a fatal shot to the head. Deven’s anguished scream as he is killed by Frost is deeply disturbing to hear.

Frost later claimed that Deven, an unarmed and clearly non-aggressive seventeen year old kid who had just been tased, attacked the officer, managing to get on top of Frost and punch him in the face, causing him to fear for his life.

The Sergeant did suffer cuts and bruises to his face, X-rays showed no fractures.

This week, Eaton County Prosecutor Doug Lloyd said he reviewed the investigation by Michigan State Police, as well as the video footage, and concluded that the sergeant acted lawfully.

“No one wins in these particular situations, but it’s the prosecutor’s responsibility to look at the facts, make a determination from the facts — was there a crime or was there not a crime?” Lloyd said.

Following the decision, the Guilford family, who plan to file a civil lawsuit in federal court, released the following statement:

“There was no reason or necessity for the officer to physically remove our son from the car without considering other options to avoid an unnecessary violent escalation. It must be also noted that Deven was not in possession (of) any weapon and emphatically told the officer that he was not armed. We also have serious concerns about whether the officer used unreasonable force against Deven under the circumstances.”

“The family is very unhappy,” said Attorney Hugh Davis. “It’s just very hard to go from dimming lights or not dimming lights to being dead.”

The fact that Frost did not wait for backup and opted to escalate the situation by forcing Deven out of the car, has further prompted the family to fight the case.

For the record, it was determined that Deven’s license was with his girlfriend, and toxicology results showed that he had the active ingredient in marijuana in his system at the time of the stop.

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Steve Watson is a London based writer and editor for Alex Jones’ Infowars.com, and Prisonplanet.com. He has a Masters Degree in International Relations from the School of Politics at The University of Nottingham, and a Bachelor Of Arts Degree in Literature and Creative Writing from Nottingham Trent University.



http://www.infowars.com/video-cop-murders-17-year-old-kid-for-not-complying-with-traffic-stop/

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yeah... there are absolutely zero problems with our police force and their aggressive bullshit.

change is needed. this job isnt a chance for you to "bust some heads" you fucking swine!

I listened to this today and was instantly hooked. Ex marine and ex baltimore police officer speaks out about the whole situation; and is extremely honest

Bob Herbst: NYPD Assaults 11-Year-Old in the Bronx -- On Video
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-h...year-old-in-the-bronx-on-video_b_7841970.html

University of Cinncinatti cop indicted for shooting Samuel Dubose in the head. The body cam proved he lied about what happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/u...r-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-motorist.html

Excerpt below...

(Do not click on the link to the video if you are squeamish. Seriously. It is a head shot.)

The Hamilton County prosecuting attorney, Joseph T. Deters, released a much anticipated video of the shooting of Samuel Dubose taken by the officer’s body camera that he described as crucial evidence that Mr. Dubose did not act aggressively or pose a threat to Officer Ray Tensing, and that Officer Tensing had lied about being dragged by Mr. Dubose’s car. A grand jury, Mr. Deters announced, indicted the officer on a murder charge, punishable by life in prison, and a voluntary manslaughter charge.

“It was a senseless, asinine shooting,” Mr. Deters said at a news conference, using stark terms to denounce the July 19 killing, the officer’s claims and the officer himself. “This doesn’t happen in the United States, OK?” he said. “This might happen in Afghanistan. People don’t get shot for a traffic stop.”

“This office has probably reviewed 100 police shootings, and this is the first time we’ve thought, ‘This is without question a murder,’ ” he said.

[...]

Asked if he thought Officer Tensing, 25, had tried to mislead investigators, Mr. Deters said, “Yeah, yes, I think he was making an excuse for the purposeful killing of another person.”

Mr. Deters added, “I think he lost his temper because Mr. Dubose wouldn’t get out of his car.”

California Cop Suspended After Pulling Gun On Man Recording Him
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/08/07/california-cop-suspended-gun-recording_n_7958084.html

Young, Unarmed Black Man Killed By Cop Didn't Want To 'Die Too Young'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...ps-didnt-want-to-die-too-young_n_7959856.html

It's heating up in Ferguson right now. There was just two shootings, one officer involved, two stores looted, glass bottles thrown, reporter robbed, etc.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/ferguson?lang=en

Check out this video of lots of gunfire a few hundred yards from police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/search4swag/status/630594177118539776/video/1

Two unmarked cars fired upon



This stores was looted twice last year. Note the armed store owners.



Here is graphic video from the officer involved shooting. They then arrest camera guy. The cops had the victims description and were talking about him having a gun in his pants about two hours ago on the police scanner. Looks like they found him. Supposedly the dude laying down in the below video is dead now.
Note graphic content

https://mobile.twitter.com/search4swag/status/630595262575083520/video/1

https://mobile.twitter.com/search4swag/status/630595778977796096/video/1


Whiny live stream

http://www.ustream.tv/z

Missouri state police radio feed
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/17925/web

Not sure how accurate this is, but if it is, it's disturbing.

Bernie Sanders Answers Black Lives Matter Protesters With Comprehensive Platform To Fight Racial Inequality



When firebrand Bernie Sanders launched his bid for president, many liberals rose in a raucous applause. After all, the independent U.S. Senator from Vermont has been the embodiment of taking on big money interests in Washington, assailed criminal activity on Wall Street, and pushed for income and marriage equality even in the moments when he stood alone. The bushy-haired Sanders took no prisoners when it came to undressing his colleagues on economic issues, including Social Security.

He has been in the fight for human rights his entire adult life, marching with Dr. King and organizing local protests.

In the time since, arenas have filled to capacity to hear his message. Throngs of people flooded into public halls to delight in his passions. “Feel the Bern!” has been the constant refrain as he began closing the gap against frontrunner Hillary Clinton, in his quest for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Sanders faces a new challenge now: Winning black voters.

It will not come easy...

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-...ehensive-platform-to-fight-racial-inequality/

I saw these 2 women take over the podium when initially Bernie was going to talk to thousands of people. He could not talk because he was being thoughtful and respectful to them. How about all the other folks that couldn't hear him speak because of these women. Later that evening he was able to speak at a different venue. I would have been pissed if I had battled the Seattle traffic and couldn't of heard my candidate speak.

Black lives do matter but I disagreed how these women interfered with the rights of others that wanted to hear Bernie speak.

I'm leaning towards Bernie for Prez.

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Thank goodness we are not just taking police at their word in some areas. There is a long way to go. All cops need to have body cameras. I don't want to hear that police depts can't afford them. They can't afford not to have them.

Joel W. said:

Not sure how accurate this is, but if it is, it's disturbing.

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Search around, last I read this was based on some very loose statistics.

@grokit @CarolKing These women and other "blacklivesmatter" activists make me want to completely abandon them and their movement. It seems they have forgotten that while it definitely seems like the system is racist (just look at some of the policies-stop and frisk and crack sentences to name a few) and there are likely more black people killed by cops proportionally. But its almost like they have completely lost touch of reality, yes its an issue for the black community likely more than other communities, but they arent the only victims. Yet these activists are acting like they are the only ones, and even more important their methods seem.....fucking stupid (dont know how else to put it).

An another example:

olivianewtonjohn said:

Search around, last I read this was based on some very loose statistics.

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I hate the internet sometimes, especially when it comes to data and facts trying to figure out what is real.

All I can really do is post some links and I don't even know if I believe them as I am too tired to search all the sub links and references. Morbid and sad. I need to go vape.

http://killedbypolice.net/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...forcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2015

Joel W. said:

I hate the internet sometimes, especially when it comes to data and facts trying to figure out what is real.

All I can really do is post some links and I don't even know if I believe them as I am too tired to search all the sub links and references. Morbid and sad. I need to go vape.

http://killedbypolice.net/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...forcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_2015

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It was a few months ago, I was able to find it though (guess my memory isnt as bad as I thought):

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...l-blog-us-cops-killed-more-people-one-month-/

EDIT: And hope no one gets the wrong idea. Im not saying police violence isnt an issue in the US (stated quite the contrary before). Just pointing out that those statistics dont seem very accurate.

There is one straight up reason that easily accessed data about police killings (or any gun-damn national database of death by gun information in general) is hard to find.
Certain people do not want you to know.
I call them NRAterrorists (n'rah terr'rists).

Here are two of the first five links on Google search for "national police killings database". My emphasis!

#5 Wikipedia (cited in next link- "I hesitate to say it, but the most comprehensive list of people killed by police that I found was on Wikipedia)
"Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out, and the FBI does not collect these data either.
The annual average number of justifiable homicides alone was previously estimated to be near 400. Updated estimates from the Bureau of Justice Statistics released in 2015 estimate the number to be around 930 per year, or 1240 if assuming that nonreporting local agencies kill people at the same rate as reporting agencies"

#1 fatal encounters dot org
"This project to create a comprehensive national database of people who are killed through interactions with police started with a simple question: How often does that happen?...

"There are all kinds of articles that point out the lack of data, for example, here’s one from the New York Times in 2001. I kept returning to the Las Vegas Review-Journal’s series Deadly Force (Nov. 28, 2011) “The nation’s leading law enforcement agency [FBI] collects vast amounts of information on crime nationwide, but missing from this clearinghouse are statistics on where, how often, and under what circumstances police use deadly force. In fact, no one anywhere comprehensively tracks the most significant act police can do in the line of duty: take a life.”...

"http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/The first thing reporters say to me when I say there is no national database of people killed by law enforcement is, “Bullshit.” Almost to a person, they believe I missed something somewhere, and the database exists. Almost no one questions whether it should exist; after all, agencies with nothing to hide would have nothing to fear from transparency..."

"On June 2, 2015, U.S. Sens. Cory Booker (D-NJ) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) introduced the Police Reporting Information, Data, and Evidence Act of 2015. Co-sponsors were Sens. Al Franken (D-MN), Ed Markey (D-MA), and Barbara Milkulski (D-MD).
Short and straightforward, the PRIDE Act would fund state efforts to collect data on all police shootings and other incidents resulting in deaths or serious injuries. The data would include casualties caused by law enforcement officers along with the deaths and injuries suffered by officers. The data would be reported to the U.S. Attorney General and then be made publicly available."

The other three links were all to The Washington Post; their reporting is referenced in the Wikipedia article.

The Guardian
The Wall Street Journal

Added edit: Want to know who doesn't want you to know? Watch the opposition to the PRIDE act.
Added link to The Atlantic Magazine

Video Appears To Show Man With Hands Up Gunned Down By Texas Cops
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/09/01/hands-up-killed-texas-cops_n_8071832.html