Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

Stinky

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If you simply asked them to do that in your letter, they should contact you once they read it to get the upgrade fee payment and then they will send you a Mighty. It should be a very painless process.

I think the important part is to ask nicely. The only person I have heard of being denied the upgrade is a poster on Reddit who claims he asked S&B personally if he could pay the upgrade fee and they denied his request.
 

Astedra

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Oh was it ever difficult to go back to mflb since my crafty is overheating. The crafty spoils us. I remember when I first got the crafty I was thinking my magicflight is just as good but I get it now.

My crafty was overheating and shutting down over the weekend so I didn't use it Monday today I tried it at 210 Celsius all the way with no overheating. Does this mean that it may occasionally overheat or that overheating is a sign that it's going to stop working?
 
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Stinky

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Oh was it ever difficult to go back to mflb since my crafty is overheating. The crafty spoils us. I remember when I first got the crafty I was thinking my magicflight is just as good but I get it now.

My crafty was overheating and shutting down over the weekend so I didn't use it Monday today I tried it at 210 Celsius all the way with no overheating. Does this mean that it may occasionally overheat or that overheating is a sign that it's going to stop working?

The overheating issues were addressed with the 2.07 firmware upgrade. Email S&B and ask them nicely to send you a shipping label for your warranty return.
 
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Astedra

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I don't want to send back the crafty that's the thing even though they addressed the overheating, so can I get by with the occasional overheating? I mean does anybody else experience this or have you all sent it back?
 
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Vambo1980

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Ok so I've ordered a new thermal fuse, well I've ordered 10 they cost less than the delivery.

I am loving the performance from my crafty now, it never overheats now, the base is cool and heat up is a very consistent 1.20 from 24c to 190c timed it every time I've remembered and it's always the same.

What's the heat up time from a new crafty?

The impedance of the thermal fuse will once fitted add to heat up time but I'd say I have the fastest crafty around! My heater is now 217hrs old and the performance is the same as when it was new!
 
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h3rbalist

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
Ok so I've ordered a new thermal fuse, well I've ordered 10 they cost less than the delivery.

I am loving the performance from my crafty now, it never overheats now, the base is cool and heat up is a very consistent 1.20 from 24c to 190c timed it every time I've remembered and it's always the same.

What's the heat up time from a new crafty?

Just a reminder there is a warm-up thread for the crafty.

:)

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/crafty-warmup-time-comparison-thread.18129/
 

Vambo1980

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Lol there is a thread for that!
Thanks, I'm sorry for my ignorance I've only ever been on this thread. I don't have time to read what's been put on here since I was last on about 2 months ago, it gets a bit overwhelming if I'm honest!

Thanks for the info.
 
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h3rbalist

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
Lol there is a thread for that!
Thanks, I'm sorry for my ignorance I've only ever been on this thread. I don't have time to read what's been put on here since I was last on about 2 months ago, it gets a bit overwhelming if I'm honest!

Thanks for the info.
Yep, there's a thread for everything here at FC.

:)

That's no joke.

It's a full time job keeping up to date here. But so rewarding when you un earth a gem

I try my best but still miss stuff for weeks sometimes.
 

wolf1027

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I broke down and combusted the last couple of days while crafty is getting repaired. The taste is so awful now. I did not realize how good this vape makes herb taste. :drool:
Smoking just feels so dirty and inefficient.
I bet I am posting in wrong thread too lol
 

alecsys

New Member
The overheating issues were addressed with the 2.07 firmware upgrade. Email S&B and ask them nicely to send you a shipping label for your warranty return.

what exactly is addressed with the 2.07 firmware? my brand new crafty came with FW 2.07, but I also had these overheating issues already...

Well it didn't last long, I have the red and yellow lights of death, but never fear after investigation I've found another design fault, and possibly why it's failed and why the base gets so hot! The heater is remove able (not soldered to the board) the leg of the internal 10a fuse is a push fit and so is the yellow lead next to it. I can see where the joint has oxidised and become a resistive joint, I'm assuming it's this that has caused the internal 10a thermal fuse to blow causing the flashing lights.
I still have the correct resistance across the heater post fuse so I maybe tackling a fix ( if temporary I need my meds)

VJ

I'll update if I fix it. If it was easy to put pics on I'd do that too.

Fixed! Removed the fuse (temporarily) soldered the heater to the board switched on working just got to rebuild it for a vape! Was starting to get worried I'd have to get the extreme q out!

I'd say what I've found is a serious issue!! Heat up time from cold is now super fast!!!! The temp jumps is 3-4 degree at a time right the way up I didn't time it but it was about 1.30 at a guess.


Edit: Just timed it from 24c to 190c comes in at a super speed of 1 minute 18 seconds


Happily back vaping!!!

I suppose being a geek with electronics has helped me a bit but I hope I can help others!!!!

Thanks Hairy fish for the info enabling me to post this photo

you should provide S&B this improvement proposal. maybe you did it already? or does S+B staff read this thread also?
 

Astedra

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Well now I have to send it back 73 hours first one 63 hours. Both got red and yellow flashing lights.
 
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JayDay

Newbs
Overheating? Will the app tell you that? Cause I never open my app, lol. My crafty never dies or anything mid session.

27 hours in. Im also on 2.07.

and Ive been boosting alot lately. Should I be worried and open the app for warnings?

Would taking hit after hit help? Because that causes your oven to drop temp right
 
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UnshavenFish

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Would taking hit after hit help? Because that causes your oven to drop temp right

Not really, it will cause the oven temp to drop but only by a little bit and only for a few seconds, it's a really good heater, try open your app and see how low you can drop the temp by inhaling, it's a fun game think my best is a 7°c drop before my lungs are full and I run out of puff.

Personally I wouldn't worry just use it and enjoy it, if it breaks you should get a new one anyways.

I don't use the app often either and I could be wrong here but I think you get flashing lights to show overheating also, never happened to me though so I'm not sure :hmm:
 

Stu

Maconheiro
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Overheating? Will the app tell you that? Cause I never open my app, lol. My crafty never dies or anything mid session.

27 hours in. Im also on 2.07.

and Ive been boosting alot lately. Should I be worried and open the app for warnings?

Would taking hit after hit help? Because that causes your oven to drop temp right
You'll get an error on the app if it gets too hot. As long as your unit is working fine, I wouldn't worry about it. That same overheat error message might also appear in other circumstances IIRC. Maybe from a low battery or something. I forget 'cause I vape too much.:nod:

:peace:
 

Vambo1980

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what exactly is addressed with the 2.07 firmware? my brand new crafty came with FW 2.07, but I also had these overheating issues already...



you should provide S&B this improvement proposal. maybe you did it already? or does S+B staff read this thread also?

The overheating issue could be different reasons for different people, it could be that the unit is not really overheating, it could be issues with the specification of the thermistor, software programming or even bad batteries that are heating up more than they originally specified.

The first indication you have the poor fuse/heater connection fault I have found is the heat generated from the base of the unit. This is now obvious for me and hopefully you guy's, the base started getting noticeably hot around 70ish hours. Sometimes worse than others but it definitely got worse as it reached up to 150 hrs.

Maybe I should tell them, I know if I ran a company the size of S&B then I would want to know what my tens of thousands of customers are doing to improve their product, or just in general, especially because of the nature of the product. But then again I did say the owners look like 70's porn stars in a earlier post!! I would like to think they have people looking but how would we know? I do still think this product is overpriced and has design floors, production issues plastics etc. Although I now realise that you are not just buying their product your buying a service with it in sorts because they do appear to be very good at customer service.

I do think that there may well be an issue regarding the connection of the heater via the leg of a thermal fuse in a push fit connector to the pcb but it may already have been solved, my unit is old already I suppose, 2 rev of firmware already mine is 2.05 and was a replacement sent to me in FEB this year from my original purchase of October last year.
 

alecsys

New Member
The overheating issue could be different reasons for different people, it could be that the unit is not really overheating, it could be issues with the specification of the thermistor, software programming or even bad batteries that are heating up more than they originally specified.

The first indication you have the poor fuse/heater connection fault I have found is the heat generated from the base of the unit. This is now obvious for me and hopefully you guy's, the base started getting noticeably hot around 70ish hours. Sometimes worse than others but it definitely got worse as it reached up to 150 hrs.

I would like to think they have people looking but how would we know?

I will make S&B aware of this thread and your preliminary findings in this matter ...

edit: I have emailed them right now!
 
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Tek

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Not really, it will cause the oven temp to drop but only by a little bit and only for a few seconds, it's a really good heater, try open your app and see how low you can drop the temp by inhaling, it's a fun game think my best is a 7°c drop before my lungs are full and I run out of puff.

Personally I wouldn't worry just use it and enjoy it, if it breaks you should get a new one anyways.

I don't use the app often either and I could be wrong here but I think you get flashing lights to show overheating also, never happened to me though so I'm not sure :hmm:

I drop my heater by 40° F with a good rip, maybe mine should be keeping up better.... could also be why it heat soaks so fast and starts to overheat.
Edit, ok I checked my crafty and maybe 40 is a little exaggerated but 30 def happens often, 40 degree drop has only been occasional.
 
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Tek

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7 Celsius isn't much compared to Fahrenheit. I was clicking it back and forth to check
Edit 190c= 374f
197=386.6


So it varies through the temp range. 7 c is 44 f I think it said. Go higher up and it is less of a difference
 
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UnshavenFish

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7 Celsius isn't much compared to Fahrenheit. I was clicking it back and forth to check
Edit 190c= 374f
197=386.6


So it varies through the temp range. 7 c is 44 f I think it said. Go higher up and it is less of a difference

Yeah there is a diff between f and c, although as you point out its not huge at some temps.

Maybe °f is more accurate due to bigger range :shrug:,I will have a play today at somepoint and report what I can achieve using f.

Mine has just under 30 hours (27 I think but need to check) and is fw 2.05

Edit: ok I couldn't wait :rolleyes:, a few tests have given some answers...

Starting temp 180°c/356°f, inhaling as soon as upto temp I can get down to 167°c and 327°f (these temps were from my first two draws one done in °c and one in °f) so a bigger drop than I has previously stated, after a little thinking this is due to heat retention (or lack of it as crafty only just got to temp, unit is cool) after a few pulls (crafty feels warm) my previously stated temp drop stands, managed a 9°c drop so a little better than my old best but still around that number, so temp drop will depend on how far into a session you are.
 
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BillClinton

New Member
I'm sorry to be a broken record here but my Crafty comes today (feel like a kid on Christmas) and I want to make sure I do it right. Seems like people say use a screen rather than the liquid pad for small loads, does it matter which extra screen? Then just trim the screen so it doesn't scratch the oven and press it firmly down on the bud, correct?
 
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