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Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
I refuse to believe an edible alone caused him to commit suicide. Maybe he had some extreme underlying mental condition that he didn't really know about or something but the worst I've ever seen happen from someone getting too high is having an extreme panic attack where they think they can't breathe and their heart starts pounding. Can't imagine someone being so high to the point that jumping out of a building seems like it might make things better.

Edit: I wanna know where he got those edibles though if he really was that high. I might have to go pick a few up.
 

Gunky

Well-Known Member
I refuse to believe an edible alone caused him to commit suicide. (snip).

I seem to remember there were other substances involved in this case.

Edit: I just read more info from coroner's report. Apparently they didn't find other drugs. Kind of a weird story. I agree there had to be some underlying issues. It's possible that over-medicating with cannabis precipitated those underlying factors; the drug itself does not cause you to jump.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
This is from the Daily Current. I don't believe it. It's from a while ago but it's trash journalism. Just because something is written up and they say what a cause was I don't always believe what I read. I see they mention The Rocky Mountain News.

Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of Legalization
Jan 02, 2014

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Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.

According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on Jan. 1, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.

"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver. "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute.

"We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuriaand multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?"
 

Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
The daily currant is worse than the worst tabloid you've ever seen haha. The next page probably had an article about the alien attack last month.
 

bounce5

Well-Known Member
This is from the Daily Current. I don't believe it. It's from a while ago but it's trash journalism. Just because something is written up and they say what a cause was I don't always believe what I read. I see they mention The Rocky Mountain News.

Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of Legalization
Jan 02, 2014

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Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.

According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on Jan. 1, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.

"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver. "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute.

"We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuriaand multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?"


I remember seeing this. I thought it was meant to be funny - like an Onion style article, since obviously noone actually died and it's a silly number. Eitherway the main intent was probably getting people to click on the article.
 
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little maggie

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A friend gave me a slice of banana bread. She'd made the loaf with a lot of marijuana that she saw as lesser quality since her boyfriend is a grower. I've never really tried edibles but I have a fairly high tolerance when vaping. When it hit, I felt pretty strange. It reminded me of mushrooms when I was a kid. No more edibles for me. I'm very stable but if I wasn't-
I had a good friend in high school I would get stoned with. He blamed marijuana for his disintegration and dropped out of college and eventually killed himself. The thing is that he was psychotic but was able to keep it together until he started smoking. I think if it hadn't been marijuana it would have been something else that eventually pushed him over the edge.

And then there's this in the news about Sandra Bland: It is a mood amplifier, so it is relevant in our opinion to determine whether or not marijuana may have played a role in her death as well, exacerbating existing conditions
 
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little maggie,

FlyingLow

Team NO SLEEP!
Fuck all that media hype!

Total BULLSHIT to blame MJ!
There are underlying mental issues if experiencing hostile behaviors... that has nothing to do with eating to much edibles. Fucking idiots.
 

Jared

Cannabis Enthusiast
Woman that just supposedly hung herself in a jail cell after being falsely arrested by a clearly racist (and I don't normally use that word because I think it gets thrown around WAY too lightly these days) police officer is now having her death blamed on cannabis. Because we all know that using cannabis will make you hang yourself. Sorry about the HuffPo source but it's the first one I stumbled across that really gives a full run down.

"On Thursday, as mystery and controversy continued to surround the death of Sandra Bland, officials wanted to make one thing clear: The 28-year-old had marijuana in her system at the time of her death.

At a news conference discussing the preliminary findings of an autopsy following Bland's alleged suicide at the Waller County Jail in Texas last week, much of the attention was focused on a question that not many people, aside from authorities and a few members of the media, actually seemed to be asking.

"At this particular time, I have not seen any evidence that indicates this was a homicide," said Warren Diepraam, a Waller County assistant district attorney, referring to a conclusion made by investigators that Bland's injuries were consistent with a death by suicide.

But Diepraam was more confident about another detail of the autopsy.

"I can say she tested positive for marijuana," he added.

At different points in the day, officials offered pretty much every possible explanation for Bland's marijuana use. They said that Bland had smoked or swallowed an undetermined amount of weed, sometime either before or after her arrest, and perhaps while she was in jail. Maybe she smuggled it into the facility, one official reportedly suggested. We were left with more questions than answers. Maybe Bland was ingesting marijuana while she was being slammed to the ground during her arrest, too?

Of course, none of these possibilities should really matter. Marijuana use is incredibly common, says nothing about why Bland was mistreated during her traffic stop and subsequent arrest, and likely tells us very little, if anything, about why she ended up dead three days later. For officials to repeatedly highlight this issue seems like little more than a cheap character assassination tactic that we've seen employed time and time again in cases like this.

But despite all the uncertainty about the nature of Bland's marijuana use, officials were insistent that the presence of marijuana in her system was somehow significant. One prosecutor reportedly claimed that Bland must have been impaired, simply because she tested positive for THC.

That's nonsense.

The simple presence of marijuana in Bland's system -- even in higher levels -- says nothing conclusively about whether she was, in fact, intoxicated or in an altered state of mind at the time of her arrest or while she was jailed.

THC, the psychoactive ingredient found in the plant and associated with the "high" sensation, can stay in a user's body for up to 40 days, long after the high sensation has worn off, according to the National Drug Court Institute. For smokers of marijuana, that can last a couple of hours, and for those that ingest marijuana flower or infused food, that can last several additional hours.

We don't know if Bland had a history of marijuana use, but frequent users of cannabis can test positive for THC weeks after last consuming the drug. An infrequent or first-time user can still test positive for about four days after the initial consumption.

In one extreme case, NDCI notes, a single person who reported regular marijuana use for about 10 years tested positive almost 70 days after last using it.

And even if Bland were somehow acutely intoxicated at the time of her death, any link to suicidal behavior is at best debatable.

Still, this distraction does raise one significant concern by introducing the suggestion that Bland could have ingested the marijuana while incarcerated. This would point to potential negligence of the jail staff, which may have failed to properly screen Bland before processing. It certainly doesn't lend much confidence to their handling of her case, and that's an issue far more likely to have contributed to Bland's death than the THC in her blood stream."

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macbill

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Sandra Bland Becomes The Latest Victim Of The ‘Marijuana Smear’

The allegation that Bland used pot shortly before her death, moreover, fits a pattern in high-profile cases involving the questionable death of a black man or woman that has become so common that it is practically a cliché. During the uncertain period where investigators and reporters are trying to figure out just why someone died, news suddenly leaks that this individual was a marijuana user. Generally, the alleged marijuana use is raised to discredit someone is is no longer able to speak for themselves, and to imply that the marijuana use somehow contributed to their death.
 

Gunky

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The cannabis thing in the Bland case is a total red herring, part of the continuing drug war police state mentality. That she was threatened, dragged from her car, assaulted, thrown in jail for 3 days for doing absolutely nothing besides being insufficiently subservient to to some Texas cop - that is an outrage.
 
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cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
This is from the Daily Current. I don't believe it. It's from a while ago but it's trash journalism. Just because something is written up and they say what a cause was I don't always believe what I read. I see they mention The Rocky Mountain News.

Marijuana Overdoses Kill 37 in Colorado On First Day of Legalization
Jan 02, 2014

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Colorado is reconsidering its decision to legalize recreational pot following the deaths of dozens due to marijuana overdoses.

According to a report in the Rocky Mountain News, 37 people were killed across the state on Jan. 1, the first day the drug became legal for all adults to purchase. Several more are clinging onto life in local emergency rooms and are not expected to survive.

"It's complete chaos here," says Dr. Jack Shepard, chief of surgery at St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver. "I've put five college students in body bags since breakfast and more are arriving every minute.

"We are seeing cardiac arrests, hypospadias, acquired trimethylaminuriaand multiple organ failures. By next week the death toll could go as high as 200, maybe 300. Someone needs to step in and stop this madness. My god, why did we legalize marijuana? What were we thinking?"
Are we sure this wasn't from the Onion? It perfect for it...

I see I am not the only one thinking along these lines. It's freaking reefer madness bullshit.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
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WELL-BEING
July 22, 2015
More Than Four in 10 Americans Say They Have Tried Marijuana
by Justin McCarthy
Story Highlights
  • Forty-four percent say they have tried marijuana
  • About one in 10 Americans say they currently smoke pot
  • Greatest differences in use and experimentation among age groups


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Oregon becomes the fourth state to make recreational marijuana use legal, 44% of Americans say they have tried marijuana. This is the highest percentage Gallup has found since it began asking the question in 1969. Back then, a mere 4% admitted to having tried it.

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It's almost mainstream America. Maybe people are just more honest and all the older citizens from a different era are dieing off.
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Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
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WELL-BEING
July 22, 2015
More Than Four in 10 Americans Say They Have Tried Marijuana
by Justin McCarthy
Story Highlights
  • Forty-four percent say they have tried marijuana
  • About one in 10 Americans say they currently smoke pot
  • Greatest differences in use and experimentation among age groups


WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Oregon becomes the fourth state to make recreational marijuana use legal, 44% of Americans say they have tried marijuana. This is the highest percentage Gallup has found since it began asking the question in 1969. Back then, a mere 4% admitted to having tried it.

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It's almost mainstream America. Maybe people are just more honest and all the older citizens from a different era are dieing off.
CK
I'd be willing to bet that although the percentage numbers of people who partake of the good herb are minorly increasing as the years progress, most of these individuals overall are using less herb and less frequently (i.e., just occasionally, more judiciously & frugally) than ever before. And while there may be some addictive qualities that can be attributed to herb, it is not necessarily true for everybody. I, for one, can completely forgo the enjoyment of it for many many months without giving a single thought to it - I have absolutely no lingering dependence whatsoever. Most often, for me, it has always been just an afterthought rather than a driving co-dependent force. Thoughts?
 
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Snappo,

Gunky

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I'm in my sixties and consume more than ever. Always been a heavy consumer and now it is more available to me because medical grows are allowed in CA (and I am able to tolerate it without bronchitis if I vape). One of the odd things about cannabinoid tolerance is that heavy users like me are not the most impaired. That would be the once in while consumer.
 
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little maggie

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The cannabis thing in the Bland case is a total red herring, part of the continuing drug war police state mentality. That she was threatened, dragged from her car, assaulted, thrown in jail for 3 days for doing absolutely nothing besides being insufficiently subservient to to some cracker Texas cop - that is an outrage.
Well said. The suicide theory seems to absolve the police from guilt. And it's based on the lack of wounds and her being suicidal a year ago after losing a baby. As if that indicates mental illness. The cop who arrested her is not even on suspension. In my paranoia about the police I can't help but wonder what they said/did over those 3 days and what other drugs were involved that didn't show up. Seems like that would make her more out of it and less likely to fight back if another person was involved. In my non paranoid state I think that anyone seeing the video would have to wonder about PTSD. Either way the police are not innocent.
 
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Gunky

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Well said. The suicide theory seems to absolve the police from guilt. And it's based on the lack of wounds and her being suicidal a year ago after losing a baby. As if that indicates mental illness. The cop who arrested her is not even on suspension. In my paranoia about the police I can't help but wonder what they said/did over those 3 days and what other drugs were involved that didn't show up. Seems like that would make her more out of it and less likely to fight back if another person was involved. In my non paranoid state I think that anyone seeing the video would have to wonder about PTSD. Either way the police are not innocent.
They locked her up with $5000 bail. Apparently she needed to come up with $500 cash to get out and couldn't. They locked her up and control most of the evidence. We can't really know what happened to her. Maybe it is as they say and she killed herself. I really trust those Texas cops not to close ranks and cover up any wrongdoing... Not!

But we can know for sure that the policeman abused his power, turned a bogus stop into harassment and a violent arrest, and probably was setting her up for some involuntary donations to the police and town budget.

Let me add that I sincerely hope that the FBI and Justice Dept come down on this police department like a ton of bricks and that Ms. Bland's family sues the living daylights out of the officer and the police department.

Heh, oops sorry for thread hijack. This case makes me angry. As others have noted, there is a pattern here that keeps repeating. We should all be getting concerned and even angry about the police-state implications, the petty tyranny of local bullies with a badges, guns, sticks tasers..., the racial implications, the warrior cop preying upon and harassing rather than protecting... etc
 
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Roth

Pining for the Mountains
Crazy, I grew up maybe 30 minutes from Waller, where this all happened. It's not even that far outside of Houston, maybe an hour. This shit has to stop, I can't believe that things like this keep on happening. It's become the norm now.

Our police state has gone entirely out of control.
 

bounce5

Well-Known Member
Crazy, I grew up maybe 30 minutes from Waller, where this all happened. It's not even that far outside of Houston, maybe an hour. This shit has to stop, I can't believe that things like this keep on happening. It's become the norm now.

Our police state has gone entirely out of control.

This is really long but this interview on Joe Rogan's Podcast with Ex-Baltimore Police Officer of 11 years - turned whistleblower gave me a glimmer of hope. He gives a brutally honest interview. He says that we have to end the drug war and get money out of politics (hence the WOLFPAC t-shirt) - so that ethical people can be put into office - which would allow an ethical police chief to get the job and allow change - someone who would serve the people vs serve the corporations. He says that 90% of what he did was related to the drug war - which is just ridiculous. And racial profiling is built into the system - they have quotas they have to reach or they get in trouble for not doing their "job" - and they can't go around targeting white people. At 19 minutes he mentions marijuana legalization and using science to dictate policy.

 
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gangababa

Well-Known Member
A conscious dying body struggles. Ms Bland's death happened (it is said) during a 55 minutes period about breakfast time.
No way Ms Bland was saint enough (think self-immolating Buddhist monk), to control her awake trashing, dying body; NOISE would have been heard.

Possibly, overnight, in sleep, a person having set up the noose ahead, could slowly pass from O2 lack while the consciousness is resolved in deep sleep.
 

grokit

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Kansas Man Facing Felony Murder Charge for Telling an Acquaintance Where He Could Find Marijuana
July 21, 2015 This is one part of what's the matter with Kansas.
By Matt Agorist / The Free Thought Project

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Wichita, KS — Kyler Carriker is a good person. He is a loving husband and a father whose life could be ruined because of the ridiculous nature of the state’s war on drugs.

According to Carriker’s family, on April 17th, 2013, Kyler and a friend had finished work and were headed out to go fishing. They were stopped by a train where they ran into Carriker’s former classmate. Carriker was asked if he could find any “smoke,” meaning marijuana. Carriker said he could try, so they exchanged telephone numbers.

What Carriker didn’t know was that his old classmate from school had since become an active gang member. This former classmate planned to rob Carriker and whomever else was involved in the marijuana transaction.

Kyler Carriker agreed to meet his former classmate at his friend Kyle Belts’ home to introduce his former classmate and the marijuana dealer. However, the former classmate arrived with several other gang members, and later testified in court to the fact that the plan was to rob Carriker, Belts, and Ronald Betts, the marijuana dealer and brother of former Kansas state Senator Donald Betts.

Almost immediately upon entering Belts’ home, the gang members began firing. Carriker and Betts were both shot and unfortunately Betts died from his injuries.

According to Carriker’s family, after leaving the home, the shooter bragged to the other gang members, saying that he had “killed them all.”

After the shooting, instead seeking actual justice for this killing, Carriker was charged with the murder of Betts because he acted as a middleman in the marijuana sale.

In a tyrannically absurd move, the state of Kansas added marijuana offenses to the list of inherently dangerous felonies, or crimes where death is likely to occur. The law was amended on July 1, 2013, three months after the incident involving Carriker. However, the state retroactively applied this nonsense to Carriker’s case!

Carriker did absolutely nothing morally wrong; he merely lined up a potential trade deal between two other people. In the process, he and his friend became victims of an armed robbery. For being victimized by gang members, Carriker now faces a mandatory minimum sentence of 20 years in prison, without the possibility of parole.

He harmed no one!

A child could tell you that the death of Betts was a result of the robbery and not a marijuana deal, as deals do not involve one party killing the other. However, the court has ruled that Carriker’s attorney cannot use this as a defense, despite the ruling of State v. Beach, which dictates that an extraordinary intervening event [the robbery] can be presented as the cause of death, according to the family.

The court has also ruled in favor of prosecutor Trinity Muth’s motion in limine to suppress all information pertaining to the robbers’ gang affiliations. This means that the jury will not be told that Carriker had no ties to gangs and that the robbers were all documented gang members.

By pursuing murder charges in this fashion, the court is essentially saying that marijuana is more dangerous than armed robbery.

All of this injustice is facilitated by a flawed legal doctrine called the Felony Murder Rule. While the felony murder rule is most commonly used to defer the liability of police who kill innocent people during the pursuit of a criminal, in this instance, it’s being used to bolster the prosecutor’s conviction rate by charging an innocent man with murder.

On Monday, Carriker’s trial began. Jennifer Winn, Carriker’s mother, and a former gubernatorial candidate has helped to raise awareness for her son’s railroading by the justice system.

Advocates of jury nullification and ending the drug war all showed up to court yesterday to voice their support for Carriker. However, in true tyrannical fashion, the judge ruled that t-shirts showing support for Carriker are now illegal and can not be worn to court.

The irony here is that had the state not outlawed marijuana effectively pushing its sale into dark alleys and criminal elements, Kyler Carriker would be enjoying his children right now, instead of facing the possibility of never seeing them again.

This case is one of the worst travesties of the justice system’s war on marijuana in recent history, and the mainstream media is silent. Please help shine light on this darkness by sharing this article with your friends and family. If you are in the Witchita area, please go to the courthouse and show your support for this father and husband. Please help this family seek #JusticeforKyler.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/kansas-man-facing-felony-murder-charge-telling-where-find-marijuana
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Interesting that Ms Bland's cell didn't have video on her. I understand no videos of the prisoners? In this day and age unacceptable not to have cameras, that's for the protection of both parties. What, were the guards sleeping? Very convienent that she committed suicide after that nightmare of a video. The police officer that's supposed to serve and protect the citizens.

Just because she had cannabis in her system not an issue IMO. When she committed suicide supposably was a long time since she would have consumed any weed.

That officer should have just given the ticket and let the lady be on her way. Fuck him, she doesn't need to put out her cigarette. She was sitting in her car. It would have only been a courtesy on her part, good manners. It's not against the law to have bad manners.
 
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Snappo

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Interesting that Ms Bland's cell didn't have video on her. I understand no videos of the prisoners? In this day and age unacceptable not to have cameras, that's for the protection of both parties. What, were the guards sleeping? Very convienent that she committed suicide after that nightmare of a video. The police officer that's supposed to serve and protect the citizens.

Just because she had cannabis in her system not an issue IMO. When she committed suicide supposably was a long time since she would have consumed any weed.

That officer should have just given the ticket and let the lady be on her way. Fuck him, she doesn't need to put out her cigarette. She was sitting in her car. It would have only been a courtesy on her part, good manners. It's not against the law to have bad manners.
Allowing her to have any potentially self-harming implements in her possession while inside the jail cell is negligence on the part of the police department at the very least (guarding against any such tragedy should be standard procedure). Herb in her system much after the fact of the arrest is a non-issue, and even if it were fresh in her system and she were a little buzzed, that would've probably made her more docile & chill and less inclined to do anything radical. "Official" foul play at work here, IMO.
 
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Gunky

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Interesting that Ms Bland's cell didn't have video on her. I understand no videos of the prisoners? In this day and age unacceptable not to have cameras, that's for the protection of both parties. What, were the guards sleeping? Very convienent that she committed suicide after that nightmare of a video. The police officer that's supposed to serve and protect the citizens.

Just because she had cannabis in her system not an issue IMO. When she committed suicide supposably was a long time since she would have consumed any weed.

That officer should have just given the ticket and let the lady be on her way. Fuck him, she doesn't need to put out her cigarette. She was sitting in her car. It would have only been a courtesy on her part, good manners. It's not against the law to have bad manners.

I thought she was pretty restrained in her comments. He stopped her and wrote her up for moving out of the way when he charged up behind her! But the point is she doesn't have to be polite. "Contempt of cop" is not an actual crime. The police are trained and expected to deal with surly customers. That's their job and what they get paid for. They are not paid to threaten a black woman with tasers when she does not bow and scrape enough to satisfy the cop's ego and bigotry. At no time in this whole, shameful affair can the police be said to have acted to protect public safety or the safety of Ms. Bland.

Let's suppose that this officer really hates tobacco smoke and she is blowing smoke at him. All he has to do is step back and say ok if you want to continue smoking I will stand over here until you are finished, ma'am. That's all. He was either looking for a pretext or he is emotionally not equipped to be a policeman and should be fired.

Police officers are public servants. As such they represent us, the public. They are acting in our name to maintain public order and safety. I do not want people acting in my name and as my representative behaving like bigoted, profiteering jackasses! How is it that these guardians of safety ended up clapping a woman in jail for three days over changing lane without signaling? Something is rotten here.
 
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