Discontinued The Grasshopper

fonzerelli

Well-Known Member
And people wonder why some who have received the GH wish to remain quiet.

I'm not going to fix my quote, the first thing I say is th ONLY UNIT THATS HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME IS THE HOLIDAY BACKER SS before I even mention about the TEST Ti. This is the last time I'm going to talk about anything other than the results of my experiment. I posted it for information ON THE UNIT. I am not going to entertain ANY speculation on the company. I posted that experiment for Vaporist like myself who value flavor and want to make an educated choice about the Ti vs. the SS in time for a pre-order. I do not know, nor did I ask, nor will I ask when pre-order ends. The post was solely for those interested about the differences between the two units and I will only respond in the future to questions specific to the UNIT which to be clear for the last time did not bump anyone's spot in line, is not "delivered" and I got to test it because in addition to be hard working and proud of their product the guys are good guys and my neighbor and yes I brought them beer, not beer bought from a store, fresh beer that I brewed so if there is any conspiracy theory at all, it's that 8 weeks ago I concocted a scheme to brew a beer for the sole purposes of delaying the delivery of your hopper by 6-8 minutes by asking if I could do a little experiment and perhaps provide some actual product information for folks who come to this thread for product information.


That said any questions about the actual experiment? No on is interested in why the Ti strips terpenes faster? I mean I don't know why, I'm no scientist, just a simple country lobbyist but if someone is a scientist, curious to your thoughts!

I would guesstimate that it has to do with it's thermal properties vs SS.

It really seems obvious that the TI offers better value.
 
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Mister G

Deceptively Old Fart
That said any questions about the actual experiment? No on is interested in why the Ti strips terpenes faster? I mean I don't know why, I'm no scientist, just a simple country lobbyist but if someone is a scientist, curious to your thoughts!

Regardless of my opinion, I do appreciate your willingness to share these stories of your good fortune, however it does beg the question of "did you stop by, did they loan you one, did you only use it in their office, etc" it's human nature. I'm not even touching all that other stuff.

So no offense, but I consider your testing to be more "anecdotal" than 'scientific', which I think is an important distinction for readers.
 

vapebuddy13

Your resident Super Hero
I'm not going to fix my quote, the first thing I say is th ONLY UNIT THATS HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME IS THE HOLIDAY BACKER SS before I even mention about the TEST Ti. This is the last time I'm going to talk about anything other than the results of my experiment. I posted it for information ON THE UNIT. I am not going to entertain ANY speculation on the company. I posted that experiment for Vaporist like myself who value flavor and want to make an educated choice about the Ti vs. the SS in time for a pre-order. I do not know, nor did I ask, nor will I ask when pre-order ends. The post was solely for those interested about the differences between the two units and I will only respond in the future to questions specific to the UNIT which to be clear for the last time did not bump anyone's spot in line, is not "delivered" and I got to test it because in addition to be hard working and proud of their product the guys are good guys and my neighbor and yes I brought them beer, not beer bought from a store, fresh beer that I brewed so if there is any conspiracy theory at all, it's that 8 weeks ago I concocted a scheme to brew a beer for the sole purposes of delaying the delivery of your hopper by 6-8 minutes by asking if I could do a little experiment and perhaps provide some actual product information for folks who come to this thread for product information.


That said any questions about the actual experiment? No on is interested in why the Ti strips terpenes faster? I mean I don't know why, I'm no scientist, just a simple country lobbyist but if someone is a scientist, curious to your thoughts!
I meant your last post/quote because your response to what you were replying to was included into the that quote, wasnt talking about the one where you mentioned receiving the Blue Ti...

And of course we all do appreciate the tests and reviews of the different units and that, it just leaves questions which is common to be curious about the answers
 

Justpassedu

Well-Known Member
Wondering for the guys with both a SS & Titanium in there in hands , if they could possibly just try placing the titanium MP on there SS and see if there is a difference when it comes to heat and being cooler ? I was thinking maybe down the line the GH team will offer just the tips alone and if that may help for us SS buyer's with cooling.
 

fft

Well-Known Member
So no offense, but I consider your testing to be more "anecdotal" than 'scientific', which I think is an important distinction for readers.

I think 99% of the reviews we see here are going to be anecdotal rather than scientific. Until someone steps up and buys some HPLC time so we can see before / after testing on ABV and perhaps some testing on vapor (vapor testing protocol is significantly harder to do than ABV). That's the only way in my book to get objective testing on "efficiency". I would love to start the "Vaporizer HPLC testing thread" where the labs graciously donate their time to compare different vaporizers using a standard protocol. In the meantime, I am quite happy to hear others subjective views and can't fault people who don't have access to real scientific equipment.
 

Mister G

Deceptively Old Fart
I think 99% of the reviews we see here are going to be anecdotal rather than scientific. Until someone steps up and buys some HPLC time so we can see before / after testing on ABV and perhaps some testing on vapor (vapor testing protocol is significantly harder to do than ABV). That's the only way in my book to get objective testing on "efficiency". I would love to start the "Vaporizer HPLC testing thread" where the labs graciously donate their time to compare different vaporizers using a standard protocol. In the meantime, I am quite happy to hear others subjective views and can't fault people who don't have access to real scientific equipment.

I hear you but is this a "review" or an "experiment"? I did say I really appreciate when people share this stuff, it's not wasted info, but let's be realistic about the chances for "repeatable results" or "factual conclusions".

Don't get me wrong, please keep using as many grasshoppers as you can and post here what it was like. Together as a group is how we can come to more accurate conclusions.
 

zymos

Well-Known Member
For all we know, 2 different SS GHs will SEEM to extract different amounts of terpenes.

I do enjoy hearing people's experiences while I'm waiting to receive my GH, but let's be clear about the subjective nature of these anecdotes....
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
I think a. A grasshopper is better when everyone has their own. A lot of the convenience issues folks are talking about on here assume there will only be on grasshopper in the room. Like an iPhone, it gets more useful when other people have one also so it will be "useful" to have two grasshoppers around so I don't have to share if any of my friends dont get their own (fww, it's been pretty popular and friends have already ordered on after trying it)

Interesting point, definitely fits with them trying to hit the right price point. Pax has tried the Apple approach but too expensive and not good enough yet.
 
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fft

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I hear you but is this a "review" or an "experiment"? I did say I really appreciate when people share this stuff, it's not wasted info, but let's be realistic about the chances for "repeatable results" or "factual conclusions".

Don't get me wrong, please keep using as many grasshoppers as you can and post here what it was like. Together as a group is how we can come to more accurate conclusions.

Its both a review and an experiment. Instead of an HPLC the experiment is using visual comparison and subjective taste testing to ascertain differences between vapes. The human instruments have greater room for error but over time if enough people reported results differences could be significant. I like it when people use a scientific approach even when we know that the instruments are not going to cut it for a PhD thesis. This is the best most of us can do until someone steps up to fund the "Institute for Vaporization Research" (or when Consumer Reports starts reviewing vapes)
 
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slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Okay grammar police, so based on my anecdotes not experiments, I would say yes, the Ti is cooler to the touch. The SS gets hotter and cools down slower. Sure probably two SS may extract terpenes differently for example its dial not a super precise so one could inadverntly thought it was the "same" temperature when in fact one was at just slightly different temp and the temp the a particular terp of other compound vapes. That said the temps were on the dials and it was literally the same bud, not even a different bud from the same plant, literally the same bud. But as I did specifically mention, I'm not a scientist. One thing people do need to really wrap their heads around is, this device may not be for YOU for any number of reasons. The one valid question everyone seems to have is "Is this a high quality product?" The answer is an unqualified yes.


You may like the experience you may hate it but this device should be on everyone's list when thinking about which vape to purchase. If this were my first vape it would be my only and as I said before I anecdotally have only been using the GH, I used my Firefly once to compare flavor about a week ago and I use my pax2 exclusively for spliffs. But I'm in Boulder after all so perhaps I can find a scientist to do an actual experiment and determine if I actually think GH is AWESOME :bang:

Also for all the persistent non believers, hasn't anyone notice how every post I write about the GH is clearly written by someone who is extremely high? Typos everywhere, rambling "narrative" random tangents, whole paragraphs about nothing ...

What more proof do you need, I could have said this thing was awful and the evidence of how clearly high I am would clear that right up :leaf::leaf::rofl::rofl::hmm::peace:
 

Snappo

Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"
Accessory Maker
I hear you but is this a "review" or an "experiment"? I did say I really appreciate when people share this stuff, it's not wasted info, but let's be realistic about the chances for "repeatable results" or "factual conclusions".

Don't get me wrong, please keep using as many grasshoppers as you can and post here what it was like. Together as a group is how we can come to more accurate conclusions.
Has anyone here obtained any de-facto scientific testing results prior to acquiring any of the vapes listed in your signatures, or do you rely on anecdotal reviews just like 99.9% of we end users do? Thanks!
 
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YaFreekin Right

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Has anyone asked the Grasshopper guys the exact type of SS and Ti being used on the units?

I'd like to be able to directly compare the two thermal properties of the two materials.
 
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phattpiggie

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Nearly all electronic components have a +/- tolerance so it would be difficult to set two different devices to exactly the same temp. I suppose running both at their lowest setting or using the stainless with both tips, or the Ti with both, same weed and run at the same temp.
 
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zymos

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I'm pretty sure everyone believes you were extremely high, that part comes through clearly. Not sure what that is supposed to be evidence of, you can carve a pipe out of an apple and get extremely high. I believe you when you say you think the GH is awesome, and I'm pretty sure I will think the same thing when I finally get my hands on one.

We've been interested in hearing your opinions, don't take it the wrong way when people ask questions and want clarifications on certain points...
 
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Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
I'm pretty sure everyone believes you were extremely high, that part comes through clearly. Not sure what that is supposed to be evidence of, you can carve a pipe out of an apple and get extremely high. I believe you when you say you think the GH is awesome, and I'm pretty sure I will think the same thing when I finally get my hands on one.

We've been interested in hearing your opinions, don't take it the wrong way when people ask questions and want clarifications on certain points...
I concur. Every vape I own can get me extremely high.
 

Mr Mellish

Well-Known Member
Okay grammar police, so based on my anecdotes not experiments, I would say yes, the Ti is cooler to the touch. The SS gets hotter and cools down slower. Sure probably two SS may extract terpenes differently for example its dial not a super precise so one could inadverntly thought it was the "same" temperature when in fact one was at just slightly different temp and the temp the a particular terp of other compound vapes. That said the temps were on the dials and it was literally the same bud, not even a different bud from the same plant, literally the same bud. But as I did specifically mention, I'm not a scientist. One thing people do need to really wrap their heads around is, this device may not be for YOU for any number of reasons. The one valid question everyone seems to have is "Is this a high quality product?" The answer is an unqualified yes.


You may like the experience you may hate it but this device should be on everyone's list when thinking about which vape to purchase. If this were my first vape it would be my only and as I said before I anecdotally have only been using the GH, I used my Firefly once to compare flavor about a week ago and I use my pax2 exclusively for spliffs. But I'm in Boulder after all so perhaps I can find a scientist to do an actual experiment and determine if I actually think GH is AWESOME :bang:

Also for all the persistent non believers, hasn't anyone notice how every post I write about the GH is clearly written by someone who is extremely high? Typos everywhere, rambling "narrative" random tangents, whole paragraphs about nothing ...

What more proof do you need, I could have said this thing was awful and the evidence of how clearly high I am would clear that right up :leaf::leaf::rofl::rofl::hmm::peace:

Please continue with your pioneering work. I have no illusion that you're doing anything scientific and doubt that anything else posted here by an FC member will be much more scientific. Enjoying your posts so I hope you'll keep them coming. The subjective opinions give us something to feed our impatience and may help us to triangulate toward an opinion that seems relevant to us.
 

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
I concur. Every vape I own can get me extremely high.
Sure, the difference I was pointing out in that was that for the effect I would get from an ENTIRE BOWL in a pax2 I got from a pinch in the GH. Again no experiments, no scales, just looking at the amount in a pax and h about it takes to get the same effect in a GH and this simple country lobbyist doesn't need a scale or a scientist to know those to amounts are NOT the same, that one is substantially and outside a margin of error smaller. I posted a pic comparing pax2 and GH ABV. I actually use less than that amount now, the efficiency of this thing is crazy. Now that the "new toy" phase is slowly wearing off and I'm defaulting to how I would normally use it I find I am reaching for my vape less often than other vapes and definitely using a lot less cannabis. And to be clear for those looking for the non existent hidden criticism, this is because I just don't want to vape more, feel as high as I'd like and when I do grab the GH I use as little as I can so I can have more tasty hits, like I said a fully packed bowl, I could never finish in one sitting and even though it's pure convection and really does NOT cook herbs between hits, I don't see the point in a stale begone dull care hit in an hour when. can just finish the pinch, dump it out and have a nice clean GH for a fresh green pinch in an hour.


The other thing with a full pack, it will increase cleaning by which I mean from absolute zero to a little bit. With a pinch the ABV falls out. With a full pack you might need to use the clip to break the ABV a little before it fallls out and you might need a q-tip to get the stragglers. In general this is no maintenance and I almost never use the mouthpiece because I don't usually want to use it long enough for it to get uncomfortable.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Okay grammar police, so based on my anecdotes not experiments, I would say yes, the Ti is cooler to the touch. The SS gets hotter and cools down slower. Sure probably two SS may extract terpenes differently for example its dial not a super precise so one could inadverntly thought it was the "same" temperature when in fact one was at just slightly different temp and the temp the a particular terp of other compound vapes. That said the temps were on the dials and it was literally the same bud, not even a different bud from the same plant, literally the same bud. But as I did specifically mention, I'm not a scientist. One thing people do need to really wrap their heads around is, this device may not be for YOU for any number of reasons. The one valid question everyone seems to have is "Is this a high quality product?" The answer is an unqualified yes.


You may like the experience you may hate it but this device should be on everyone's list when thinking about which vape to purchase. If this were my first vape it would be my only and as I said before I anecdotally have only been using the GH, I used my Firefly once to compare flavor about a week ago and I use my pax2 exclusively for spliffs. But I'm in Boulder after all so perhaps I can find a scientist to do an actual experiment and determine if I actually think GH is AWESOME :bang:

Also for all the persistent non believers, hasn't anyone notice how every post I write about the GH is clearly written by someone who is extremely high? Typos everywhere, rambling "narrative" random tangents, whole paragraphs about nothing ...

What more proof do you need, I could have said this thing was awful and the evidence of how clearly high I am would clear that right up :leaf::leaf::rofl::rofl::hmm::peace:

Yeah don't worry about it dude, you get a lot of both sides around here, but we all appreciate your feedback (even it makes us even more anxious!). I can tell a lot about it based on your posts, regardless of the tangents, I feel you and I appreciate you!

Your use is similar to how I use the Elevape, which I got while waiting for Hopper (ofcourse since I got firefly and lily too Haha), small packs for amazing low temp hits and still huge clouds and effects.

I do wonder about a medium pack maybe? Seems your full pack is really full, and your normal pinch is really small, I wonder if a medium pack could last like a day, taking a puff or two here and there, like how one would use a Pax2 but without the constant cooking, and maybe then it woild be not as tight of a pack allowing for more airflow
 
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slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Yeah don't worry about it dude, you get a lot of both sides around here, but we all appreciate your feedback (even it makes us even more anxious!). I can tell a lot about it based on your posts, regardless of the tangents, I feel you and I appreciate you!

Yeah man, just ease up on harshing my buzz man, one of the many reasons I think the GH is more fun when everyone has one, then everyone else will believe this product is straight treatin yo' self!
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah man, just ease up on harshing my buzz man, one of the many reasons I think the GH is more fun when everyone has one, then everyone else will believe this product is straight treatin yo' self!

Yeah dude, for sure! I wholeheartedly believe your posts only further confirm what I always hoped this would be (btw I added a little question to my post above)

Also @slcbdco I've been wanting to post this for you in honor of your reviews:
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Mr. Me2

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Hey slcbdco - a couple questions for you: how do you compare how warm the mouthpiece gets comparing the ss, ti, and pax 2 (with the flat mouthpiece)? And have you used the silicon sleeve on either gh?

And PLEASE... Keep the reviews coming. Much appreciated!!!
 

RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
What more proof do you ntrieeed, I could have said this thing was awful and the evidence of how clearly high I am would clear that right up :leaf::leaf::rofl::rofl::hmm::peace:


I own a shitload of vaporizers(50+) and can say there are a couple of vapes that are pure pieces of crap that'll get me near as high as my best with the same amount of herb, so just the fact that you get a good buzz from the GH means Nothing to me at all.

I use my pax2 exclusively for spliffs.

This has nothing to do with the GH but i gotta ask what do you mean by using a vape with a tiny bowl like the Pax 2 for vaping a spliff ? What's a "spliff" mean to you ? Serious question, I'm not trying to sound like a prick. Just I don't understand this statement about vaping a spliff. :shrug:


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