Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)
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Awesome feedback and nice for factor examples. To set the stage for this development... The idea with this design is extreme minimalist only designing in the bare necessities in it's simplest for aka MFLB. The idea is to make an functioning vaporizer that is at a cost point that can be afforded by the average guy. There will be Future single battery developments that may include, volt meters, USB chargers, voltage / temperature control etc.
Agreed a real button on the side is a nicer solution but manual on the top is the simplest solution in that the battery access is also the button which also swings into a safe position securing the joint when not in use
Agreed a real button on the side is a nicer solution but manual on the top is the simplest solution in that the battery access is also the button which also swings into a safe position securing the joint when not in use
Likes2vape
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For me I'd like a button on the side simply for the fact that all my vaporizers spend the majority of the the time inverted on top of water pipes. Or maybe on the bottom like a mechanical e cig
ragnorokk
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It would appear you need a hydratube/nectar collector to put on top of this, then, since the current battery access door/button sounds like it's one of the less likely features to see an immediate redesign.
Knowing that it's designed to be more accessible (at least in cost), will there be a significant loss in performance from the full sized Zion? I was hoping that if most people use the Zion at 50-75%, then with a little extra heat-up time before drawing air through, we might be able to achieve that same temp/efficiency (well, the 50% power level; 75% of dual 18650 seems like the lag time to reach that temp might be considerable).
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Should be able to invert on any water piece even with button on top since its so small, easy to press and turn vape while you hit, like Zion is (I'd contemplated top button on Zion as well, but it'd have to be shorter to be reached)
Likes2vape
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Looks like it would connect to a wp quite nicely using a Song. Just a suggestion mainly to make it easier for me!!!
Mmmmm good point about accessing the button during water use. I built a second Alpha unit to integrate @pakalolo feedback as well as some ideas of my own. One of the ideas is a J stem that would allow the mouthpiece to do a 180 and add stealth and cooling path. This option also puts you on the wrong side of the button and LED to the team will need to consider and work out these details. You could do a light pipe? I'm sure @thekarmawhore will get to the right solution in the end... Right after he puts the finishing touches and the Zion so we can get her into production.
Working with the team on a double switchback trumpet style to get it back to the top. One thing is for sure stainless gets hot fast! ...can you over cool vaper @pakalolo ? Could do an aluminum heat sink that bolts to the wood body ? Got that idea from @HD Springer ... Might have to play around with that one this weekend. Tomorrow night the current prototype will be seeing Primus and Dinosaur JR and I'm gonna pretend it's 1991 again
Likes2vape
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I don't think you can over cool vapor unless it's through ice or really cold water. There's ton of bag vapes and that vapor ends up being room temperature basically. I have hit a volcano bag an hour after filling it and it was fine.
Fukin awesome! 
Sure you can, it will condense on the nearest surface. I think what you meant to ask is whether this idea would cool it too much and the answer, as @Likes2vape said, is no. People use ice to cool vapour all the time without worrying about the condensation issue, so running it through a short SS path won't be noticeable.
Beta is born...
...and yes my neighbors most certainly think I am crazy
...and yes my neighbors most certainly think I am crazy
Ah, but did you catch the fore shadowing of the 40 watt variable wattage / variable voltage anodized red power supply in the Beta Team private Message vid? What would happen if I hooked that up to a compact Zion "addy" heater??? Hmmmm
Likes2vape
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That looks freaking sweat man!!!!
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Yeah, I saw it. But I didn't know what it was...
stickstones
Vapor concierge
my man @RastaBuddhaTao is clearly hammered today...I need that sound byte!
Nice catch on the Zion button...looks cool.
Nice catch on the Zion button...looks cool.
HD Springer
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RBT is just like that energizer bunny. We've wound this crazy sob up(said with total love) and he keeps inventing and more importantly improving on his inventions.
Damn RBT this one might totally kill it's competitors. The button is a must with the power it's producing. IMO. Not only that but this bad ass thing deserves a button. This might be my favorite of all your awesome toys. But don't tell the micro that. I'm putting that thing through some major testing. It's handling it with flying colors.
Damn RBT this one might totally kill it's competitors. The button is a must with the power it's producing. IMO. Not only that but this bad ass thing deserves a button. This might be my favorite of all your awesome toys. But don't tell the micro that. I'm putting that thing through some major testing. It's handling it with flying colors.
ragnorokk
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@RastaBuddhaTao Everything about this is genius. My notes would be:
1) the hole drilled for the LED is better for light emission than the GonG fitting, as the hole can be covered. The light up GonG fitting might be better for an "upgrade" package, than for just the base unit.
2) as noted in another thread, the GonG lock may be unnecessary. Granted, I honestly think that combining the swing door for the battery and the GonG latch was a great idea, and I don't have a problem with it -- it's also not a "necessity."
1) the hole drilled for the LED is better for light emission than the GonG fitting, as the hole can be covered. The light up GonG fitting might be better for an "upgrade" package, than for just the base unit.
2) as noted in another thread, the GonG lock may be unnecessary. Granted, I honestly think that combining the swing door for the battery and the GonG latch was a great idea, and I don't have a problem with it -- it's also not a "necessity."
Thanks... Yeh the team was talking through LED options and their impact on stealth. The battery position will determine if the LED is on or off. The battery door does need some work and we will have to decide if we can build a robust access hatch and keep the stem lock or not. I agree that door hatch quality cannot be sacrificed for the clip and my guess is we will most likely do away with the stem lock. With the taper pushed in snugly they stay put pretty well so why add an step to the process in insertion and removal? We have approved the concept and will turn it over to the beta design team to work out the specifics. It is shaping up to be pretty stealth and has a nice feature set and vapor production given it's small size and simplicity. The beta team is excited to get there hands on some test units which is always a good sign.
@HD Springer, @pakalolo and @IAmKrazy2 thanks for your review of the mini leading to the addition of the fire button. The start from nothing and only add the required valuable features will ensure this vaporizer delivers a quality vaporizing experience that doesn't break the bank. It's simple ideas like reversing the battery to turn the LED on and off instead of adding a switch and placing the LED so that it eliminates the glass to cut cost and improve the feature set. win / win. The power of a highly experienced Beta Team at work.
Thanks for the input!
TheDudeNextDoor
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Some really interesting stuff going on in the FC10 single-battery Zion discussion. I know RBT is going post some pics and/or vid of how things have progressed and even multiplied into almost a hybrid Zion/Zion Jr. I'll let RBT roll out the deets, but needless to say, those interested in seeing what is shaping up to be a powerful stealth unit should be paying attention to this thread.
Full disclosure: I do not have any version of the Jr. yet, so am only going by vid and feedback from others who do have one form or another. However, based on how much I am loving TheZionNextDoor and from what I have seen and heard about the Jr. as it progresses...I think the stealth portable market is about to have a serious contender.
Full disclosure: I do not have any version of the Jr. yet, so am only going by vid and feedback from others who do have one form or another. However, based on how much I am loving TheZionNextDoor and from what I have seen and heard about the Jr. as it progresses...I think the stealth portable market is about to have a serious contender.
Gotta agree with you there Dude, there are some extremely interesting & exciting ideas, designs and fully formed beta devices coming out of that there RastaBuddahTao laboratory. And I'm thinking that this stealthy lookin' little number is definitely gonna scratch an itch for me 
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