Herb Grinders

Skunkypete said:

obelisk said:

I did not go for a kief box (instead of the sifter case, which is really expensive man, holy fuck- 60 bucks!)

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Check out the exotic zombies , they start at 40$ and are awesome. I absolutely love mine, way better then any 4 piece grinder I've ever owned.

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Hey Pete, thanks for the tip. I do know of exotic zombie, and if I decide to go for a metal screen he is the dude I am going to pick my box up from (whenever I get it). The reason I did not go for the kief box this time is because I wanted something airtight and smell proof. I was all set to get a zombie 7x7 at one point though.

How do you like your box? Do you lose trichs to the wood (this is something I am afraid of- I know the kief is on a glass plate but still, the box is wood.. or am I just being an idiot?)? Did you ever consider going for something with a silk screen vs a metal one? I hope you are enjoying yours!


Also, lwein:

I went for the sifter case route because I wanted to use a 2 pc grinder for fine consistency but also wanted to collect kief. So I grind, drop the fluff in the sieve and then take the stuff out. Because the stuff is ground I probably get too much kief and so I do not want to shake or agitate it much.

I do not get a good enough grind (for me) from the 4 pc grinder that I have and the upside down thing does not work for me so find this to be a good option. Essentially I guess what I have is a 4 pc grinder, just sectioned out separately-- I like that, find it more convenient, I guess it is a preference thing. But it's just another option that might suit some folks.

Yeah, it is all personal preference. I agree with you in that I too like the grind I get out of a 2pc ti SpaceCase than a 4 pc, but for me, the conveinence of having my sifter, grinder and short term storage container (about a 4 days supply) all in one without having to have another piece of equipment around and transferring my bud from one piece to another kinda makes up for the hassle of turning the grinder upside down for a finer grind.

But yeah, I remember the first time I used a 2 pc ti SpaceCase and looked at the bud after about 5 twists, and I was like...........wow. Nice.

Iwien,
Do you use the small or medium SpaceCase?
I bought the medium and I'm finding that the grinder take to much weed to be effective.
Is a small grinder better for a vaporizer?

What would be a good cheap grinder for launch box?

Does it have to be ground fine for my launch box? New to vape and have not bought a grinder. What would be a good but inexpensive grinder? Can I just use a razor blade?

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yeah but its gonna take you a while and the consistency may not be the greatest. For a cheap grinder, I would say go to ebay and look at Chromium Crusher and Sharp Stone. Ive owned a Sharp Stone and they are AMAZING grinders for the price (grinds like a $60 grinder). Both brands are about the same in terms of quality and price. Just a matter of preference.

EDIT: Also, go check out the Herb Grinder thread under General Vape discussion.

iceshark said:

What would be a good cheap grinder for launch box?

Does it have to be ground fine for my launch box? New to vape and have not bought a grinder. What would be a good but inexpensive grinder? Can I just use a razor blade?

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iceshark-- depends on how much you wanna spend. i wouldn't know what the requisite consistency on the LB is, but I guess I'll find out soon enough (got one in the mail ).

since you only asked about grinding, i am assuming you are not so concerned with kief. if that is true, go with a 2 pc for a fine grind. if you can afford to spend 30 bucks, I'd pick up a medium 2 pc space case (titanium goes for 30 and original at 27 iirc). checkout vapeworld.com-- they have a 15 % discount on space case items for FC members as well (check retailers thread for code).

here is the vapeworld link:

http://www.vapeworld.com/herb-grinders/space-case/2-piece-grinders

if you are worried about kief, i'd suggest this 4 pc grinder, also for 30 bucks (no discount coupon here though):

http://cgi.ebay.com/FULLY-CNCd-56mm...aultDomain_0?hash=item562bba373d#ht_930wt_941


it is my experience that a 2 pc will give you a finer grind though. I'd suggest going that route.

Big Dick Baller said:

Iwien,
Do you use the small or medium SpaceCase?
I bought the medium and I'm finding that the grinder take to much weed to be effective.
Is a small grinder better for a vaporizer?

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Small, because I only go through about 0.025g a day.

obelisk said:

if you are worried about kief, i'd suggest this 4 pc grinder, also for 30 bucks (no discount coupon here though):

http://cgi.ebay.com/FULLY-CNCd-56mm-Her _930wt_941

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I've got the 2.5" version of this KGP grinder. It's nice, but at $33.50 for the 56mm, it's overpriced IMO. This one, which I also have, does just as good as job, seems just as well made, and is less than half the price with FC discount- http://www.vapeworld.com/herb-grinders/aerospace-brand-pollen-grinder-small-56mm

At $20-25, the 2.2" CNC Chromium Crusher is another, less expensive option.

it is my experience that a 2 pc will give you a finer grind though. I'd suggest going that route.

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The KGP CNC 2 pc. (2" size), is a good deal at $14.50 delivered, about $5 less than the same sized SC. But turning a 4 pc. upside down while grinding achieves the same fine grind as a 2 pc., while retaining the option of screening kief. If you want to collect kief, even now and then, you can get a good 4 pc. for about the same price as a SC 2 pc.

max said:

obelisk said:

if you are worried about kief, i'd suggest this 4 pc grinder, also for 30 bucks (no discount coupon here though):

http://cgi.ebay.com/FULLY-CNCd-56mm-Her _930wt_941

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I've got the 2.5" version of this KGP grinder. It's nice, but at $33.50 for the 56mm, it's overpriced IMO. This one, which I also have, does just as good as job, seems just as well made, and is less than half the price with FC discount- http://www.vapeworld.com/herb-grinders/aerospace-brand-pollen-grinder-small-56mm

At $20-25, the 2.2" CNC Chromium Crusher is another, less expensive option.

it is my experience that a 2 pc will give you a finer grind though. I'd suggest going that route.

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The KGP CNC 2 pc. (2" size), is a good deal at $14.50 delivered, about $5 less than the same sized SC. But turning a 4 pc. upside down while grinding achieves the same fine grind as a 2 pc., while retaining the option of screening kief. If you want to collect kief, even now and then, you can get a good 4 pc. for about the same price as a SC 2 pc.

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a) it is my opinion that the kelly cnc's are worth they money she charges. kelly has admitted to me that of the thousand+ grinders she has sold, she has had 3 quality related complaints. i've seen and read far more cases of stuff happening with the chromiums and sharpstones etc. also, i know from personal experience that her customer service is amazing. i had to send something back because i wanted to exchange it for something else. she mailed me the stuff i wanted in exhange as soon as i informed her that i mailed her stuff back to her-- she did not even wait for my return package to arrive. i'd say that's pretty fucking good service right there.

the extra 20 - 30 bucks is worth it for me, even if it means getting less takeout this week, because of the customer service and because it removes the risk of whether the chromium (or whatever else) is gonna work/flake/yada or not (and yes, i know you've had no issues with the cheaper grinders you've bought, but enough of others have to make it a valid concern for me).

i am not a health nut nor do i vape for health reasons but i do draw the line at having metal shards in stuff that i am about to inhale.

b) i've stated the reasons why I do not recommend a 4 pc grinder if one is looking for a fine grind, regardless of whether one wants to catch kief or not. as far as i am concerned the whole upside thing is more a problem than a solution. and there are very convenient ways to catch kief and still use a 2 pc for a good grind.

also- despite my obvious liking of KGP grinders, if the difference between a Kelly and a similar Space Case is only 5 dollars, I'd recommend spending the extra 5.

the above is obviously only my personal preference, but that is also the extent to which i can make recommendations. as far as i am concerned i have only 3 options when it comes to grinders:

space case, cosmic (which i got to check out at the local shop) and kelly cnc. i did quite a bit of research and this is what i settled on. your mileage obviously varies. and yes, all 3 options are more expensive than other market alternatives.

obelisk said:

......as far as i am concerned the whole upside thing is more a problem than a solution.

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If one want to collect kief and get a fine grind, they have two options. Get a 4 pc grinder and turn it upside down for a fine grind and then right side up to collect kief, or get a sifter and a 2pc grinder and transfer bud between the two to grind and get kief. What I don't understand is your statement that the upside thing is more of a problem than a solution. Why is it more of a problem to turn a grinder upside down than transferring your bud between two different devices?

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion. I'm just trying to understand it.

yeah, i'm not really seeing how turning the grinder upside down is a problem.

well, i have proven to be a pretty successful idiot in my life thus far so perhaps that is the main reason why our procedures and ways of thinking differ most likely but overturning a 4 pc grinder throws my kief all over the place. that's when it has the maximum chance to get into threads etc-- places that neither kief nor plant matter usually get stuck in when the grinder is used as designed, i.e. upright. i think the kelly/space-case stuff is pretty well designed as far as losing precious herb or kief to nooks and crannies goes and turning it upside down just kinda defeats the whole design.

with a 2 pc, none of this happens. I can carefully brush everything into an external sifter case. i got no plant matter or kief in threads or in nooks and crannies whatsoever. it's just cleaner for me. suits the way i organize my stuff- a grinder, a sifter /kief box, a stash case. perfect. i initially thought i'd end up losing a lot of stuff in the transfer process- but i am happy to say that i am not.

now folks may say that in this or that grinder the kief stays in its chamber even when upside down. but i doubt that-- the screen holes were big enough to let the kief fall into the catching chamber in the first place and they are still big enough to let the kief back through when upside down. and then through the grinder holes back into the grinder. and then back down again when you finish grinding and turn the grinder right side up-- just too much fucking movement for my liking.


anyway, to others this may not be a problem. to me it defeats the whole convenience factor that a 4 pc grinder provides. i tried using a brush to reclaim all the stuff in threads, nooks, crannies etc. with the 4 pc, it did not work so well for me.

if i were still smoking and did not need fine grinds, then yes, i'd be using a 4 pc (and not turn it upside down).

overturning a 4 pc grinder throws my kief all over the place

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I don't store kief in a grinder, so it never occurred to me to say 'turn the 4 pc. over BEFORE you have any kief collected'. I certainly can't blame you for not wanting to dump the kief back into the grinder. And if you do have kief in the bottom section, another option is to remove that section if you're gonna upend the grinder. For me, I find that it's easiest just to remove the kief with each grinder load, and start clean with a new load. I like to use a 2 pc. sometimes too, but I nearly always want to screen the kief, and often I'll just use the 4 pc. as a 2 pc.-upside down, and get it all done with one grinder. You can also remove the kief collector and grind over a magazine cover, let the kief collect there, leaving you free to turn the grinder up and down as you grind several loads. A 4 pc. grinder is very versatile, especially if the threads on the different sections match up. If you only want (or can only afford) one grinder, a 4 pc. is the way to go IMO, especially when you can get a quality one for under $20.

max said:

overturning a 4 pc grinder throws my kief all over the place

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And if you do have kief in the bottom section, another option is to remove that section if you're gonna upend the grinder.

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this is true. this works and this is what i ended up doing when using my 4 pc. problem is you gotta be careful when turning it right side up cuz shit can fall away since there's nothing to catch the kief temporarily. but anyway, that is me being very anal, so yes, this option definitely works. albiet not as well as the 2 pc thing imo

max said:

A 4 pc. grinder is very versatile, especially if the threads on the different sections match up.

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again, very true.

hey people! hows everyone?
question for you folks.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5438/007bp.jpg
i think i ran into a canadian company (i believe) called Hammer. anyone have any info on these? prices are obviously jacked for a local headshop, as they tend to do(but they rep many vapes, the most ive seen around locally). they are good people, treat regulars very nicely. so any opinions would greatly be appreciated.
what you dont see in that picture, however, are the sharpstone beside them. at $24.99, im not sure if they are 4 piece or not(like the hammer), or real sharpstone are that. would they, if real, turn out to be better?

Hammer. anyone have any info on these?

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Never heard of it, but looking at the silver one in particular, it looks a lot like my KGP CNC-the 2 lines cut in the outside of the top section, the white o-ring, and the number of teeth and holes. Can't tell what size they are, but if that 'small' silver one, at $30, is around 2-2.2", and you could get 'em to knock about $4-5 off the price, it may be a good buy. Might be a good deal at $30 if they give you a warranty. As for Sharpstone, it's about the only name brand I haven't tried. But I've heard so many complaints about it (broken and bent teeth, etc), I really have no interest in trying one.

lol..........I wonder how long it's going to take before someone comes on here to state that they have a SharpStone and have never experienced broken or bent teeth.

lwien said:

lol..........I wonder how long it's going to take before someone comes on here to state that they have a SharpStone and have never experienced broken or bent teeth.

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not long at all!

my sharpstone is a monster. if i were to break or bend a tooth that would require user error on my part.

http://peacepipe420.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=769&catId=32&mc=31
this is the store and the item max was referring to in my orginal post. doesn't mention anything about CNC though....
o and if you go to the link, you will noticed its not called hammer, its called hammercraft. lol

Im sure its been said, but i love my chromium crusher. I ordered it from amazon for 18 shipped i think. its a 2.5inch 4 piece setup.

i enjoy it alot. i saved my keif for last week when my Myrtlezap was on order (had a secret stash i was saving to use in the zap) and it came in handy. I never would have been able to do this without the bottom part

lwien said:

lol..........I wonder how long it's going to take before someone comes on here to state that they have a SharpStone and have never experienced broken or bent teeth.

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I've seen many Sharpstone owners swear by 'em. I've also seen pics posted of broken and bent teeth. I wondered why that would happen with a well known brand name. That's one reason I've bought various brands, including generic ones. I've never had metal flaking, broken, or bent teeth on any grinder, not even my cheapest generic. I've wondered if some users were trying to grind big stems, and when encountering resistance, used brute force instead of backing off. I do know someone who bought a clear top Sharpstone and one of the top teeth broke, and she doesn't have the hand strength to abuse a grinder with brute force, nor do I think she was trying to grind lumber. Personally, I don't see how any decent grinder can break teeth if you're just grinding bud, certainly not one made from one solid piece of aluminum (CNC).

I don't think the metal shavings and bent or broken teeth happen because of what you're grinding, but more of a problem with loose tolerances which causes the teeth to come in contact with one another. In SharpStones case, I think it's a QC issue in that "some" grinders come off the line out of whack and not aligned properly. Combine this with the possibility that SharpStone may be using a lower grade of aluminum (softer) than some of the other grinders on the market and you have a recipe for broken teeth and metal shavings, not on all SharpStones, but on some.

I've spend wayyyy too much times on MJ forums, but I've seen this metal shaving, bent teeth issue being reported on just about every grinder made with the exception of SpaceCases and Cosmics.

dude, from what i see...you've never even owned a Sharpstone, Iwein. buy one if you want to talk shit about the company please. theyre awesome grinders. highly recommended. I've own the $20 ebay 4-piece for months and no problems yet

Iwien, do you use a small or medium Space Case?
I find that the medium space case doesn't provide the grind tI would like.
Does the small Space case provide a better grind?

claypool said:

dude, from what i see...you've never even owned a Sharpstone, Iwein. buy one if you want to talk shit about the company please. theyre awesome grinders. highly recommended. I've own the $20 ebay 4-piece for months and no problems yet

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LOL. Here we go.......

Claypool, all I am doing is reporting what I have read. There have been many reports of broken teeth and metal shavings with SharpStone grinders, as Max has confirmed above and of which I have also read about also. That is a fact, not an opinion. Owning one or not owning one has nothing to do with it. Like I said, I am not surprised that you have not had any problems with yours. Many haven't........but then again, many have, and being that many have, I would never recommend to anyone that they purchase one.

Glad yours is working out for you though. :/

Big Dick Baller said:

Iwien, do you use a small or medium Space Case?
I find that the medium space case doesn't provide the grind tI would like.
Does the small Space case provide a better grind?

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I use a small, not because it gives a better grind, but because I use only a small amount and only grind up about 4 days worth in advance, so I didn't need a larger capacity grinder.