Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

We don't have the funds to bring all our technology to market fast enough and anything we develope China companies share with other companies as IP belongs to the people not one company.

In other words we R&D things that China shares that with other companies we can't secure our IP there and that's what she wrote.

In other words we are moving away from the Chinese bs and have stopped all R&D Past 2015. Let these so call companies here spend R&D funds. Fuck them all re packing mofos.

Reason why IRIS has been put off is because we develope and its circuit boards pop into ecigs faster then we can do anything.

Remember there are many ecig makers who get the circuit boards from one or two different manufacturers. So it's all shared.

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So you are moving R&D away from China? Back to US? What about manufacturing?? Can we expect Made in USA Hercules SR74xUSA? Lol jk but in a serious note, nothing can beat this Badass Hercules SR71. Especially when paired with a IRIS. DAMN GREAT AMERICAN thinking!!!

This Hercules SR is very efficient and pro grade. Once you master it, nothing compares. I find I use less oil with the Herc SR and get more effective hits. No cartridge comes close. Kiss series catridge are good for a few quick hits. But for session long and strong hits the SR comes out. I still use my Hercules SR71 daily. No breakdowns. Only charging batteries and cleaning the Herc once in a while. No leaks with me.

I guess my dreams of owning an iris someday aren't very likely after all >.<

Fredster951 said:

So you are moving R&D away from China? Back to US? What about manufacturing?? Can we expect Made in USA Hercules SR74xUSA? Lol jk but in a serious note, nothing can beat this Badass Hercules SR71. Especially when paired with a IRIS. DAMN GREAT AMERICAN thinking!!!

This Hercules SR is very efficient and pro grade. Once you master it, nothing compares. I find I use less oil with the Herc SR and get more effective hits. No cartridge comes close. Kiss series catridge are good for a few quick hits. But for session long and strong hits the SR comes out. I still use my Hercules SR71 daily. No breakdowns. Only charging batteries and cleaning the Herc once in a while. No leaks with me.

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We are just going in different direction. You'll see what I mean.

lonelyhero said:

I guess my dreams of owning an iris someday aren't very likely after all >.<

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I'm gonna deliver on my promise. No matter the costs associated with it.

I simply can't make a promise and not deliver.

Decided to show my W9 collection today.

Was the iris only available in chrome? I've never seen any pics with different colors

lonelyhero said:

Was the iris only available in chrome? I've never seen any pics with different colors

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I only seen it with chrome finish.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Temp control in the ecig battery is basically based on this design.

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-8-herb-vaporizer-for-the-persei.5653/

When we started developing this device we ran out of funds and came into limitations of what China can produce as they where not even interested in the herbal market.

We simply did not have the resources and funds at that time to spend on further miniaturizing the 8 so that it can fit into current versions.


At that time we didn't connect the dots on applying this technology to a cartridge and have since paid the price.

Oh well.

We won't make that mistake in the future.

You can check out our prototypes on our photobucket page.


The only reason I am talking about this is because people like to talk trash and claim things, one thing I won't allow is some other companies to take credit for work that someone else did.


And yes temp control is now becoming the standard.

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Are you sure you were on the same path with the original 8? The original 8 was supposed to be a flower vape with with different temp ranges similar to the Solo or Pinnacle Pro right? These vapes have a resistor with preset wattages pumping through them to acquire the temp desired by the manufacturer. It's a very effective way of producing flower vapes.

Temp control in the ecig world is a completely different animal. The device determines the temperature of the wire by the change in resistance when the coil is heated. Once the desired temp is acquired the chip modifies the wattage to maintain that temp. If you watch the display on my vf mini while firing, it maintains the 13 watts I have it set at until it hits the desired temp then the wattage starts walking around to maintain the desired temp. It's pretty nifty.

Not trying to bash you or anything it just seems like you try to take credit for too much. I'm pretty sure ecig manufacturers aren't posting up watching for your latest creation to steal and apply to their devices. The ecig market is much larger than the cannabis vape market so there are tons and tons of manufacturers trying to innovate the next big thing to make their money ... just as you are.

MileHighLife said:

Are you sure you were on the same path with the original 8? The original 8 was supposed to be a flower vape with with different temp ranges similar to the Solo or Pinnacle Pro right? These vapes have a resistor with preset wattages pumping through them to acquire the temp desired by the manufacturer. It's a very effective way of producing flower vapes.

Temp control in the ecig world is a completely different animal. The device determines the temperature of the wire by the change in resistance when the coil is heated. Once the desired temp is acquired the chip modifies the wattage to maintain that temp. If you watch the display on my vf mini while firing, it maintains the 13 watts I have it set at until it hits the desired temp then the wattage starts walking around to maintain the desired temp. It's pretty nifty.

Not trying to bash you or anything it just seems like you try to take credit for too much. I'm pretty sure ecig manufacturers aren't posting up watching for your latest creation to steal and apply to their devices. The ecig market is much larger than the cannabis vape market so there are tons and tons of manufacturers trying to innovate the next big thing to make their money ... just as you are.

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The original 8 was a flower vape and was modular to allow ejuice and oil cartridges to be attached, but the main issue was that our manufacturer over there could not get the two to work together because technology at that time with them was limited they had no idea what they where doing and could not understand the need for oil vapes or herbal vapes.

Here as you can see.



Here is the full picture of the 8.



We know how temp control in ecigs work.








The Iris itself was an 8 that can only be in variable voltage mode, in fact automatic voltage adjustment prototypes had been produced but at that time they where not stable and could not go into manufacturing. Our funds ran out and we dug ourselves further into debt.

I remember standing in the board room of one of the biggest ecig manufacturers today back in 2011 and talking about how the oil and mod industry will draw sales away from ecig and they should concentrate on oil and herbal market, i was laughed out of that board room like they knew what they where doing.

So yes we did inspire a whole industry in china and here.


How many herbal vapes use a center post ceramic heater like the hercules?

How many people claiming titanium grade 2 heating wires now?

How many people using our ceramic heaters in their current vaporizers that look like this?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta..._623832144.html?spm=a2700.7724838.35.1.Lcyr1Y

This was a 7.4v heater that was designed specifically for the Persei because at that time they couldnt and didnt have variable voltage other then 7.4v which the Iris was the only one on the market.

That heater in that link was used in this cartridge, which was called the Universe.





These images where all posted around june 2012 long before any of the portable herbal vaporizers came out of china.

So yes when we claim we did the R&D and its all based on our IP we have proof.



Everyone talks like they know something but when shown proof they just walk away and not even acknowledge they are wrong. Case in point past two days with the ceramic donut.


And next week when i get the prototype 8 out, ill show you whats in side and you will see for your self where the Universe first gen and ceramic donuts came from and see how far we went with temp control on a donut.




On a side note we got so many people asking for the 7-10 sale to be extended and it is, till Monday 11:59pm

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

The original 8 was a flower vape and was modular to allow ejuice and oil cartridges to be attached, but the main issue was that our manufacturer over there could not get the two to work together because technology at that time with them was limited they had no idea what they where doing and could not understand the need for oil vapes or herbal vapes.

Here as you can see.



Here is the full picture of the 8.



We know how temp control in ecigs work.








The Iris itself was an 8 that can only be in variable voltage mode, in fact automatic voltage adjustment prototypes had been produced but at that time they where not stable and could not go into manufacturing. Our funds ran out and we dug ourselves further into debt.

I remember standing in the board room of one of the biggest ecig manufacturers today back in 2011 and talking about how the oil and mod industry will draw sales away from ecig and they should concentrate on oil and herbal market, i was laughed out of that board room like they knew what they where doing.

So yes we did inspire a whole industry in china and here.


How many herbal vapes use a center post ceramic heater like the hercules?

How many people claiming titanium grade 2 heating wires now?

How many people using our ceramic heaters in their current vaporizers that look like this?

http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta..._623832144.html?spm=a2700.7724838.35.1.Lcyr1Y

This was a 7.4v heater that was designed specifically for the Persei because at that time they couldnt and didnt have variable voltage other then 7.4v which the Iris was the only one on the market.

That heater in that link was used in this cartridge, which was called the Universe.





These images where all posted around june 2012 long before any of the portable herbal vaporizers came out of china.

So yes when we claim we did the R&D and its all based on our IP we have proof.



Everyone talks like they know something but when shown proof they just walk away and not even acknowledge they are wrong. Case in point past two days with the ceramic donut.


And next week when i get the prototype 8 out, ill show you whats in side and you will see for your self where the Universe first gen and ceramic donuts came from and see how far we went with temp control on a donut.

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I'm not saying that you don't come up with some good ideas (although they could use some refining before they hit the market sometimes). Just saying that you stating that temp control in the ecig market is based on your r&d is pretty far fetched. A device that has preset control over temperature by changing the wattage delivered to a resistor with a predetermined resistance is old, old, old school tech. And I'd love to see the proof you are talking about because a bunch of pictures of unreleased carts doesn't really prove your point.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Everyone talks like they know something but when shown proof they just walk away and not even acknowledge they are wrong. Case in point past two days with the ceramic donut.

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Fat Daddy vapes came out with the ceramic "vapin donuts". Only then were you able make the 1701 and that was after another manufacturer already had a similar cart on the market.

And btw ... gr 2 ti wire is a thing of the past. It's all about the gr 1 these days lol. Really. The only reason ti nails are made out of gr 2 is because its less malleable than gr 1 so it wont dent, bend or break as easily but it has more impurities than gr 1. Gr 1 is titanium in it's purest form and the increased malleability makes it easier to wrap a coil. Spider Silk ftw

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

These images where all posted around june 2012 long before any of the portable herbal vaporizers came out of china.

So yes when we claim we did the R&D and its all based on our IP we have proof.

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I'm confused now ... what were you trying to prove? Ecig temp control? VaporBlunt is produced in China and the og VaporBlunts were released in 2011 as was the Arizer Solo from Canada. However these devices use totally different technology as I've already stated.

I'm not trying to start anything ... in fact I'm eager to see what you came up with on the new prototype 8. I just think you laying claim to everything in the industry is kind of ridiculous.

@MileHighLife

temp control on ecig market is based on our designs yes. Ecig manufacturers when we started didnt know the herbal market existed in China yes they did not know, for them electronic cigarettes was it. When we started developing the predecessor to the Iris it was the first Temp control unit on top of a electronic cigarette battery. None existed till then.

I dont think you fully grasp the idea. Electronic cigarettes get their electronics from a few suppliers, its not like it is here where we have hundreds of manufacturers. When you develop a electronic part for a ecig battery in china these manufacturers supply the plans and designs to other guys who have more cash and can order in far greater quantity then we can.

Vapor Blunt didnt come into the market Till end of 2012 early 2013, the 8 was long before that. The 8 featured a adjustable temp control i think was 5 degree's.

Fat Daddy vapes. Yes i know the name. I remember @thevaf coming to my store showing the new donuts that fat daddy started selling, and i quickly showed him the original universe cartridge, he walked out knowing we are light years ahead of the current market. He can testify to this i promise that.


Fat daddies earliest posts for ceramic donuts dont come before our research and development i promise you that. You can search all you want you wont see a post prior to ours.

As for Ti Grade 1 vs Ti Gr2 that is your opinion. We choose grade 2 because it is stronger.

As for laying claim you might think its crazy but its true. Im not gonna let anyone here or any other company downplay the role me and my employees made to this indsutry. Simple as that.


You have no idea what we do and how we go about doing it. See when we started doing variable voltage i remember talking this guy named Chen who supplied the new variable voltage units for smoketek and a bunch of other companies, not sure if you know this but back then there was an issue with correct voltage not being displayed on the lcd boards. Now this was because once again our engineer here that was fixed.

We approached Chen and asked him to show us his pcb boards so that we can test it out and see if we can modify it to our use.

Well once we got a hold of it here in the US we asked them why do we see a glow on the coils when we run a simple 2 ohm cartridge but when we use a industrial power supply we dont.

We asked him what was the issue. You know what he said? my industrial power supply was crap and he knew what he was doing.

A week later talked and we showed him how to correctly test their units. Case in point this video. We made a few months later.



These guys did not test their units at all correctly and that is why you had an issue in the ecig community where coils where running hotter then what was shown on the lcd screen.


You know what they say the first one out the gate gets slaughtered. So enjoy the fruits of our labor.


Just for shits and giggles @SameOldTim will probably chime in on this one as well.

He introduced the dart march 31st 2012

As we where working on this. Pictures uploaded on April of 2012 just for the sake of record keeping.




We dropped that project soon after. Why because we dont copy anyone and they did not copy our design they just had the same idea and beat us to the market with it. Our design was a two slot unit that worked differently then the dart, but similarities in designs kept me from going forward with it.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Vapor Blunt didnt come into the market Till end of 2012 early 2013, the 8 was long before that. The 8 featured a adjustable temp control i think was 5 degree's.

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On the market and selling in 2011. Here's a link to the thread.

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

temp control on ecig market is based on our designs yes. Ecig manufacturers when we started didnt know the herbal market existed in China yes they did not know, for them electronic cigarettes was it. When we started developing the predecessor to the Iris it was the first Temp control unit on top of a electronic cigarette battery. None existed till then.

I dont think you fully grasp the idea. Electronic cigarettes get their electronics from a few suppliers, its not like it is here where we have hundreds of manufacturers. When you develop a electronic part for a ecig battery in china these manufacturers supply the plans and designs to other guys who have more cash and can order in far greater quantity then we can.

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The original temp control chip is the DNA 40 by Evolv and it was engineered and produced here in the US. Sorry to say it but I don't think you fully grasp the idea. The new break through innovations pretty much all come from companies here in America then the Chinese companies clone them and sell them for super cheap. I don't think Evolv was spying on you or anything and they surely aren't in cahoots with Chinese manufacturers.
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This guy had a variable voltage ecig mod in 2010. Looks like he uses 2 18350s in there ... 7.4 volts?
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W9tech truly does have great products but let's end it there. All ideas are inspired from somewhere. Hell when I first modded my first hakko soldering iron even I thought about how great it would be to encase the ceramic rod somehow and make it portable. So should hakko take credit for the Hercules. Give credit for evolv for putting in the time and work in engineering a chip that can do temperature control. If you are in the industry, you should affect and inspire it. But doesn't mean you should take credit. To say you inspired the industry isn't far fetched. Any new design, idea, or product can do that. But to say your R&D is responsible for temp Control is a bit off putting. I still think you come out with great products though. Just be humble about it and move on from this topic.

Yikes.

@MileHighLife not arguing about variable voltage being available via potentiometer prior to us, in fact that was the only thing available back then. The Iris brought 7.4v on o pcb platform and made it easier to adjust the voltages without using any screw drivers. Two different R&D where potentiometers have existed for about 100 years now, but a circuit board based VV device that did 7.4v was not heard of back then and did not exist.

as for the DNA mod, proof is in the text, they developed long before we did, weather it was developed here or there doesnt matter as we cant verify why their inspiration was.

My only statement is what i know is true. Is what we developed and what we brought out to the market long before anyone of these ecig guys.

As for Vapor blunt having a ceramic heater please double check that because from what it looks like they are using is the same design thats in the vapir no2.


@Steven to give them credit for what they did sure i dont care, but to say we should not take credit for the temp control unit we developed long before DNA was even out there is total bs. Now they did or did not isnt the issue. We where the first and thats our idea.

I take credit where its ours, i give where its theres.

I dont take credit for using a ceramic core in a ejuice because that belongs to TET, not sure if they where the first to use it but that was theres, hell i didnt even know about TET before they joined here.

Using ceramics to do any type of heating on a battery powered unit is our idea we came out with it, we did the R&D we paid for it and now china is using that technology.

Temp control on a ecig battery case in point the 8, long before anyone every thought about it.

Hercules has been copied so many times its becoming crazy.

Okeanos? well lets not get into that one.

Quad Coils? how about that one we did quad coils back in 2012 for the ejuice market, yet even the batteries at that time was not strong enough to power it.

Nibbler

Nibbler Bubbler

The Core, sure VV plugs existed but it was preset 5 settings only.

EO cart that put us on the map,

Our THC - Ejuice formula we released.

Iris

Titanium Grade 2

Black Ceramic wicks

Ceramic donut

Herbal Ceramic heaters



What we do is real work and ideas we put forward, we have people who repackage them and get all the credit because people not knowing. We pushed the envelope and what we get for it?

People talking trash to us because we wont back down.

I rather sleep at night knowing i didnt copy anyone and hold true to my principals.

First concentrates vaporizer was created by Chineses several thousands years ago to vaporize opium....just for info

PPN said:

First concentrates vaporizer was created by Chineses several thousands years ago to vaporize opium....just for info

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Not contesting this since i did not read up on that one, but they also lay claim to spaghetti, and sushi.

Just a joke my friend, I enjoy my Hercule as hell!

PPN said:

Just a joke my friend, I enjoy my Hercule as hell!

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Oh I know I mean my statement as a joke as well.

Embur also made a ceramic heatwand similar to the Hammer that was battery powered in 2011. I don't know who came out with it first. I'm not trying to argue or discredit any of w9tech's work. I'm just saying, and even scientific said it, that sometimes people think of the same ideas oblivious to the fact that someone else is thinking the same thing (TET). Unless there is proof of stolen blueprints or experimental data I have to credit evolv for rolling out a temp Control chip first. You may or may not have had the idea of temp Control first but evolv beat you to the punch in finalizing it. But so what. That doesn't diminish your company in my eyes at all. Just means somebody else with the same idea has more resources. This sort of thing happens all the time in all industries. A company comes up with an idea and it's a race among competitors to introduce that product to the market before anyone else.

Steven said:

Embur also made a ceramic heatwand similar to the Hammer that was battery powered in 2011. I don't know who came out with it first. I'm not trying to argue or discredit any of w9tech's work. I'm just saying, and even scientific said it, that sometimes people think of the same ideas oblivious to the fact that someone else is thinking the same thing (TET). Unless there is proof of stolen blueprints or experimental data I have to credit evolv for rolling out a temp Control chip first. You may or may not have had the idea of temp Control first but evolv beat you to the punch in finalizing it. But so what. That doesn't diminish your company in my eyes at all. Just means somebody else with the same idea has more resources. This sort of thing happens all the time in all industries. A company comes up with an idea and it's a race among competitors to introduce that product to the market before anyone else.

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Not saying evolve didn't come out with the temp chip in its current form, what I'm saying is we came out with it first, just like a car. Where the first one almost 115 years old only has the same concept but totally different then what's out now, but to fair every car manufacturer admits it was not their idea when it's proven someone else came up with it. For us we have to teach everyone hey the idea and prototype existed before to ecig community started doing it.

What people don't understand about the Hercules requiring a cool down period is total ignorance. They don't understand that we did this intentionally, why? Think about it, your oil sitting there in a hot cartridge. Right next to the heater.

Take a dab a relax guys

THC SCIENTIFIC said:

Not saying evolve didn't come out with the temp chip in its current form, what I'm saying is we came out with it first, just like a car. Where the first one almost 115 years old only has the same concept but totally different then what's out now, but to fair every car manufacturer admits it was not their idea when it's proven someone else came up with it. For us we have to teach everyone hey the idea and prototype existed before to ecig community started doing it.

What people don't understand about the Hercules requiring a cool down period is total ignorance. They don't understand that we did this intentionally, why? Think about it, your oil sitting there in a hot cartridge. Right next to the heater.

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Please take this constructively. I'm trying to say this the nicest way possible. I understand why the Hercules needs cool down hits. It all makes sense per that design. And i think the Hercules is awesome and the only one of its kind as long as you know how to use it. With that being said I just wish there is a different design of the Hercules where cool down hits are not necessary. This would mean a design overhaul. I love everything about the Hercules except the need for cool down hits. Sometimes I need to take a hit and just leave and don't have time for cool down hits. Also it would better the smoking experience if im not required to do anything further after blowing out my smoke. It's a valid drawback in using the Hercules. It's by far the best atomizer that holds a large amount. But there's definitely room for improvement. It's a tall order to ask and I'm not even sure if it's possible to make it without cool down hits. Somehow have the larger pool of oil flow into the heating chamber as it heats. Maybe find a way to manufacture little elfs with wheel barrels.

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Please take this constructively. I'm trying to say this the nicest way possible. I understand why the Hercules needs cool down hits. It all makes sense per that design. And i think the Hercules is awesome and the only one of its kind as long as you know how to use it. With that being said I just wish there is a different design of the Hercules where cool down hits are not necessary. This would mean a design overhaul. I love everything about the Hercules except the need for cool down hits. Sometimes I need to take a hit and just leave and don't have time for cool down hits. Also it would better the smoking experience if im not required to do anything further after blowing out my smoke. It's a valid drawback in using the Hercules. It's by far the best atomizer that holds a large amount. But there's definitely room for improvement. It's a tall order to ask and I'm not even sure if it's possible to make it without cool down hits. Somehow have the larger pool of oil flow into the heating chamber as it heats. Maybe find a way to manufacture little elfs with wheel barrels.

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Kinda reminds me of EO carts. Where there is a secondary heater to feed the main vapor coil. I find that usually 2-3 hits don't require huge cool down draws. The main advantage to minimize cool down is to only heat the oil enough to take a hit and then cooldown 5-10 seconds after u release the power button. Has to do a lot with draw technique too.

Steven said:

Please take this constructively. I'm trying to say this the nicest way possible. I understand why the Hercules needs cool down hits. It all makes sense per that design. And i think the Hercules is awesome and the only one of its kind as long as you know how to use it. With that being said I just wish there is a different design of the Hercules where cool down hits are not necessary. This would mean a design overhaul. I love everything about the Hercules except the need for cool down hits. Sometimes I need to take a hit and just leave and don't have time for cool down hits. Also it would better the smoking experience if im not required to do anything further after blowing out my smoke. It's a valid drawback in using the Hercules. It's by far the best atomizer that holds a large amount. But there's definitely room for improvement. It's a tall order to ask and I'm not even sure if it's possible to make it without cool down hits. Somehow have the larger pool of oil flow into the heating chamber as it heats. Maybe find a way to manufacture little elfs with wheel barrels.

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Not saying it's not a drawback, when we introduced it we let people know what it can do and what it was designed to do. A no compromise cartridge. Meaning if you value taste over anything else then you really want a Hercules. It was made to drop its load ( sounds weird ) when someone forgot to cool it down, it was made so that you can totally clean it.

What people want after the Hercules was a smaller version and we gave that to them in the 1701 format, where its 100% rebuildable, unlike its non rebuildable counterparts there is no way for oil build up over time.

Ever seen a unimizer after a few weeks use? There is a nasty build up and there is no way for you to remove that, and you using that oil over and over again,


As for the Hercules not needing cool down hits @DieHard has the prototype top section that requires none at all but like I mentioned taste is issue in our in house testing after a few loads.

Fredster951 said:

Kinda reminds me of EO carts. Where there is a secondary heater to feed the main vapor coil. I find that usually 2-3 hits don't require huge cool down draws. The main advantage to minimize cool down is to only heat the oil enough to take a hit and then cooldown 5-10 seconds after u release the power button. Has to do a lot with draw technique too.

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Yea I agree. I tried that technique too but I have very high tolerance and mighty lungs and only find joy in big hits. My hits are very long and it's unavoidable to heat the oil up with even 1 hit. Especially now that I'm using it with a temp Control mod. I just press and ride the button. I love the Hercules but so many quirks. Ultimately I want a Hercules with no cool down hits and no techniques required. Please don't see this as bashing. I mastered my Hercules sr74x and have no reclaim ever. Nothing is perfect