Discontinued The Grasshopper
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Kalessin
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I'm not worried about it being awkward looking, I just wonder if it will eventually deform after being removed and start to not fit properly...It was said it is removable but it looks awkward bc it leaves like a gap, if that makes sense... found a pic
from: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-grasshopper.9952/page-198
YaFreekin Right
Well-Known Member
The vapor path is essential the same with the Ti & SS. Any vapor flavor & temp differences are likely psychological. People should be buying the Ti if they want a lighter unit.
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Mr. Me2
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Removing the clip will also let the gh roll off the table.
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Have you tried the two? I have, and the flavor is noticeably different and I explained why. I own I perhaps should have said different instead of better but in any case because the Ti and S have different thermal properties they warm up an cool down at different rates, thus spend different lengths of time at the intermediary temperatures on the way up AND down as well stay closer to the original "set" temperature during a draw.
Yes, these differences are in micro seconds which, particularly in the first hit when all the terpenes etc. are there and then again more pronounced further into the series of hits when in the more efficient Ti MORE terpenes have already been boiled off than in the SS as it is less efficient.
The Firefly's "flavor surfing" or whatever they call it is the same principle. Differnet terpenes vape at different temperatures, you get ALL the terps that vape at that and any lower temp but none that vape at a higher temp.
So here are the taste differences with the following caveats:
1. I am not a scientist
2. I am not a somlier, I'm not even sure that's how you spell it, I do hang out with Jake Brown, the cannabis critic for the Denver Post and oddly enough his review of Agent Orange is how my Zonk name (http://www.marijuana.com/community/threads/zonk-the-ultimate-stoner-game.186087/) become Agent Orange Peel and yes he has told me how to be a pot critic but no I'm not certified
3. I'm just simple country lobbyist.
And a shout out to all the GH non-believers I was at GH labs at the time so probably they drugged me amirite?
Both have amazing flavor like you'd except of a pure convection device 5 seconds after you turn it on, the SS keeps flavor longer over more hits and the Ti has richer, more complex flavor but over fewer hits because it vapes faster.
I'll make this analogy, if you drink Budweiser, you can't tell the difference between one IPA or another, if you drink only IPA you know that some are worse than Budweiser, most are better and your favorite is best.
If you're an "IPA Drinker" then you WILL notice and APPRECIATE the flavor as well as other differences between the two and if you're so inclined get the Ti because you "drink IPA" you have th extra 35 bucks.
Which brings me to my final point, after you spend the extra $35 you still haven't bought a pax2 yet and I assure you you will notice the difference between a pax2 and either GH
@zymos I said th one I tried was PP also just like @BuzzDanklin was, I even said it didn't have a serial number. I'll let buzz answer your "question" about his impression since I'm sure you also want attention from him and I'm sure he missed you as much as I did.
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Mr. Me2
Well-Known Member
I now blame you for making me want a ti AND ss!Have you tried the two? I have, and the flavor is noticeably different and I explained why. I own I perhaps should have said different instead of better but in any case because the Ti and S have different thermal properties they warm up an cool down at different rates, thus spend different lengths of time at the intermediary temperatures on the way up AND down as well stay closer to the original "set" temperature during a draw.
Yes, these differences are in micro seconds which, particularly in the first hit when all the terpenes etc. are there and then again more pronounced further into the series of hits when in the more efficient Ti MORE terpenes have already been boiled off than in the SS as it is less efficient.
The Firefly's "flavor surfing" or whatever they call it is the same principle. Differnet terpenes vape at different temperatures, you get ALL the terps that vape at that and any lower temp but none that vape at a higher temp.
So here are the taste differences with the following caveats:
1. I am not a scientist
2. I am not a somlier, I'm not even sure that's how you spell it, I do hang out with Jake Brown, the cannabis critic for the Denver Post and oddly enough his review of Agent Orange is how my Zonk name (http://www.marijuana.com/community/threads/zonk-the-ultimate-stoner-game.186087/) become Agent Orange Peel and yes he has told me how to be a pot critic but no I'm not certified
3. I'm just simple country lobbyist.
And a shout out to all the GH non-believers I was at GH labs at the time so probably they drugged me amirite?
Both have amazing flavor like you'd except of a pure convection device 5 seconds after you turn it on, the SS keeps flavor longer over more hits and the Ti has richer, more complex flavor but over fewer hits because it vapes faster.
I'll make this analogy, if you drink Budweiser, you can't tell the difference between one IPA or another, if you drink only IPA you know that some are worse than Budweiser, most are better and your favorite is best.
If you're an "IPA Drinker" then you WILL notice and APPRECIATE the flavor as well as other differences between the two and if you're so inclined get the Ti because you "drink IPA" you have th extra 35 bucks.
Which brings me to my final point, after you spend the extra $35 you still haven't bought a pax2 yet and I assure you you will notice the difference between a pax2 and either GH
@zymos I said th one I tried was PP also just like @BuzzDanklin was, I even said it didn't have a serial number. I'll let buzz answer your "question" about his impression since I'm sure you also want attention from him and I'm sure he missed you as much as I did.
Everyone should buy 2 gh's and do their own taste test comparison
YaFreekin Right
Well-Known Member
Have you tried the two? I have, and the flavor is noticeably different and I explained why. I own I perhaps should have said different instead of better but in any case because the Ti and S have different thermal properties they warm up an cool down at different rates, thus spend different lengths of time at the intermediary temperatures on the way up AND down as well stay closer to the original "set" temperature during a draw.
Yes, these differences are in micro seconds which, particularly in the first hit when all the terpenes etc. are there and then again more pronounced further into the series of hits when in the more efficient Ti MORE terpenes have already been boiled off than in the SS as it is less efficient.
The Firefly's "flavor surfing" or whatever they call it is the same principle. Differnet terpenes vape at different temperatures, you get ALL the terps that vape at that and any lower temp but none that vape at a higher temp.
So here are the taste differences with the following caveats:
1. I am not a scientist
2. I am not a somlier, I'm not even sure that's how you spell it, I do hang out with Jake Brown, the cannabis critic for the Denver Post and oddly enough his review of Agent Orange is how my Zonk name (http://www.marijuana.com/community/threads/zonk-the-ultimate-stoner-game.186087/) become Agent Orange Peel and yes he has told me how to be a pot critic but no I'm not certified
3. I'm just simple country lobbyist.
And a shout out to all the GH non-believers I was at GH labs at the time so probably the drugged me amirite?
Both have amazing flavor like you'd except of a pure convection device 5 seconds after you turn it on, the SS keeps flavor longer over more hits and the Ti has richer, more complex flavor but over fewer hits because it vapes faster.
I'll make this analogy, if you drink Budweiser, you can't tell the difference between one IPA or another, if you drink only IPA you know that some are worse than Budweiser, most are better and your favorite is best.
If you're an "IPA Drinker" then you WILL notice and APPRECIATE the flavor as well as other differences between the two and if you're so inclined get the Ti because you "drink IPA" you have th extra 35 bucks.
Which brings me to my final point, after you spend the extra $35 you still haven't bought a pax2 yet and I assure you you will notice the difference between a pax2 and either GH
No, just like most I'm waiting for my GH.
Even if I had tested both, due to negligible differences in the vapor path there won't be a difference. The chamber is wrapped in some type of insulator, which tries to keep the chamber at a consistent temperature. Around this insulator there is the SS chamber, then an air gap, then the threaded mouthpiece(which is SS or Ti depending on the model). The overall thermal conductivity of the SS & Ti will be very close because the insulator will be the dominant factor.[My description of the GH heating chamber is based on what I can see from info gathered online, as I have not see the GH in person]
There will definitely be differences on how the unit overall dissipates heat, but the vapor path are too similar for there to be tangible differences.
Without GH providing the thermal properties of all the materials used, an exact analysis cannot be made.
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You're making the assumption that the insulation wrapped around the oven insulates near 100% of the heat. That simply isn't the case. Insulation will slow the transfer of heat, not stop it all together.
Look at the emissitivty of Stainless steel verses titanium. There's clearly a difference in the thermal properties of the two materials. Given the small size of this vaporizer, it's very likely that the two materials could have an impact on the performance of the vaporizer, especially after the first two or three puffs. (IE, in a session setting I think the differences would be more noticeable).
Do I know which will ultimately be better? No, but I think this would be perfect content for a user poll thread once (if
) we all get our GH
slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
So you're clearly right, I definitely DID NOT observe the very thing I TOTALLY OBSERVED.
You don't have to believe anything I say, I'm a lobbyist and before that a used carsalesman so except for that I actually tried the two, made sure I used the the same bud ground up divided equally between the two tried them both, with the inventors of the device and asked if the thing I was TOTALLY NOTICING was a thing and sure enough as they say on their own website on the second sentence about the "unique thermal properties of titanium" it is TOTALLY A THING, I clearly have no credibility whatsoever.
So let's just agree that you don't believe me and leave it there.
For those who are interested in my snake oil/monorail/grasshopper/alchemy, the SS retains flavor longer for more hits because it's less efficient yet somehow due to science I must not understand the rate at which terpenes are extracted should have ZERO impact on flavor, that's why all vapes taste exactly the same from the first hit to the last, particularly conduction ones
Like I said, connosieurs will DEFINTLEY notice the difference but I even think novices would notice on the first hit and again later on because the Ti strips the terpenes faster, being more efficient.
As @Ratchett just said, the difference is more pronounced at the end like for example all the flavor is really gone from the Ti but you still get hits while the SS still has more flavor. For me since I prefer using it with small amounts I prefer the fuller spectrum taste of the Ti even though it means fewer hits per pack. If you want more flavor hits per pack and eithe care less or don't really have the nose for flavor you might prefer the SS (OMG DID HE JUST SAY THE SS IS BETTER AT SOMETHING???) Yes for the nth time just like I did in the original post. The reason I keep responding to people being haters for no reason (and I don't blame the others who have GH's for staying out of it) is because a. I'm a lobbyist in the summer so I'm kinda bored b. nothing gets a lobbyist rocks of by allowing the opposition to dig a hole only so I can say I told you so because c. I really believe in this product and this company and I know you all will too,and you haters are gonna feel awful silly .... or vindicated right so what does it matter, let us chumps have our fun with our 5 second start up time dope alchemy machine like the bunch of suckers we are and you keep using "quality" products like the pax2 or the firefly (no offense to those devices which I own and love and are actually quality for what they are and now almost never use because while they have strengths the GH is just better for me and how i use cannabis which is all day errday)
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thermal conductivity
Titanium, pure 15.6-19.0-21.9-22.5
Titanium Alloy 5.8
Stainless Steel 14-17
Boro Glass 1.14
Don't know what exact metal they are using.
Sorta related, an article about metals and perception when it comes to food: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ery-makes-food-tastes-bad-expert-reveals.html
The part I found interesting is the color of a plastic fork could change a person's perception. Which colored GH will taste best? (i am kidding...sorta)
Titanium, pure 15.6-19.0-21.9-22.5
Titanium Alloy 5.8
Stainless Steel 14-17
Boro Glass 1.14
Don't know what exact metal they are using.
Sorta related, an article about metals and perception when it comes to food: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ery-makes-food-tastes-bad-expert-reveals.html
The part I found interesting is the color of a plastic fork could change a person's perception. Which colored GH will taste best? (i am kidding...sorta)
zymos
Well-Known Member
Dude, all I'm saying is you are the one who decided to put words in Buzz's mouth as some sort of proof of...something...?
Taste is a subjective opinion, and no one can tell you your opinion is wrong, but I can tell you that in the article you linked to, Buzz does not seem to share your opinion, in fact the only mention of flavor is where he says the Crafty tastes better then the GH.
So far, thousands of words boil down to : one person thinks a preproduction Ti tastes better than SS.
An interesting data point, but hardly earth shaking....
Taste is a subjective opinion, and no one can tell you your opinion is wrong, but I can tell you that in the article you linked to, Buzz does not seem to share your opinion, in fact the only mention of flavor is where he says the Crafty tastes better then the GH.
So far, thousands of words boil down to : one person thinks a preproduction Ti tastes better than SS.
An interesting data point, but hardly earth shaking....
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
I thought the internal components are the same with either the Ti or SS Body. If the SS outer "body" heats up enough to effect the vapor temp or taste seems to me you wouldn't be able to hold it in your naked hands never mind placing it up to your lips to take a hit.
zymos
Well-Known Member
Maybe an uncertified pot critic with a connoisseur's palate can still tell the difference?
Like I've brought up a few times, any two preproduction units could well have noticable differences, that have nothing to do with the metal, because of tweaks to the components or programming.
Like I've brought up a few times, any two preproduction units could well have noticable differences, that have nothing to do with the metal, because of tweaks to the components or programming.
YaFreekin Right
Well-Known Member
You're making the assumption that the insulation wrapped around the oven insulates near 100% of the heat. That simply isn't the case. Insulation will slow the transfer of heat, not stop it all together.
Look at the emissitivty of Stainless steel verses titanium. There's clearly a difference in the thermal properties of the two materials. Given the small size of this vaporizer, it's very likely that the two materials could have an impact on the performance of the vaporizer, especially after the first two or three puffs. (IE, in a session setting I think the differences would be more noticeable).
Do I know which will ultimately be better? No, but I think this would be perfect content for a user poll thread once (if
I actually said that the insulation is the dominant factor in the overall thermal conductivity. Nothing about the insulation stopping heat transfer.
Emissivity is related to radiant heat transfer. Till the vaporizer gets really hot, radiant heat transfer will not be a significant factor. As you stated, no impact especially till the unit warms up.
So you're clearly right, I definitely DID NOT observe the very thing I TOTALLY OBSERVED.
You don't have to believe anything I say, I'm a lobbyist and before that a used carsalesman so except for that I actually tried the two, made sure I used the the same bud ground up divided equally between the two tried them both, with the inventors of the device and asked if the thing I was TOTALLY NOTICING was a thing and sure enough as they say on their own website on the second sentence about the "unique thermal properties of titanium" it is TOTALLY A THING, I clearly have no credibility whatsoever.
So let's just agree that you don't believe me and leave it there.
For those who are interested in my snake oil/monorail/grasshopper/alchemy, the SS retains flavor longer for more hits because it's less efficient yet somehow due to science I must not understand the rate at which terpenes are extracted should have ZERO impact on flavor, that's why all vapes taste exactly the same from the first hit to the last, particularly conduction ones
Like I said, connosieurs will DEFINTLEY notice the difference but I even think novices would notice on the first hit and again later on because the Ti strips the terpenes faster, being more efficient.
Subjectivity...
I'm explaining the science of why there won't be a difference.
Awesome, thanks for that. I was just starting to waste time researching this info as well.
Heat transfer is related to thermal conductivity and thickness of materials( when comparing two geometrically identical shapes).
Here is a very poor estimate.
Assumptions:
Insulation 4x thick as metal chambers & mouthpiece wall.
Negligable air gap
Insulation has therm conductivity of glass
R=L/kA = L/k (I'm making assumption all areas are equal which isnt correct but simplifies analysis and the same assumption is happening on both SS and Ti)
R= Thermal resistance
L= Thickness
k = thermal conductivity
A= Area
Q=(deltaT)/R
R(total) = R(insul)+R(ssChamber)+R(mouthpiece)
R(tot) = L/k+L/k+L/k
Stainless:
SS k~=15.5
Ins k~=1.14
R=4/1.14+1/15.5+1/15.5 = 3.64
Titanium
Ti k~= 19(took avg)
R = 4/1.14+1/15.5+1/19 = 3.63
or as alloy
k~=5.8
R = 4/1.14+1/15.5+1/5.8 = 3.75
Didn't quite expect this epic post, but the point is the outer Ti shell makes very little difference.
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slcbdco
Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
EDIT: @YaFreekin Right I just observed your post speaking of observation. I've subsequently gone on said GHIM so I decided to reply here cus narrative be damned! What you have to remember of course is that is not cooking in an oven its hot air forced over the heating element then pulled into the chamber. Flavor is subjective and in my EXPERIENCE with TWO REAL LIVE GRASSHOPPERS and then asking the INVENTORS of the device if the difference I was noticing was real not because of they suggested it, but because I HAPPENED TO NOTICE THIS VERY NOTICEABLE thing and then they proceed to explain to me why I WAS TOTALLY EXPERIENCING IT, or ya freekin right and they drugged me. Again don't want to argue it because I don't care if you believe me or not. You're not going to get me to say I didn't experience the thing that I ABSOLUTELY experienced but we can still be friends. When I get both hoppers you can even try it for yourself, I find the in person told ya so much more rewarding.
For what its worth I happen to lobby for the marijuana industry and when I worked for Congress I did work the leader on cannabis reform Jared Polis, I was his marijuana staffer, and yeah i've done all sorts of cool things NONE of which make me anything more than a guy with a GH in my hand so if you want to know what its like to use a GH. For the time yeah I would call myself an expert.
With respect to lobbyist, Clarinetists, used car salesman and pyrotechnicians, the only professions I have the direct experience in, you should neither distrust not trust anyone wholesale but rather find a skilled professional who you do trust. IF you do not find a lobbyist, clarinetist, used car salesman or pyrotech that trust you can simply not change a law, hear a sonata, by a car or see a fireworks show, or you can do it anyway with one you don't trust, but its better to find one of the abundant ones you can trust.
As for a guy with a GH you might be stuck with me, seems @midgetsanchez @Just Justin and the others are off lost on some GH inspired misadventure .... good for them, I think I'll join them
mod note: Edited to remove response to off-topic discussion
Meanwhile, back on TOPIC: A few more days in with the GH I have changed my practice slightly still in the following ways:
Whoever said temp 5 is really just for the concentrate attachment when it is built, I totally agree, haven't used it on temp 5 since and don't miss it except like said if my ABV gets stuck that temp and 2 quick rips (probably one is enough) de-gunks the oils that cooled down and the ABV falls right out
Because its so ahem ... efficient (gets you real high) I find I vape a fewer amount of times during the day which I didn't expect to like. I liken it to the Apple Watch, the watch isn't about bring alerts etc to the foreground its about pushing them to the background, similarly, I already regret saying this because I know someone is looking for me to say something bad about the GH but keep looking interpret my words how you like, what I mean is the following: The GH puts getting high into the background.
Its not to say it isn't fun to use, its a pleasure, and more pleasurable than my firefly or pax2 it IS to say its nice to not be futzing around with a vape all day to maintain. And I don't mean that its so easy to click on, hit it and put it away, it is that easy but thats not the point. The point is that you do that and you won't think about it again for an hour. Don't know about you but if I take a bong rip, hit a bowl, use my firefly, pax2 etc, doesn't matter, because a. I love consuming cannabis in its own right I was long time cigarette smoker I actually like the act of smoking so I get it "sessioners" and thats why I'm saying, particularly to sessions that I did not expect how much I was going to like a device that gets my high and then its over. I was maybe even hoping I would want to sit their and chief on a grasshopper and sure like any pen its fun to fiddle with but its usually an hour or more before I want to turn it on again.
Maybe put succinctly, maybe devices are about "GETTING" high and they do it in wonderful elegant ways as does the GH but the GH is much more for "BEING" high. I brew beer, love the taste of it but don't particularly like being drunk. I like being high just fine but also enjoy smoking weed but gotta say its nice to take a rip before a meal and not even think about another one until after, the GH is the first non oil rig dab that does that for me, science? no, just the experience of this simple country lobbyist with a GH in hand, zero credibility
For what its worth I happen to lobby for the marijuana industry and when I worked for Congress I did work the leader on cannabis reform Jared Polis, I was his marijuana staffer, and yeah i've done all sorts of cool things NONE of which make me anything more than a guy with a GH in my hand so if you want to know what its like to use a GH. For the time yeah I would call myself an expert.
With respect to lobbyist, Clarinetists, used car salesman and pyrotechnicians, the only professions I have the direct experience in, you should neither distrust not trust anyone wholesale but rather find a skilled professional who you do trust. IF you do not find a lobbyist, clarinetist, used car salesman or pyrotech that trust you can simply not change a law, hear a sonata, by a car or see a fireworks show, or you can do it anyway with one you don't trust, but its better to find one of the abundant ones you can trust.
As for a guy with a GH you might be stuck with me, seems @midgetsanchez @Just Justin and the others are off lost on some GH inspired misadventure .... good for them, I think I'll join them
mod note: Edited to remove response to off-topic discussion
Meanwhile, back on TOPIC: A few more days in with the GH I have changed my practice slightly still in the following ways:
Whoever said temp 5 is really just for the concentrate attachment when it is built, I totally agree, haven't used it on temp 5 since and don't miss it except like said if my ABV gets stuck that temp and 2 quick rips (probably one is enough) de-gunks the oils that cooled down and the ABV falls right out
Because its so ahem ... efficient (gets you real high) I find I vape a fewer amount of times during the day which I didn't expect to like. I liken it to the Apple Watch, the watch isn't about bring alerts etc to the foreground its about pushing them to the background, similarly, I already regret saying this because I know someone is looking for me to say something bad about the GH but keep looking interpret my words how you like, what I mean is the following: The GH puts getting high into the background.
Its not to say it isn't fun to use, its a pleasure, and more pleasurable than my firefly or pax2 it IS to say its nice to not be futzing around with a vape all day to maintain. And I don't mean that its so easy to click on, hit it and put it away, it is that easy but thats not the point. The point is that you do that and you won't think about it again for an hour. Don't know about you but if I take a bong rip, hit a bowl, use my firefly, pax2 etc, doesn't matter, because a. I love consuming cannabis in its own right I was long time cigarette smoker I actually like the act of smoking so I get it "sessioners" and thats why I'm saying, particularly to sessions that I did not expect how much I was going to like a device that gets my high and then its over. I was maybe even hoping I would want to sit their and chief on a grasshopper and sure like any pen its fun to fiddle with but its usually an hour or more before I want to turn it on again.
Maybe put succinctly, maybe devices are about "GETTING" high and they do it in wonderful elegant ways as does the GH but the GH is much more for "BEING" high. I brew beer, love the taste of it but don't particularly like being drunk. I like being high just fine but also enjoy smoking weed but gotta say its nice to take a rip before a meal and not even think about another one until after, the GH is the first non oil rig dab that does that for me, science? no, just the experience of this simple country lobbyist with a GH in hand, zero credibility
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IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
It would be nice if there was actually enough GH's out there where we would all stop arguing about small differences and just enjoy our GH's and chill because we have nothing more to argue about. Or should i say it WILL be nice instead of it would be nice? Positive vibes.
Is it sad I am considering going and getting a TI on top of my two SS because I do love me some good IPA's? Sad or krazy i'm not sure but you may have sold me on the taste argument for a conesiour. @slcbdco
Is it sad I am considering going and getting a TI on top of my two SS because I do love me some good IPA's? Sad or krazy i'm not sure but you may have sold me on the taste argument for a conesiour. @slcbdco
johnnyCanuck
Well-Known Member
GH website is down for me. Anyone else experiencing the same?
PAZ
Well-Known Member
I don't know if these numbers are realistic. If these numbers were indeed true, the Titanium and SS vapes would feel basically identical as the unit got hotter. Since there are a few reports that say the Titanium shell stays cooler for longer, it maeks me think either the calculations were to simplified, or the assumed insulation was too thick.
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
I'm getting the dreaded 500 Internal Server error, which often means some bit of code just installed is misbehaving. Or database. The error message asks what I did to cause it-- I ASSURE YOU IT WAS NOTHING.
Has anyone been able to figure out, calculate, or guess about how long the batteries can be stored without losing any of its chargeability? I asked a while back but since someone asked Trevor I didn't follow up.
TheVapeStation
Well-Known Member
So I got my new hopper one thing I noticed after my first use. The airflow is better than both my first units.
I have already sent the faulty one back so hopefully we hear about that one.
I have already sent the faulty one back so hopefully we hear about that one.
YaFreekin Right
Well-Known Member
The analysis I provided was to look at the temperature within the herb chamber. I was trying to show that the temperatures within the chamber will be basically identical(if the GH is properly calibrated) and therefore the herb extraction will be identical.
The overall analysis of the GH is a very complicated 3D heat transfer analysis.
Without knowing the exact Ti & SS used I cannot make an accurate analysis on why the Ti stays cooler longer. On the flip side it may mean that the Ti takes longer to cool down between uses as well.