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MinnBobber · Jun 27, 2015

so what's the exact width/ diameter of the GH chamber?
And the length?

Would miniVAP wire basket modules work? They fit the Herbie bowl nicely.

Upper rim of wire basket is about 5/8" and it's the widest part of the wire basket.
Silicone cover could be used just to carry/transport and then plop the loaded wire basket into the
GH. If the size works

delloy · Jun 27, 2015

MinnBobber said:
so what's the exact width/ diameter of the GH chamber?
And the length?

Would miniVAP wire basket modules work? They fit the Herbie bowl nicely.

Upper rim of wire basket is about 5/8" and it's the widest part of the wire basket.
Silicone cover could be used just to carry/transport and then plop the loaded wire basket into the
GH. If the size works

@MinnBobber The outside diameter of the GH is 9/16" or 0.55in/14mm, so at a guess I would say internally 0.5in so it would be too large to fit.

TheVapeStation · Jun 27, 2015

PDwasmy1st said:
Is this maybe because it's metal? i have normally found metal's to be too harsh in the past when i smoked... and dosn't the silicon mouthpiece heat up somewhat

I think it is actually just how short the vapor path is. Allthough i have found taking smaller drags on higher temps is quite smooth still.

Also as a side note my mother is having surgery tuesday my posts may thin out over the next week but i will return.

al bundy · Jun 27, 2015

@TheVapeStation
Hope all goes well with your mom. :peace:

And a great job with the reviews to those who have their GH. :leaf:

KBecks · Jun 28, 2015

I imagine someone could design a credit card sized (slightly thicker) holder with a thin-but-sturdy collapsible funnel in the center. I'd keep something like that in my wallet. Maybe I should try it.

PDwasmy1st · Jun 28, 2015

ContemporaryShaman said:
You are not smoking out of the metal so that doesn't really affect it. Its just that the vapor path is so short, and our lungs don't usually just inhale baking oven temperature air a few centimeters from the source. I consider myself to have "leather lungs" and am able to handle any temp vapor without coughing. I think the grasshopper snuck up on me because I didn't expect it to keep up and produce as much vapor as it did so that ended up making me cough. We all will eventually find our ideal techniques

And the silicon session extender will eventually get hot with constant use, but in my normal experience it protected me enough to be comfortable while hitting it.

Yes i hope very much it is Technique based, i don't cough at all, so i'd hate this to make me cough it would be useless if i couldn't find a right temp/vape cloud for me.
I suffer with a sore throat (from smoking days) only on 1 side, so i need things to be less hot which maybe a problem i currently use a long glass stem on my EV-2 and still get the sore throat if i use a lot.

I am looking for smaller bubblers for my EV-2, so if i can't get on with the GH i shall sell it to 1 of my friends who currently smoke but want to stop, but in general i look at this as back up and emergencies for when i am out, or on the balcony, so if it's better i will be well chuffed

johnnyCanuck · Jun 28, 2015

Here's a question, if the GH is super efficient at extraction, is it worth the effort in saving ABV for edibles?

lovecrush · Jun 28, 2015

johnnyCanuck said:
Here's a question, if the GH is super efficient at extraction, is it worth the effort in saving ABV for edibles?

I'm 99% sure it still worths.

Snappo · Jun 28, 2015

lovecrush said:
I'm 99% sure it still worths.

101% sure!!! Vape extraction Goliaths like the EVO, Herbalizer, Herbalaire, Plenty, Mighty & Crafty, etc., leave plenty good ABV for later effective use.

MinnBobber · Jun 28, 2015

johnnyCanuck said:
Here's a question, if the GH is super efficient at extraction, is it worth the effort in saving ABV for edibles?

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The ABV will have goodies intact and work great for edibles.

GH temp range is 266°F-410°F. Vapes like miniVAP and Herbie have temps to 435 F and they have plenty of goodness in the ABV.

Wzfbaby7 · Jun 28, 2015

MinnBobber said:
GH temp range is 266°F-410°F. Vapes like miniVAP and Herbie have temps to 435 F and they have plenty of goodness in the ABV.

I wonder why they decided to go as low as 266°F instead of perhaps 300°F?

invertedisdead · Jun 28, 2015

TheVapeStation said:
All in all the versatility of this thing makes it stand up to alot of desktops I have used. Including the volcano. Even with the heat which is literally my only complaint. The grasshopper is like putting your face over the volcano output. I use less than my volcano did and get as far as a minimum pack on my volcano got me. Now I will say to go above a certain temp I need water but that is not a big deal in my opinion because most desktops you have to be near an outlet to use anyway.

The desktops I have used for those curious are DBV SSV Vapexhale cloud herbalaireh2.2 high output zephyr ion volcano lsv extreme q.

This is what I've been hoping for all along. I'm cool with running through a mini bub at home when I want to, still more portable than a Volcano and will heat up much faster. But is the taste anywhere near the volcano? Wouldn't a short vapor path be better for taste?

tr33sPlease · Jun 28, 2015

Wzfbaby7 said:
I wonder why they decided to go as low as 266°F instead of perhaps 300°F?

I was wonder the same thing, but perhaps for other non-cannabis herbs.

Snappo · Jun 28, 2015

tr33sPlease said:
I was wonder the same thing, but perhaps for other non-cannabis herbs.

The more moist your herb may be, the lower the temp will be able to render effective vapor results (and flavor). Some may find this favorable.

Wzfbaby7 · Jun 28, 2015

tr33sPlease said:
I was wonder the same thing, but perhaps for other non-cannabis herbs.

Hmmm, I guess I can see that and for people who love flavor (though I'm not sure the amount, if any, of vapor is worth it). Just curious because I would've scrapped that and added in a higher max temp but that can always be done on future generations.

killick · Jun 28, 2015

I *love* low temp flavours, but 'low' really depends on the vape... And not all of them are capable of full flavour (although that could also be attributed to knowledge of how the vape works for you specifically). I usually go to higher temps through water...

inuhuion · Jun 28, 2015

Wzfbaby7 said:
I would've scrapped that and added in a higher max temp but that can always be done on future generations.

I suspect they kept the highest temp at 210C to minimize the chance of combustion, since cannabis can combust at as low as 200 in the right conditions.

Wzfbaby7 · Jun 28, 2015

inuhuion said:
I suspect they kept the highest temp at 210C to minimize the chance of combustion, since cannabis can combust at as low as 200 in the right conditions.

Yeah, there are plenty of reasons I can think of for keeping it at 410F. I just figure they can eventually find a way to harness the power of the heater to handle higher temps without that risk of combustion, especially with convection.

Snappo · Jun 28, 2015

Wzfbaby7 said:
Yeah, there are plenty of reasons I can think of for keeping it at 410F. I just figure they can eventually find a way to harness the power of the heater to handle higher temps without that risk of combustion, especially with convection.

From what I can gather (speculate), GH has found a way to isolate the convection process to perform at a very high efficiency and with little loss of heat in the containment area, thus affording the top end limit of 410F without compromising high-temp results.

Wzfbaby7 · Jun 28, 2015

Snappo said:
From what I can gather (speculate), GH has found a way to isolate the convection process to perform at a very high efficiency and with little loss of heat in the containment area, thus affording the top end limit of 410F without compromising high-temp results.

Definitely, I heard that too. I'm not sure if there are any significant differences past a certain temperature (lets say past 410F while other vapes usually have a max of 446F) but just on paper, I'm just merely curious about that ~36 degree difference. It may or may not matter, probably just more carcinogens being released that I may be used to from vaping exclusively at that temp.

MinnBobber · Jun 28, 2015

Wzfbaby7 said:
Yeah, there are plenty of reasons I can think of for keeping it at 410F. I just figure they can eventually find a way to harness the power of the heater to handle higher temps without that risk of combustion, especially with convection.

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Mighty and Crafty also have a 410 F max setting.
It seems like an awful big "margin of safety" to not combust. It would seem they could get a lot closer to 450 F and not worry about combustion.

I find that my miniVAP at 436 F gives lighter ABV than a Mighty/Crafty at 410 F. To me, this shows that the Mighty/Crafty likely have hot spots that make ABV darker.
mVAP is all convection though. The lighter colored ABV is fully extracted.

What page has pics of the GH ABV???

Reliable ShotZ · Jun 28, 2015

I reckon temperature limit is a consequence of a short vapor path, probably too hot to handle.

phattpiggie · Jun 28, 2015

I think the idea of little rolling paper bullets shouldn't be dismissed straight away after all a lot of people who smoked usually mixed it with tobacco which I assume must, never been a tobacco whore, alter the flavor. I personally wouldn't use flavored papers don't see the point of spoiling good weed. Be interesting to see how it turns out when a larger number of people may try.

Wzfbaby7 · Jun 28, 2015

MinnBobber said:
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Mighty and Crafty also have a 410 F max setting.

I find that my miniVAP at 436 F gives lighter ABV than a Mighty/Crafty at 410 F.

I also have a miniVAP and its extraction is pretty efficient but its more difficult to harness the power of a heater this size to heat at such high temperatures while also being basically full convection compared to the heater in a larger, desktop vape. Just my two cents.

MinnBobber · Jun 28, 2015

Wzfbaby7 said:
I also have a miniVAP and its extraction is pretty efficient but its more difficult to harness the power of a heater this size to heat at such high temperatures while also being basically full convection compared to the heater in a larger, desktop vape. Just my two cents.

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Yes, exactly as the mV has much more convective space to work with and its laminar airflow.

It will be very interesting to see how close to miniVAP performance the GH can reach. Will the taste and max effect with minimum herb be close??

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