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Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

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VapourHaze

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Similar performance but it will be tuned to a single optimum voltage rather than be adjustable like the Zion. However, the fire button will have a .2 Volt tactile throttle for a little overdrive when its needed. This sacrifice was necessary to maximize the stealth factor of this unit. The added simplicity will also allow us to reduce cost and maximize reliability. It will be interesting to see what @pakalolo thinks of the alpha unit as he is the master of manual vaporizers.

Oh nice ... i take it you'll be able to adjust performance through changing the distance of the screen in the stem and riding the throttle etc

i think also there will be an optimum setting for most zion users even with the option to tailor your power output. Having a good preset on the little one should please most users i would think.

What's a rough estimate of battery life for this puppy?
 

pakalolo

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Little Bugger has landed:

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For those who don't know, it usually takes me a few days of use before I'm ready to share an opinion. It might be longer in this case because this is really a prototype and everything will be discussed with @RastaBuddhaTao and the beta team first.
 

RastaBuddhaTao

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Little Bugger has landed:

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lfry5hq.jpg

For those who don't know, it usually takes me a few days of use before I'm ready to share an opinion. It might be longer in this case because this is really a prototype and everything will be discussed with @RastaBuddhaTao and the beta team first.
Good to know she made it. Amazing pictures as always.
 
Little Bugger has landed:

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lfry5hq.jpg

@RastaBuddhaTao For those who don't know, it usually takes me a few days of use before I'm ready to share an opinion. It might be longer in this case because this is really a prototype and everything will be discussed with @RastaBuddhaTao and the beta team first.
@RastaBuddhaTao Lookin mad fly. If you plan to keep the steam punk theme, why not a dial indicator, rather than LED?
 
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Yeh it will change in brightness with voltage. This will serve as a throttle indicator and battery indicator...

... Thoughts?
I guess the brightness indicator works well for night sessions, I was just thinking a dial gauge would be more steampunk appropriate (and relatively simple machinery).
It won't have a led for final version?
 
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1_gr8_underdog

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I'm really digging the tiny factor coupled with the steam punkishness. Great job @RastaBuddhaTao I like the idea of led dimming, but for stealh I agree with ragnorokk. A simple dail with a needle would fit the style and draw less attention then bright leds.
 
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RastaBuddhaTao

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Yeh that would have a distinct retro feel. I did a quick search and they don't offer the analog gages that small.

I am in the thick of the design and I come to FC with the following questions?

With this design being aiming to be both cost conscience as well as stealth I am working to use as few as parts as possible. This in the spirit of the old school dugout. The issue comes in that the dug was room for the mouthpiece and a stash spot and the lighter was in the other pocket. Us being above combustion now require a heater and a battery. All four of these combined defeats the stealth nature. Would you want to A. Keep it as simple as possible and just have the heater and battery and a Good button like what Pak pictured above (draw back is the mouthpiece is separate) have an optional dugout that houses the mouthpiece(s) and the stash or it could be in the form of a bi-fold with spots for stems and a herb vial and spare battery (could have a spot for the unit but it that would probably be too big). Or B. add the cost and complexity to the unit to integrate the stem such that there is no separate joint. This would have you load the female joint and there would be a cap and a tube that transported the vapor through the unit body to a small fixed nipple at the opposite end from the load that would serve as the mouthpiece similar to the PAX 2. This would entail a Zion like wooden cap with magnetic attachment and the complexity of the internal vapor tube. Let's say hypothetically option A retailed for $100 and option B detailed for $150. Which would you by? How would you build your ultimate stealth Zion? Is there a market for both options? Options in between? Your feedback is much appreciated.

Keep in mind the integrated unit would use the 10 mm and the "Pak" style above would use the 14 mm. This is to "right size" the load as the integrated unit would load the female 10 mm and the separate gong mouthpiece would load the male side of the removable mouthpiece. I point out this distinction for people who would use this in water. It might make sense to do a cylindrical inline unit with the 18350 with a silicone tip? Or the integrated mouthpiece bullet could insert into a silicone water told adapter?

@pakalolo do you have any thoughts yet forming? Do you have 14 mm removable mouthpiece disdain as some of the other Beta testers do? Can it be alleviated by @MrPeanut idea of a "gong clip" that would lock the gong in place? I think the joint taper when seated snugly with the shorter joint stays in pretty well. It's clear that I am having trouble pulling myself away from the minimalist MFLB design approach but if the customers want an integrated stem and are willing to pay more for it I am all for it. Depending on the feedback I might prototype both.
 
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Shit Snacks

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Yeh that would have a distinct retro feel. I did a quick search and they don't offer the analog gages that small.

I am in the thick of the design and I come to FC with the following questions?

With this design being aiming to be both cost conscience as well as stealth I am working to use as few as parts as possible. This in the spirit of the old school dugout. The issue comes in that the dug was room for the mouthpiece and a stash spot and the lighter was in the other pocket. Us being above combustion now require a heater and a battery. All four of these combined defeats the stealth nature. Would you want to A. Keep it as simple as possible and just have the heater and battery and a Good button like what Pak pictured above (draw back is the mouthpiece is separate) have an optional dugout that houses the mouthpiece(s) and the stash or it could be in the form of a bi-fold with spots for stems and a herb vial and spare battery (could have a spot for the unit but it that would probably be too big). Or B. add the cost and complexity to the unit to integrate the stem such that there is no separate joint. This would have you load the female joint and there would be a cap and a tube that transported the vapor through the unit body to a small fixed nipple at the opposite end from the load that would serve as the mouthpiece similar to the PAX 2. This would entail a Zion like wooden cap with magnetic attachment and the complexity of the internal vapor tube. Let's say hypothetically option A retailed for $100 and option B detailed for $150. Which would you by? How would you build your ultimate stealth Zion? Is there a market for both options? Options in between? Your feedback is much appreciated.

Keep in mind the integrated unit would use the 10 mm and the "Pak" style above would use the 14 mm. This is to "right size" the load as the integrated unit would load the female 10 mm and the separate gong mouthpiece would load the male side of the removable mouthpiece. I point out this distinction for people who would use this in water. It might make sense to do a cylindrical inline unit with the 18350 with a silicone tip? Or the integrated mouthpiece bullet could insert into a silicone water told adapter?

@pakalolo do you have any thoughts yet forming? Do you have 14 mm removable mouthpiece disdain as some of the other Beta testers do? Can it be alleviated by @MrPeanut idea of a "gong clip" that would lock the gong in place? I think the joint taper when seated snugly with the shorter joint stays in pretty well. It's clear that I am having trouble pulling myself away from the minimalist MFLB design approach but if the customers want an integrated stem and are willing to pay more for it I am all for it. Depending on the feedback I might prototype both.

I honestly see the value in both, have separate glass stems seems impractical at first, but 14mm male and as short as you want can make a big difference imo, maybe even more stealth than an Air stem that way. Also take into account its a small square that can be fisted and it seems easier to stealth hide than Air during a draw too...

Separate also means capsules, get a wallet, wooden or any material case to hold prepacked small stems ready to go. Or male it bigger and house everything together dugout style (or triangle style with just one hole, for either herbs or a stem). Super easy to clean this way too, keeping things separate, since you're removing the chamber essentially.

Integrated chamber unit could offer ultimate stealth though, but you cant clean the chamber as easily. Directly loading a small 10mm female bowl is interesting, like a tubular Firefly bowl, very FF meets GH (and both have similar cleaning limitations)... And then like ff magentic lid, or even a threaded cap could work, or hinged for diy style.

However I would try to keep the mouthpiece itself glass or even wood or steel would work. Keeps things a bit more pure, though trickier to connect it all together simply ofcourse. But a wooden+ steel bushing for threading to the glass 10mm bowl? That might could work rather well as a direct GH competitor with an 18650 or micro with a 18350........
 
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RastaBuddhaTao

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I honestly see the value in both, have separate glass stems seems impractical at first, but 14mm male and as short as you want can make a big difference imo, maybe even more stealth than an Air stem that way. Also take into account its a small square that can be fisted and it seems easier to stealth hide than Air during a draw too...

Separate also means capsules, get a wallet, wooden or any material case to hold prepacked small stems ready to go. Or male it bigger and house everything together dugout style (or triangle style with just one hole, for either herbs or a stem). Super easy to clean this way too, keeping things separate, since you're removing the chamber essentially.

Integrated chamber unit could offer ultimate stealth though, but you cant clean the chamber as easily. Directly loading a small 10mm female bowl is interesting, like a tubular Firefly bowl, very FF meets GH (and both have similar cleaning limitations)... And then like ff magentic lid, or even a threaded cap could work, or hinged for diy style.

However I would try to keep the mouthpiece itself glass or even wood or steel would work. Keeps things a bit more pure, though trickier to connect it all together simply ofcourse. But a wooden+ steel bushing for threading to the glass 10mm bowl? That might could work rather well as a direct GH competitor with an 18650 or micro with a 18350........
Spot on feedback Thanks! yeh no plastic for me I agree... Might need Silicone seals in the integrated design but all major flow path components will be glass, SS, wood or maybe aluminum if heat sinking is required. I also like the glass on glass feel of two mated joints, you don't get the same feel metal to glass and wood wraps and the seal fails. Plus I am thinking with all you guys hooking the Zion to all that water the same would happen with this guy and a standard 14 mm lends itself well for that. The tried and true glass have served the Zion well. Well I shipped all my Zion's and I need to build myself something today... Let's see what moves me?

I like the size possibilities of the 18350 but in my mind it only makes sense in-line with the heater and cylindrical. Heck at that point it's a 14 mm vaporizer lighter ;) shoot if you made it 18 mm it would fit over most conventional bowls and literally be a convection lighter? So many possibilities with this technology... That is a good point about the heater being seperate. The glass joint female screen on the Zion never gets dirty. The male mouthpiece does. Loading the female side would require a screen capsule and eventually small bits would tend to fall in the heater. Thanks for the thoughts and perspectives... Keep em coming.
 
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cybrguy

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Its a little hard for me to conceptualize things. I'm better with them in my hand. That being said it seems to me that the separate mouthpiece is a better idea for several reasons, including loading, stem size, and price. One could carry a couple preloaded stems (in some kind of wallet), and then reloading them would likely be easier. I am totally unfamiliar with carts, capsules or bullets.
I know that users tend to use water with everything, and you certainly don't want to make something that CAN'T be used with water, I think you don't need to emphasize (or compromise any other design elements for) water use with a device so small and meant to be stealth. This unit will rarely be the only vape a user has so its compatibility with water would only be an extra.
 
Its a little hard for me to conceptualize things. I'm better with them in my hand. That being said it seems to me that the separate mouthpiece is a better idea for several reasons, including loading, stem size, and price. One could carry a couple preloaded stems (in some kind of wallet), and then reloading them would likely be easier. I am totally unfamiliar with carts, capsules or bullets.
I know that users tend to use water with everything, and you certainly don't want to make something that CAN'T be used with water, I think you don't need to emphasize (or compromise any other design elements for) water use with a device so small and meant to be stealth. This unit will rarely be the only vape a user has so its compatibility with water would only be an extra.
I disagree. As with most small vapes, discretion is important while transporting, but if it does a good job I will be utilizing it more than my other pieces, even at home. While I wouldn't suggest it be made for any specific water tools, I think it's a great idea to keep them in mind. Knowing you can hook a piece up to water makes a difference when actually purchasing, for me - if it requires too much jury rigging, I'll skip it. I'm going to want to put it through water, I like water filtration.

As for the mouthpiece/stem... It probably makes more sense for the mp/stem to be removable, so cleaning the unit isn't an issue. That means it should be possible to either store the mp in the unit, or perhaps a small case that carries the units and any removable parts.

Also, It's cool to have a stash, but at this point in my life I'm pretty accustomed to bringing my green in a separate container-- I usually just chuck something in a used nug jar from a dispensary. I would not be upset to see "stash space" struck from the list of requirements.

I have to say, the Zion didn't quite capture my imagination and attention the way this smaller device has. It may have something I do with the slightly more steampunk design, or that I'm normally adverse to blocky wood units, but the proto you sent Pak is mad sexy.

@Shit Snacks let's call hiding a small device in your hand "palming," rather than "fisting." Bleh. :p
 

RastaBuddhaTao

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Thanks for the feedback all. Yeh, given the cleaning issues I agree we need to stick with the load the stem Zion configuration. I watched @pakalolo run the little bugger through water last night so I think the 14 mm standard glass plays well into the water thing. With a wallet, load caps, etc I think we can come up with a creative solution to manage the loose mouthpieces. I believe if the unit has a good feeling tactile button and a clip to lock the short stealth mouthpiece in for pocket stowing I think it will hit most functional requirements while providing stealth rapid convection vapor with a really aggressive price point. After meeting with @pakalolo last night we will be building a Beta test fleet to further explore this concept design.

Please post thoughts on battery access, button fit form and function, LED color, mouthpiece retention etc. RBT builds vaporizers for you so tell us where to go..... Next.
 

Likes2vape

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This is looking sweet!! If possible the led and fire button should be the skinny side of the box like a e-cig box mod.

Green or blue led screen, just no red screen!!! (Red=bad energy) :cry::|:2c:

Make battery access as easy as possible
 
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Tek

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Looks awesome! I myself would prefer a red led light instead of blue, red retains the most night vision, blue just scatters and strains your eyes in the dark.
 
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For me something along these lines has the form factor. All glass air way and as few electronics as possible.
 
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