The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

An online-limited friend bought my EQ. I just spent over 50$ on the all glass ballon kit + a 6 balloons pack on Arizer's website and we barely got time to get a bag dirty! I totally loved it but he just handed me 200$ and left with it .

The local headshop sold him a barely working Titan 1 for 130$ , these go for 30$ online... Just to put into perspective how happy he was to get my almost new EQ.

I thought "meh, I'll order another one, maybe even hold on for a sale", but I found a 50$ coupon for the Vapir Rise 2.0 with torontovaporizers and I couldn't resist, so I have some accessories left. I don't mind, I will get another EQ eventually, but if anyone in Canada wants a kickass complete upgrade kit for their EQ, we could work something out.

1 DDave adapter from californiasea
1 SSV GG wand from Namaste Vape
1 Arizer all glass mini whip set
1 Arizer balloons 6 pack

I game my friend 2 new balloons, so from the 8 bags (2 from whip set, 6 from pack), 5 are new and shippable.

I'll put up a for sale thread with pictures when I get back home.

DogDad said:

I have that DDave bowl. The shorter (lower) one and the one that gets the elbow closer to the heating element.

Yes, do try that fan trick to preheat and let me know how it goes. I think it helps but could have been my imagination too.

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I find if I use the DDave with bags I just get one awesome milky one and then maybe if I'm lucky one whispy one. If I use the cyclone bowl I seem to get more.
I'll have to test both ways out with this fan heat trick.

HD Springer said:

Edit: I purchased a cloudbuddy and I've started using a cotton/filter in the vapor path. It doesn't restrict my airflow and the amount of pure thc that is collected is unreal. .

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Er, doesn't it make what you're doing with the cotton in (i.e. when loading the cotton) weaker, so it's kinda like just packing the bowl extra or taking an extra hit when you release it?

biohacker said:

Although i'm loving the EQ, i've mostly abandoned using the cyclone bowl because of that damn screen that doesn't ever want to seat. Any tips? Is it just time needed for more resin to form?

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I think it's been said, but there's a lot to bending/stretching the screen. Same for the elbow screens, a tiny bit of flexing can make them fit well!

vakednotfried said:

Are you letting all glass heat up? when i hit my bong through eq with elbow pack I can get 4 to 5 packed elbows from a gram usually. And out of the elbows 5 to 10 big rips as i said depending on your bud. Haven't wieghed how much goes in elbow but i have read people saying from .10 of gram to .25 of gram.

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That makes sense. I'll typically run anywhere from 25-100 mg just in the cyclone, or more if there's a group. I started weighing religiously for a while and I'm starting to get a much better feel for what effects what. I can get ~1.5 bags out of even 25 (I think it just comes out slow regardless of amount) but my new set up is much, much faster.

DogDad said:

I set my temp, turned on fan 3 for 10 minutes with an empty elbow. I load the elbow and wait 3 minutes before starting the bag. It worked much better.

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I'd probably run the fan on low. If anything, restrict the outlet. It might be that you're running it a bit longer than you need to. I preheat ~8 minutes fan off (plenty of time to casually grab some water, do my grinding, etc), generally with the herb inside as soon as it's ready - with the bag attached I'm less worried about losing anything. When I'm in a rush, it'll be ~1 min with fan on high, ~1 with it on low.

DogDad said:

I'm also thinking of using 2 bags so I can hit one while the other is filling and not turn off that fan until bag 4 or I'm done.

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You know, I've noticed when I'm hitting the bag, it's less relaxing. Kinda kills a little of the buzz. If I have company, I'll set up a chair, make a bag last several, even 5 minutes (of course, that's when I'm holding my hits for 60 seconds+). If I'm just hit-hold-hit-hold-hit-hold it's... like work. :-) The whip is kinda more relaxing like that, at your own pace.
Try it, grab a book, your phone, whatever, but just chill for a bit, it's subtle but it's better. :-)

Came up with something more elaborate, but flexible. Bought an 18mm male/male downstem much like this one and used it like an SSV wand with my dDave. The glass wall is thick, But not as thick as the actual SSV ground glass wand that I have been eyeballing. Still not a bad find/workaround for $10 less. Plus it's nice buying from a local retailer. She pretty much showed me every generic 18M/M downstem from her building. So I picked the one with the thickest wall of glass with a wide enough throat. It's funny how I get these people to lug out their boxes of stuff in the back room to get that one thing I might want. Sometimes I'll just save time and say "Show me your junk drawer."

As far as getting it to work like a wand. With some help of some silicone tubing I place an ordinary 18 Female/Female adapter over the stem end to enclose those diffusion holes. Perhaps this might even diffuse the vapor before moving it further up the glassway? (I supposed I could have simply slid the tubing over the diffusion holes.)

Then I place the EQ elbow in the 18 F/F on the very top. Also shortened the PVC coming from the elbow to about 16".

With some adapter magic, attached the 'PnP' pinchie chillum. 'PnP' meaning I can attach the bowl end to a balloon.GonG or use it as a whip. Because the bowl end is concave enough to resembles an adapter, I can insert anything about that size to fit it like a plug. Feels like several smaller ideas are coming together. The downstem even has the ring between the m/m to place a flat screen. Like say a fatty SSV. Most of the heat collects below the ring area, but the entire stem gets warm enough when preheated. Which is all good.

So buying a $15 downstem with thicker walls was cheaper then the $25 SSV wand, plus its a downstem! When things are primed and preheated, A whip session can entirely white-out the entire stem with enough of a draw. Having an 18 F/F covering the diffuser holes might add something to the mix as to say simply covering the holes with silicone tubing. But that's entirlly speculation IMHO. Any thoughts on that?

TomC1315 said:

Now then, back to reading through this thread ...

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Interesting story you have to tell! I like that you partake with your wife and seem to have a good relationship with MJ even after your past history with it.

And do read up as much as you can! I must have read over 200 pages before I bought my EQ, and I read about the whip being a bit of a learning curve. I couldn't imagine how hard it could be to operate something you suck air through. Boy, was I wrong. It really does take a certain technique to get your high exactly where you want it. The first few days of using my EQ, I went back to my Air constantly because I just wasn't getting where I wanted with it. Fast forward a couple of weeks later, and I can hardly bring myself to turn it off anymore.

So I tested for science and using the elbow pack with the fan preheat:
F/f (DDave) adaptor: normal resutls here. One nice thick bag, one whispy one.
Cyclone bowl: 2 thick milky bags, 1 or 2 whispy bags.
So I'd say it worked but I still get better results from the cyclone bowl with the bags.

Boreus said:

So I tested for science and using the elbow pack with the fan preheat:
F/f (DDave) adaptor: normal resutls here. One nice thick bag, one whispy one.
Cyclone bowl: 2 thick milky bags, 1 or 2 whispy bags.
So I'd say it worked but I still get better results from the cyclone bowl with the bags.

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What fan speeds are you using for bags. When I do bags which is rare I do fan speed 1 every bag, yeah takes a bit longer but it will be denser.

Wow, the EQ is quickly becoming my favourite new (old) vape again! Serious vape signature to this one! Haven't really played with the bags much, but really enjoying elbow packing and using a water tool! Super smooth hits, and they are pretty massive! I can't believe how efficient the elbow pack technique is, and just how well it extracts! I think I like this thing better than my LSV and Plenty! Such an amazing bang for buck vape!

vakednotfried said:

What fan speeds are you using for bags. When I do bags which is rare I do fan speed 1 every bag, yeah takes a bit longer but it will be denser.

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I'm using 3 to fill the bags, I believe I tried all 3 setting (I know 2 and 3 for sure) and I found 3 gave the best results. Maybe I'll try again on 1 though just to be sure.

Well, it's not here yet, but ... props to eBay authorized Arizer dealer vapesandparts ... I ordered the ExQ Sunday, expecting a (free shipping) Friday delivery ... lo and behold: it's on the FedEx truck heading my way for a 3day/Wednesday delivery.

Hmmmm ... I'm going straight to the elbow pack method ... my better half thinks the bag looks odd, so I think we'll try the whip first, fan speed 1.

I like the concept of low temps at first, and then raising the temp later on to extract all of what's so wonderful.

I'm glad it includes a free grinder ... my 4pc. Space Case (small) is still in Cali as of this A.M.

As I stated in my initial post, I came off of what turned out to be a 9.5yr tolerance break a little over 4 months ago ... a lot has changed, it seems to me, in the MJ world in the years between 2005 and 2015 ...

grinders(?): after starting back up and hearing about grinders, I thought they would be counter-productive and ruin the herbals ... I always liked the scissors ... but now I see that they're the way to go ... so that cheap plastic grinder I'll receive today will come in handy 'till my Space Case gets here.

Question: how dry do I need the bud to be? Should I grind up what I use a little bit before hand, leave it out to dry out for a while, and then pack the elbow?

Thanks :-)

TomC1315 said:

Question: how dry do I need the bud to be? Should I grind up what I use a little bit before hand, leave it out to dry out for a while, and then pack the elbow?

Thanks :-)

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I have different vaporizers, and my take on this question is "as fine and dry as the screen allows", so with my Air and Flowermate I don't grind as fine because the small mouthpieces get clogged.

Imagine we are extracting alcohol from a liquid mixture. The alcohol turns to vapor before the water does, because it has the lowest boiling point of the two. Once all the alcohol is gone, the mixture temperature naturally raises from say 70C to 100C, and the water starts to boil. You may finally "extract" water after "removing" the alcohol.

Heat extraction of the resins of a plant works the same. The water in the bud has the lowest boiling point of this mixture, it will absorb heat and turn into steam as long as its present. When all the water has left, the bud temperature will rise above 100C, and the magic happens. You don't see those numbers on the display, it's just the physics of things.

For my liking, the pre-ground herbs that I keep in the top part of my 2 parts container is dryer than what you would roll in a paper. The aromas hit me right in the nose everytime I open it, good thing it's leakproof!

In a while, when your whip needs replacement (it will eventually), don't get the Arizer hose, get a silicone hose instead. Makes a world of difference, I remember hating how stiff the regular hose was.

The bags are something special. You can get to your hammock with a filled bag and sip it quietly. You can watch a movie and have one while comfortably laying on the couch, no risk for roach burn! What I also like about balloons is that the whole extraction is blended into it, so it averages the taste and the density.

If I can conclude with some personal experience I had with my partner, I'd say give her time. For a while she rolled her own js while I was enjoying my vape sessions. She didn't like the Air and its restricted draw, or the cumbersome EQ. Then one day she had a session on her own with the Air and loved it. I got her a flowermate two weeks ago, and it's her new favorite toy.

random question can u use food grade bags or the volcano ones on a roll or is it best to only use the own brand

I used a bunch of oven bags (turkey bags), they work fine! A pack of 2 is 2,50$ CAD at the store, while Arizer bags cost 2,50$ CAD each. I prefer the Arizer bags, they don't make that crumbled mylar noise. I suppose Volcano bags are also made to resist high temperatures so they would be fine.

I can get freezer bags from the local butchers there made if high quality polythene and there actually slightly thicker than the Q bags ... with an added bonus that they come in Sandwich bag size upto bin liner .... although I think I may kill myself with that much vape in one hit lol any idea on the volume of the branded ones....... just annoying all the ones I've found are with new mouth pieces I don't need them or rubber o rings... I have ordered a new elbow though as mine decided it wanted to bounce and die lol

mikeybmw said:

I can get freezer bags from the local butchers there made if high quality polythene and there actually slightly thicker than the Q bags ... with an added bonus that they come in Sandwich bag size upto bin liner .... although I think I may kill myself with that much vape in one hit lol any idea on the volume of the branded ones....... just annoying all the ones I've found are with new mouth pieces I don't need them or rubber o rings... I have ordered a new elbow though as mine decided it wanted to bounce and die lol

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If you don't want to waste money on mouthpieces and o-rings, there's a 6 bag pack for 15$ CAD on arizer.com. Maybe you could ask your retailer to stock these up.

Further testing:
Preheat with the fan + fan level 1 to fill:
Cyclone bowl: zero thick milky bags. 2 that are more than whispy but not as good as I get on higher fan speeds. Then a few whispy bags.
F/f (DDave): one milky bag, one somewhere between milky and whispy, one really weak whispy bag.

Boreus said:

Further testing:
Preheat with the fan + fan level 1 to fill:
Cyclone bowl: zero thick milky bags. 2 that are more than whispy but not as good as I get on higher fan speeds. Then a few whispy bags.
F/f (DDave): one milky bag, one somewhere between milky and whispy, one really weak whispy bag.

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I'm trying to figure and wonder why you aren't getting milky bags I run my eq stock and get milky big clouds that put a combusted bong hit to shame. Maybe your heater is some what faulty and not hitting the correct temps. I am a loss for words

Maybe you don't have premium buds, or they are simply a strain that does not produce as much apparent vapor. Not all strain produce the same visual aspect, there's some info about it on this forum.

If you crank it up all the way to 260C, will it char/burn the herbs? Keep a close eye on it in case it ignites, but the way I test things is first finding how much is too much, then backing up in steps until it's fine. If you start at "no vapor" and stop at "I should be getting vapor", you will never know for sure that the heater is able to heat up to 260C.

260C would probably char anything with any of my setups. 230C is danger zone IMHO. I have preheated the glass then let the EQ drop down 210C, then insert a packed elbow screen. If I'm that desperate for results. Besides I'm guessing once you place the elbow screen in, the glass starts to drop in temp. So no sense in overworking the EQ. If you have a real efficient glass setup, then ideally, you can preheat say 10-20C above the desired temp. Add your elbow pack, then set your desired temp. Wait for the temp to drop to that ideal temp, then draw or hit the fan. Like I said, when all things come together.

Another thought, your dDave will heat up and keep it's heat differently then your cyclone. The cyclone will have more of a trapped heat effect and perhaps thicker glass than most 18 F/F adapters. Just some considerations when trying to hone your skills. Also the double grind method if you have a 4 pc grinder. Leaving it out to airdry for 15m seems to help. Otherwise trial and error and FC posts.

My pack method listed in this post might help. If you can draw it in while packing an elbow, then it should have good airflow. But then again YMMV.

The current glass setup I'm using works well because the warm glass and the air trapped above the elbow screen seems to help move things along.
But I'm entirely speculating. Can't argue with the results tho.

CuckFumbustion said:

260C would probably char anything with any of my setups. 230C is danger zone IMHO. I have preheated glass then let it drop down 210C, then insert a packed elbow screen.
Once you place the elbow screen in, the glass starts to drop in temp. So no sense in overworking the EQ. If you have a real efficient glass setup, then ideally, you can preheat say 10-20C above the desired temp. Add your elbow pack, then set your desired temp. Wait for the temp to drop to that ideal temp, then draw or hit the fan. Like I said, when all things come together.

Another thought, your dDave will heat up and keep it's heat differently then your cyclone. The cyclone will have more of a trapped heat effect and perhaps thicker glass than most 18 F/F adapters. Just some considerations when trying to hone your skills. Also the double grind method if you have a 4 pc grinder. Leaving it out to airdry for 15m seems to help. Otherwise trial and error and FC posts.

My pack method listed in this post might help. If you can draw it in while packing an elbow, then it should have good airflow. But then again YMMV.

The current glass setup I'm using works well because the warm glass and the air trapped above the elbow screen seems to help move things along.
But I'm entirely speculating. Can't argue with the results tho.

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exactly how I work my eq gotta heat the glass up and herb. Its something imo you cant rush or the results will below your expectations. Waiting that little extra to heat it all up is worth it especially with elbow pack and the clouds keep coming.

From my tests, 260c with an f3 preheat get's the hottest. I tested at 260c at f2 and 260c at f1 and the elbow got the hottest at f3.

With the fan off, the top of the elbow is cool to the touch even at 260c. At fan 3 the top of the elbow gets too hot to touch.

I'm thinking an f3 preheat is a good idea for any temp, then use f1 to actually blow the bags?

No. It looks like I need to preheat at f3, load the elbow then blow the bag at f3 and this gives me the denses clouds.

F1 might be good for whiips, but the bags need f3.

DogDad said:

From my tests, 260c with an f3 preheat get's the hottest. I tested at 260c at f2 and 260c at f1 and the elbow got the hottest at f3.

With the fan off, the top of the elbow is cool to the touch even at 260c. At fan 3 the top of the elbow gets too hot to touch.

I'm thinking an f3 preheat is a good idea for any temp, then use f1 to actually blow the bags?

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I always use to use fan speed 1 for bags. Never used 2 or 3 ever only to heat up all glass.

vakednotfried said:

I always use to use fan speed 1 for bags. Never used 2 or 3 ever only to heat up all glass.

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It's easy to test yourself. I just did. f3 all the way produces best for me.

When I take off the bag to hit it, the elbow cools down because the fans isn't going. It doesn't fully recover to the same heat intensity until nearly the end of the next bag and even at f3. It may never recover at f2 or f1.

If heating all of it up and keeping it all hot is the goal, I find f3 does a better job. Even at bag 3.

I'm thinking this may be another reason to use two or more bags. Heat it all up once and just keep running bags until you're elbow is spent without ever turning that fan off.

Fun to try no matter what the outcome or the way it works best for you.

DogDad said:

It's easy to test yourself. I just did. f3 all the way produces best for me.

When I take off the bag to hit it, the elbow cools down because the fans isn't going. It doesn't fully recover to the same heat intensity until nearly the end of the next bag and even at f3. It may never recover at f2 or f1.

If heating all of it up and keeping it all hot is the goal, I find f3 does a better job. Even at bag 3.

I'm thinking this may be another reason to use two or more bags. Heat it all up once and just keep running bags until you're elbow is spent without ever turning that fan off.

Fun to try no matter what the outcome or the way it works best for you.

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have you managed to get the hang of the whip yet. I got over the bags pretty quick. But that's just me. I even stoke the herb in the elbow on my last hit to make sure it has and even abv

vakednotfried said:

have you managed to get the hang of the whip yet. I got over the bags pretty quick. But that's just me. I even stoke the herb in the elbow on my last hit to make sure it has and even abv

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No, haven't mastered the whip but should be fun to experiment. My guess would be to preheat on fan 3, load bowl, wait a couple of minutes, place fan on 1 and hit the whip.

How do you do it?