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Neceros

Neceros

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[I'm unsure where to post this, but since it's about butane...]

Are you worried about requiring a license to continue Butane operations? This is the biggest thing keeping me from getting into extracting myself. I really don't want to step through hoops.

SB 5052 Full History: http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5052

Current, full signed in bill: http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bill Reports/Senate/5052-S2 SBR FBR 15.pdf

Governer's vetos, and full acceptance of SB 5052: http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/Vetoes/Senate/5052-S2.VTO.pdf


Does this affect anyone else here?
 
SamuraiSam

SamuraiSam

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Fight 5052; we have I-1372 and R76 up for signatures; and Douglas Hiatt from Sensible Washington along with two other attorneys have filed an injunction on 5052.

Washington is f*¢&$d and a lot of folks are gearing up to leave the state. I am only doing solventless now because there is so much hassle with any form of hydrocarbon extraction.
 
SamuraiSam

SamuraiSam

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Jay Inslee issued a line item veto to specifically remove lines that would have exempted medical patients from paying sales tax at I-502 recreational stores after they shut down all the dispensaries.

The only reason you do such a callous thing is if the absolute only interest you have in passing this legislation is a money grab. There's no other reason to tax patients.
 
ovrez

ovrez

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my opinion

Are you worried about requiring a license to continue Butane operations?
no , i am not .
i have never been in a i502 store and i will not support anything from or about i502
 
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Neceros

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ovrez said:
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my opinion

Are you worried about requiring a license to continue Butane operations?
no , i am not .
i have never been in a i502 store and i will not support anything from or about i502
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The problem is this senate bill is to force all medical users to be governed by the I-502 standards, with a few minor differences.

So, technically, even if you are medical, now you are under I-502 for processing butane. I suspect everyone will simply ignore the license requirement.
 
ovrez

ovrez

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it not just bho it's any form of concentrate

from wa doh website
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May I still make hash oil or marijuana concentrates?
Beginning July 24, 2015, it will be illegal for people to use butane to extract marijuana resins or to produce any form of marijuana concentrates unless they're licensed as marijuana processors by the LCB.



also remember to renew your authorizations before 07/24/2015 to stay legal until 07/24/2016
as you might not be able to renew on the new forms which will state that the Dr. signing must be registered with the state to do authorizations , but that is not set up yet

Are current medical marijuana authorizations still valid with the passing of SB 5052?
Current medical marijuana recommendations or authorizations are valid until June 30, 2016 (unless they have an earlier expiration date). Beginning July 24, 2015, all new authorizations must be written on a standard form developed by the Department of Health. Beginning July 1, 2016, all authorizations must be on this form in order to be valid.


http://www.doh.wa.gov/YouandYourFamily/Marijuana/MedicalMarijuana/GeneralFrequentlyAskedQuestions
 
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Neceros

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This is super frustrating, and seems illegal. Good news is I already planned on upping my medical membership in july.

Thanks for the headsup.
 
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Lines 9 thru 11 on page 28 or SSB 5052 states
"Cooking oil, butter, and other nonexplosive home cooking substances may be used to make marijuana extracts for noncommercial personal use."

Theres a lot of other ways to make concentrates. :)
 
DabComa

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Good catch on that loophole, but sort of useless from the OP's perspective I'm assuming they are a store owner asking in regards to producing and selling, hence the stipulation of "personal and not commercial" ( in less words). Probably wouldn't do them any good, unless of course you are making for yourself, then go to town! Legally. A luxury I'm unsure if I'll ever have over here in NY lol, :(
 
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Neceros

Neceros

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DabComa said:
Good catch on that loophole, but sort of useless from the OP's perspective I'm assuming they are a store owner asking in regards to producing and selling, hence the stipulation of "personal and not commercial" ( in less words). Probably wouldn't do them any good, unless of course you are making for yourself, then go to town! Legally. A luxury I'm unsure if I'll ever have over here in NY lol, :(
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Why are you stuck in NY? Lots of states opening up policies.

A6 Grower said:
Lines 9 thru 11 on page 28 or SSB 5052 states
"Cooking oil, butter, and other nonexplosive home cooking substances may be used to make marijuana extracts for noncommercial personal use."
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This means no ISO, everclear, butane, and co2. All of the top extraction techniques with solvents.
 
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DabComa

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Neceros said:
Why are you stuck in NY? Lots of states opening up policies.



This means no ISO, everclear, butane, and co2. All of the top extraction techniques with solvents.
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yes, im sure myself and the original poster are aware of this, there are plenty of ways to make concentrates, without harsh solvents. That can turn out some just as good product.

Flour ground into a powder could be considered explosive. Processing plants ( the facilitys) explode all the time. Law definetley needs more elaboration.
 
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Neceros said:
This means no ISO, everclear, butane, and co2. All of the top extraction techniques with solvents.
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When did everclear become something not used in the home? You can use everclear and a lot of other solvents.

Lines 36,37 & 38 on pg.27 state "Nothing in this chapter permits anyone other than a validly licensed marijuana processor to use butane or other explosive gases to extract or separate resin from marijuana"

Liquids are A ok! Also it states no commercial processing.BUT What defines commercial? Its not defined in the bill therefore its definition has to be assumed in the most basic way. Commercial would ensue that money is being exchanged. Most processors do a % fee... Oil has no monetary value until it is sold so unless you're charging a cash fee to process there's no commercial processing going on but more of a patients to patients service. Almost the same as someone just coming over and helping trim stuff.
 
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I wonder what their definition of "explosive" is?

Co2 is an inert gas but any gas is explosive under enough pressure?
 
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SamuraiSam

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http://thejointblog.com/washington-...-tier-tax-structure-on-recreational-cannabis/

Has anyone out there read this bill? Link inside to the full text of the bill Inslee just signed; HB-2136:

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House Passed Legislature/2136-S2.PL.pdf

Check out pages 48 through 54 of SB-2136. Why are we talking about scheduling drugs at a state level? Why are we discussing Ibogaine, Dimethyltryptamine, Mescaline, Peyote, Psilocybin, Psilocyn inside a bill whose claim is a simple cannabis taxation restructuring?

Here's where it get really weird! Why treat extracts from "marihuana or marijuana" and "naturally occurring tetrahydrocannabinols" created by a plant that this state claims to have legalized as a "synthetic cannabinoid"? Is that going to make rolling a kiefed joint illegal? What the fuck, WA?

How about Part XIV and Part XV; ultra-draconian regulations against marijuana clubs and "marijuana research licenses" This state is insane!
 
Neceros

Neceros

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SamuraiSam said:
http://thejointblog.com/washington-...-tier-tax-structure-on-recreational-cannabis/

Has anyone out there read this bill? Link inside to the full text of the bill Inslee just signed; HB-2136:

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House Passed Legislature/2136-S2.PL.pdf

Check out pages 48 through 54 of SB-2136. Why are we talking about scheduling drugs at a state level? Why are we discussing Ibogaine, Dimethyltryptamine, Mescaline, Peyote, Psilocybin, Psilocyn inside a bill whose claim is a simple cannabis taxation restructuring?

Here's where it get really weird! Why treat extracts from "marihuana or marijuana" and "naturally occurring tetrahydrocannabinols" created by a plant that this state claims to have legalized as a "synthetic cannabinoid"? Is that going to make rolling a kiefed joint illegal? What the fuck, WA?

How about Part XIV and Part XV; ultra-draconian regulations against marijuana clubs and "marijuana research licenses" This state is insane!
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It's not the state! The people here are wonderful and just like you and me. Our governing body is greedy and ignorant.
 
ovrez

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Neceros said:
It's not the state! The people here are wonderful and just like you and me. Our governing body is greedy and ignorant.
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it was the i502 business owners and their lobbyists that got sb5052 written and passed so as to get all the medical cannabis patients to go to the i502 stores and thus make more money for themselves , had nothing to do really with taxes , it was about ending medical cannbis in Wa. state .

if you can not grow your own it is not legal

i am a medical cannabis patient in Wa. until 07/2016 when i will be a criminal
as i will not go onto a registry like a sex offender , i have not done anything wrong

this is my opinion
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ChippyMalone

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@ovrez I really pray that something will happen to remedy mmj in Washington state. A guy that needs high doses or large amounts of THC is already struggling to provide for himself with a 15 plant limit.

I believe our docs can overrule the new plant limit, but still would have registry?
 
GuyLeDuche

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ChippyMalone said:
@ovrez I really pray that something will happen to remedy mmj in Washington state. A guy that needs high doses or large amounts of THC is already struggling to provide for himself with a 15 plant limit.

I believe our docs can overrule the new plant limit, but still would have registry?
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Shit, I'm worried about how that guy is supposed to get those high doses into his body without concentrates. Some people need a gram or more of quality oil per day, so I guess they should smoke 7-10g of flower instead? My chest hurts just thinking about it..
 
ovrez

ovrez

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i use FECO and juice everyday so i need a lot of fresh cannabis all the time
100% of the medical cannabis patients i know will be doing just as it was before 1998
just make sure to get good filters and not have close neighbors


when you join the registry you will be giving up your rights to search and seizures
as you will be giving the gov permission to come to your house at anytime to look at what you are doing
they do not need a warrant to come in if you are on the registry

image the cops thinking "he might be a car prowler , but how can we get him , oh wait he is in the medical cannabis database , we can go to his house now because, we don't need no stinkin warrant anymore"

sb5052 made it so you can not share your cannabis medicine with anyone , also
 
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1337Dude

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Wow. This rocked my world. I'm going to have to stock up I guess...then move? :p

Anyone have recommendations? What's going to be the best new way to procure concentrates in WA?
 
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