Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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tharealmclovin
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Anyone else notice the V3 kiss carts with dual coils require a lot of oil as a buffer? I've put 3 giant globs in, but didn't get really good clouds until glob 3
StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Aaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggg, I broke my ac globe. Globed dual coil ac was my favorite now too. The globe helps me feather it to get almost donut level flavor.
ragnorokk
DERP
Yep. Now you're like the rest of us plebs, forced to go back to guesswork and recording your results as you go.
I've been using my KISS3 dual coil instead of the AC, since the stainless of the AC drives me crazy when it's dirty. I can relax and get clouds without having to think about ISO soaking all the time.
If you can't wait for replacement globes much longer, you could always pick up an Alpha globe at OV in the meantime. Ive certainly been tempted.
What battery are you using?
RugDrugger
Well-Known Member
Im not sure if this is the right place for this, but there seems to be a fair amount of discussion.
I recently purchased and received a KISS Alpha Centauri cartridge. The titanium double coil cart does not register at all when I screw it into the cartridge. The single coil worked for 3 days before stopping. The "donut", however, continues to work fine. I have never tried to fire the coils past 3.7v and loading was done with a syringe to insure that the coil remained untouched and intact. I was quite happy with the single coil while I had it, but it was very frustrating to have it spontaneously die right after I had loaded some concentrate into it. What would cause it to die in the middle of a session after working perfectly for 3 days?
How much life do most people get out of a KISS cart? I was expecting each one to last a manner of weeks based on the information here and my failed attempts to preserve the coils. I would've very much liked to enjoy and reccomend this product, but at this point I'll have to shelve it because I can't afford to spend $30 to ship myself two new coils just 4 days after receiving the unit. I'm also not sure if I want to invest more money in fear of receiving more faulty items... I would've felt petty complaining over 1 coil, but now I'm quite frustrated...
I recently purchased and received a KISS Alpha Centauri cartridge. The titanium double coil cart does not register at all when I screw it into the cartridge. The single coil worked for 3 days before stopping. The "donut", however, continues to work fine. I have never tried to fire the coils past 3.7v and loading was done with a syringe to insure that the coil remained untouched and intact. I was quite happy with the single coil while I had it, but it was very frustrating to have it spontaneously die right after I had loaded some concentrate into it. What would cause it to die in the middle of a session after working perfectly for 3 days?
How much life do most people get out of a KISS cart? I was expecting each one to last a manner of weeks based on the information here and my failed attempts to preserve the coils. I would've very much liked to enjoy and reccomend this product, but at this point I'll have to shelve it because I can't afford to spend $30 to ship myself two new coils just 4 days after receiving the unit. I'm also not sure if I want to invest more money in fear of receiving more faulty items... I would've felt petty complaining over 1 coil, but now I'm quite frustrated...
check for oil leaks on contacts.
tharealmclovin
Well-Known Member
I'm an 18650 aw battery. Seems fine once it has a buffer.
StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
I noticed that too, it seemed to go through it to fast at first. Though I also have a habit of doing more than I mean to when it's not layg so I didn't trust myself on that.
Also after doing 7.4 mine doesn't seem to work as well 3.7 either, but maybe I just burned it out a little. I have 2 so I think I'm going to keep one 3.7 and one 7.4 and see how that works.
That being said I still really like them, they are perfect for when you don't want layg and can't do the herc.
Fredster951
Well-Known Member
From my experience the dual coil does require a buffer and it vaporizes the oil quick. I usually get 2-3 hits of a load. But DAMN does it produce vapor at 7.4v. Monster clouds so that means faster oil consumption. The single coil is best for efficiency but still vaporizes oil quick if not careful and burn oil. The 1701 is super tasty, I use it for dab style. Load fat oil glob and take it all in one hit. Great for when I have a lot of oil and want that great fresh taste "dab". I use the 1701 with no ceramic donut. Kiss AC appealed to me because of the stealth and the solution to my kiss cart mess lol. I like how it looks like a e cig attachment. Public use with no looks. Lol
Still to this day the SR HERC series oil cart is KING.
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Roth
Pining for the Mountains
My SR-74x arrived yesterday, and I finally got a chance to experience the Hercules! 
I am having an issue though, and hope someone can help. I am getting hits that are extremely flavorful, but not very large at all. Trying to see if it's my technique or I'm doing something else wrong.
I completely disassembled and boiled all metal parts and the ceramic rod in distilled water for 10 minutes. I then reassembled everything except the Ti coil. I went into a dark closet, and dry fired the Herc until I could see the rod glowing a nice bright red. I didn't time it exactly, but it took roughly 10 seconds for me to see the glow, and 15 for it to be bright.
After that, I squashed the Ti coil to keep it tighter against the outer wall, and then put it in the Herc. I dry fired again for maybe 30 seconds off and on to make sure all the water was out of the coil. I could see the rod glow, but never really saw the coil itself glow, with maybe the exception of closest part to the rod. Not sure if that's normal or not.
Next, I loaded approximately 0.5g of some high quality live resin shatter, in maybe 4 or 5 stages. I'd add some, pulse the power to get it to slowly melt while producing minimum vapor. Every now and then I'd give it a light hit just to ensure nothing was dripping down to the lower chamber. After roughly 0.5g was loaded, I couldn't see the coil at all, and could see the tip of the rod after taking a hit. It never seemed like the coil really absorbed much of the oil. Most of it seems to be sitting near the side of the upper chamber.
Fast forward to today, and I had freshly charged AW 18350's in for the 7.4V set up. I experiment with different techniques hitting the Herc. I might hold the power for 10 seconds, then pulse it on/off 2 seconds for another 10 seconds or more. I'd get a light hit, that was very flavorful, but nothing that large. Even taking hits for just about as long as I could, never anything that large.
I never really held the power for more then 15 seconds straight (but would continue to pulse the power), I was afraid of burning my concentrate. Is this my problem? Or did I do something wrong in the assembly?
I placed the rod with as close to 2mm of white exposed as I could, even got out a ruler. I want to say it's roughly 2/3 of it exposed? Could rod placement cause poor performance, or is it a either works or doesn't sort of deal?
Sorry for such a long post, was just trying to be as detailed as I could to help with troubleshooting.
tl;dr:
-Fresh Herc, loaded with .5g
-Oil doesn't look like it absorbed into the coil very much
-Brand new AW 18350's in 7.4V config
-Whispy, but very flavorful hits
-Possible rod placement issue?
Many thanks to everyone for the help. I know once I get this dialed in, I'll be loving it
I am having an issue though, and hope someone can help. I am getting hits that are extremely flavorful, but not very large at all. Trying to see if it's my technique or I'm doing something else wrong.
I completely disassembled and boiled all metal parts and the ceramic rod in distilled water for 10 minutes. I then reassembled everything except the Ti coil. I went into a dark closet, and dry fired the Herc until I could see the rod glowing a nice bright red. I didn't time it exactly, but it took roughly 10 seconds for me to see the glow, and 15 for it to be bright.
After that, I squashed the Ti coil to keep it tighter against the outer wall, and then put it in the Herc. I dry fired again for maybe 30 seconds off and on to make sure all the water was out of the coil. I could see the rod glow, but never really saw the coil itself glow, with maybe the exception of closest part to the rod. Not sure if that's normal or not.
Next, I loaded approximately 0.5g of some high quality live resin shatter, in maybe 4 or 5 stages. I'd add some, pulse the power to get it to slowly melt while producing minimum vapor. Every now and then I'd give it a light hit just to ensure nothing was dripping down to the lower chamber. After roughly 0.5g was loaded, I couldn't see the coil at all, and could see the tip of the rod after taking a hit. It never seemed like the coil really absorbed much of the oil. Most of it seems to be sitting near the side of the upper chamber.
Fast forward to today, and I had freshly charged AW 18350's in for the 7.4V set up. I experiment with different techniques hitting the Herc. I might hold the power for 10 seconds, then pulse it on/off 2 seconds for another 10 seconds or more. I'd get a light hit, that was very flavorful, but nothing that large. Even taking hits for just about as long as I could, never anything that large.
I never really held the power for more then 15 seconds straight (but would continue to pulse the power), I was afraid of burning my concentrate. Is this my problem? Or did I do something wrong in the assembly?
I placed the rod with as close to 2mm of white exposed as I could, even got out a ruler. I want to say it's roughly 2/3 of it exposed? Could rod placement cause poor performance, or is it a either works or doesn't sort of deal?
Sorry for such a long post, was just trying to be as detailed as I could to help with troubleshooting.
tl;dr:
-Fresh Herc, loaded with .5g
-Oil doesn't look like it absorbed into the coil very much
-Brand new AW 18350's in 7.4V config
-Whispy, but very flavorful hits
-Possible rod placement issue?
Many thanks to everyone for the help. I know once I get this dialed in, I'll be loving it
FeelingFactory
Well-Known Member
I picked up a 74x in April and have been having a similar experience. I recently read you suggest to someone else that some concentrates require more heat than others to properly melt into the coil so it doesn't just sit on top, I think that is exactly the issue (at least for me since each hit would cause the load to get darker but not melt in).
Not to second-guess you since you designed it lol, but if the rod is able to get red hot that quick, is rod placement still likely to be at fault? The reason I ask is because initially @SamuraiSam helped me out with the self-adjusting technique which eliminated red flashing on my 3.7v rod, and the 7.4 gets hot fast on the core. Meter is on the way to help with assembly testing. Thanks!
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what the issue is once it gets hot the rod moves because of expansion, and on the 74x if its placed that far inside it loses contact, thus not heating up better the next round, this was sometimes an issue with the 74 and was fixed with the 74x, that is why we changed the rod placement from the 74 to the 74x.
XeroRespect
This too shall PAX...
Is boiling the metal parts of the Herc critical or would a soak in everclear be suitable? I have disassembled but don't have distilled/RO water in hand. Can't really boil my vaporizer parts either and not make the wife suspicious as to why I am fucking with the stove.
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Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Excellent, thanks for the quick reply. However, I still am having an issue.
I took the rod out, and exposed the entire white area. However, when screwing the two halves of the heating chamber together, there was some slight resistance towards the end. Nothing much, but enough to push the rod slightly back into the upper chamber.
I took apart the bottom part, and the spring loaded retaining piece. I resat them, making sure it was as far down as possible. But I still run into the same issue. For some reason, it's sticking too high into the lower chamber, pushing the rod into the upper chamber when screwed together. I'm tightening the retaining nut just about as tight as I can with my fingers.
Any suggestions?
Can you show me a image of the rod placement on the bottom side? i want to see how far inside its pushing in.
The Coils itself require .3 just to start working, anything above that is what really starts to vaporizer. You sure you put in .5? was it measured?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I definitely put in at least 0.5g. It wasn't measured directly as it went in, but I had a brand new gram, and put at least half of that in it. As well as maybe 0.1g from a separate container. I can still see lots of it sitting above the coil. And I only used one coil, if that makes a difference.
And I can feel when the rod is being pushed in when I screw the chambers together. It's the last couple of turns. There's definitely a little bit of resistance only at the end.
I definitely put in at least 0.5g. It wasn't measured directly as it went in, but I had a brand new gram, and put at least half of that in it. As well as maybe 0.1g from a separate container. I can still see lots of it sitting above the coil. And I only used one coil, if that makes a difference.
And I can feel when the rod is being pushed in when I screw the chambers together. It's the last couple of turns. There's definitely a little bit of resistance only at the end.
ok do this.
Two experiments to track down the issue.
First one, hold the button down longer, if this fixes it then the issue really isnt an issue its more of thermodynamics and the concentrate type that requires a little more heat to get going. Some stubborn oils and waxes exist like this.
Experiment two is if the first one doesnt then do this:
remove the middle black PTFE shield, and re-position the rod, gently screw it in and when you feel resistance stop, put the stainless top cap and the mouth piece on top, try it now and see if this fixes your issue.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Holy shit, number 2 worked. I took waaaay too long of a hit, not knowing if it would work, and never really fully seeing the power of the Herc yet. Big hit, and melted a big portion of my oil down to the bottom chamber. I did as many cool down hits as I could, but I just heated it too quickly, too much to catch up I guess. But it definitely melted down into the coil this time, and I got a big hit.
So is it something with the spring loaded part then?
it can be easily fixed, can you take of the spring loaded part inside the center post and just use a clipper to snip a bit off.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I took the spring loaded contact out of the sleeve. Which side do I snip? The side the moves and touches the rod, or the stationary side that goes in the sleeve?
Can needle nose pliers cut it? Not sure if I have access to anything else besides plain scissors.
You cut the side that doesn't move and a needle nose should cut it, also nail clippers should as well.
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notoriousLrg
sTrange cLouds
I'm having the same issue with wax and shatter sitting at the top of the coil. I am firing at 7.34v, herc is at 2.3 ohm, and I got a red rod before loading the concentrates. And my rod is in the correct spot in the tongs. But I don't understand "remove the middle black PTFE shield, and re-position the rod, gently screw it in and when you feel resistance stop, put the stainless top cap and the mouth piece on top, try it now and see if this fixes your issue."
I don't have a black ptfe shield. Are you referring to the ptfe shield at the bottom of the centerpost? And leave it off, putting everything back together, and firing it up?
And when you say "reposition the rod", do you mean in the tongs? sorry all just went over my head.
he means to remove the heat sheild and position the rod with all of the white showing then screw the 2 halves back together slowly untill you feel any resistance then put the steel top cap and black mouthpeice on top and see if it works better