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utekai
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Have yet to send my vapman station back, it's working too good ... makes me feel like a beginner again each time I go back to the torch, because of how nicely tuned the vapman station is to the vapman. As soon as the problem with that one single station is understood we're sure to get a quick update.
Speaking of torches ...
I'd stay away from those dx.com torches, if you could even call them that. Those aren't $5 torches they sell for $2, they're $0.05 collections of poorly molded plastics they sell for $2. You'll realize this as soon as you hold it, let alone try to use it. Better option is to get a quality backup torch for instance another Vapman torch or a Lotus torch (basically the same).
I've got a Vapman torch that's about 1.5 years old and has been used extensively, dropped way too many times and it still works. A friend though took only 3 months to break his and he took one of my backups, which of course was a Vapman torch.
When going for a backup, you don't want a cheap POS that is going to break first use, you'll really want a quality torch to take away those blues. Same for vapes, get a quality backup and when you need it, it will come through for you.
----------- The vapman is Efficient with a capital V -------------
The vapman stands apart from other vapes in several ways, including that there isn't a whole lot of reclaim available due to the short vapor path, which means you get better and more complete delivery of what you seek rather than ending up with sticky clogged hoses and vapor channels that gum up. This also means much less cleaning needed over time. Other vapes that have short paths fall short of the vapman because the vapman conditions the vapor with cool air injectors and mixes it all together just before delivery. And it allows complete consumption (especially easy when using the vapman station) so the abv is really ABCV - already been completely vaped. And this helps explain the efficiency too.
Now, in addition, you also get a little bit of magic that is as of yet unexplained (sufficiently advanced technology always seems to be magic). Somehow vapor delivery via a vapman occurs in such way that the absorption of the active ingredients in the vapor is easier in the body or more complete giving much more intense/pleasing result. Yep, that's some of the vapman magic going on there ... and once you get it into your hands you'll feel the artisanal craftsmanship that goes into each and every one. Get your egg on with a vapman.
It also plugs right onto any 14mm female socket for water toys, for instance it accepts the pinnacle water tool, plugs onto the MFLB orbiter or even right into the Lotus sherlock with or without the ash-catcher. And you can use MFLB stems with the vapman or vapman stems with the MFLB ... and for a while vapman was even a recommended product on the MFLB site.
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M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
Holy Molies man! That's some awesome work.O.k, so I've been been rather more busy than usual just lately what with one thing and another - hence my vape cleaning ritual has taken a bit of a back seat . . .
However I finally got around to giving the little man just a tiny bit of well deserved TLC today.
It was only a quick job and it's by no means perfect, but I think the results are clear . . .
Before:
And after:
There you are Vapman!
Now time for some clean & tasty reward worthy rips
May all your bowls be shiny and full!
PeaceNLove
A Magic Eraser did all that?!
I cleaned a friend's badly stained vapman bowl with a Magic Eraser and didn't get it nowhere near that clean.
Thanks for sharing!
Heh thank you man
Yep, it's all thanks to the Magic Eraser - or this particular one is a Scotch Brite Easy Eraser to be exact.
I just cut it up into a few little bits, dampened them, then squeezed 99% of the water out and set to work cleaning the bowl. I used the clip from a normal bic pen lid to help work a piece of Eraser into the tiny hard to reach areas.
It literally took 10 minutes max.
And one final precaution that I take which I forgot to mention was to poke through the air inlet tubes with a pin when finished to ensure no bits of Eraser have got lodged inside.
All in all it's a very satisfying and of course highly rewarding job to do.
Hmmmmmm . . . .
Vapman Valet at your service
Rates negotiable!
M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
Oh Duh! I didn't dampen the eraser...Heh thank you man
Yep, it's all thanks to the Magic Eraser - or this particular one is a Scotch Brite Easy Eraser to be exact.
I just cut it up into a few little bits, dampened them, then squeezed 99% of the water out and set to work cleaning the bowl. I used the clip from a normal bic pen lid to help work a piece of Eraser into the tiny hard to reach areas.
It literally took 10 minutes max.
And one final precaution that I take which I forgot to mention was to poke through the air inlet tubes with a pin when finished to ensure no bits of Eraser have got lodged inside.
All in all it's a very satisfying and of course highly rewarding job to do.
Hmmmmmm . . . .
Vapman Valet at your service
Rates negotiable!
And I used a generic brand which mmay not be as good as the Scotch brand.
At least I did think about using my trusty old bamboo skewer with the tip shaped more rounded than the sharp spike it comes with.
Thanks for the info!
I used my Vapman through a water tool for the first time yesterday (a friend's small bong that he smokes through) and I liked it. Since it tasted like ash I only took 2 hits though.
I was wondering what technique you guys used when heating it for use through water. I tried one hit heating before and one heating while drawing. I preferred The latter, but my sample size was very small. Thanks in advance.
I was wondering what technique you guys used when heating it for use through water. I tried one hit heating before and one heating while drawing. I preferred The latter, but my sample size was very small. Thanks in advance.
little maggie
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I'd also like to know what you all are using as a water tool and how you are doing it.
Here's my setup:
I heat the Vapman the same way I would normally, then reap the wonderful vapors diffused through water. It's sublime!
Nugg
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I enjoy using mine with the D022. I made a Wong using a cork and a MFLB whip mouth piece. I do my usual heat up routine (three 4 second blasts) then attach and hit. While I'm hitting I usually start torching again to maintain vapor density.
@NorVape will probably chime in soon too. I know he is a fan of water conditioning.
Like others have said it fits in a 14mm female joint straight out of the box.
@NorVape will probably chime in soon too. I know he is a fan of water conditioning.
Like others have said it fits in a 14mm female joint straight out of the box.
OF
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http://www.dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320#.VYC-m8nSO9I
IIRC they ship to the UK, and I assume there? Excellent tools for the task, and the price is right. Under three dollars shipped. I've yet to kill one, though I'm working hard on several (including one that gets rained on from time to time....). I've worn the paint off the one I use the most and managed to wear out one of the two safety locks somehow, still heats the VM like a champ every time.
I've seen that same lighter other places as well, also at excellent prices of course.
FWIW I remove the silly cap and chain.......
OF
OF
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Five months? Wow. Must be 'cuz you're so much closer?
Talk about your classical 'slow boat from China'.........
Last couple I got from DX were a couple of weeks at most. I just got two even faster from another vendor (which of course I don't recall off hand), perhaps I should try to dig that connection up as well.
Good show you bought a pair. Perhaps you can breed them locally.
I hope you get good service for your investment, modest as it is in money if not time.
OF
Edit: After a bit of head scratching I found where I just ordered two from:
http://www.tinydeal.com/refillable-jet-1300-butane-lighter-with-tank-p-2570.html
Near as I can tell it's exactly the same unit (just from a different vendor) at a similar price. Maybe best plan it to order one or two from each source and see which gets there first?
OF
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Nugg
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After waiting about 3 months (I assumed they would be coming on a slow boat because of how rediculously cheap they were including shipping) I contacted DX using their live chat about not receiving them. They were apologetic and sent the order again. 5 weeks later and they were in my hand.
Can't wait to get home and start testing them.
I'll also keep you posting on how the mini torch breeding program goes @OF
Can't wait to get home and start testing them.
I'll also keep you posting on how the mini torch breeding program goes @OF
VapourHaze
Rexcornish on IG, Vaping since '02
Been using these lighters for a few weeks .. theyre perfect. I got mine on ebay for under £3. Highly recommended
OF
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Agreed. A while back I think I figured out why they seem so natural to me. It's the angles of the torch head (just past 90 degrees) and the plunger for the igniter (close to 135, 45 degrees past right angle, the other way). This means the sucker 'points naturally' (like you would point with your index finger) when it's in your fist. Also you push diagonally with your thumb into your index finger, sort of a pinching action, to fire it off. Unlike similar lighters where you press straight down into your fist with no support, this one doesn't spoil your aim......
It might not suit others, but for me it's very intuitive......a 'point and shoot' deal. Very easy to control.
OF
Dear vapman family, I like to give you a quick update about the vapman station.
So far we tested the faulty station and guess what: It is working perfectly well, each and evry time!
Do you believe this?
Needles to mention that we don`t know anything about what caused the problem and which component failed. Was it a good idea to call all the units back? I am not sure about this anymore but what else should a company do in such a situation?
My feelings are telling me, that the problem must be somewhere around the heating cartridge with the thermocouple, I don`t think that the electronics failed. These days, electronics are very reliable, thinking about all the electronics we are using at all times, like now when I am typing these words into the computer.
All in all it is not possible to make any predictions about when and how we will succeed with the trouble shooting. We now are forced to go in depth about a few things, the heating cartridge is the first thing we will analyze.
Just a quick word about the blue light sometimes appearing when using the station. The blue light indicates that the station is above the target temperature and that the heater is turned off automatically.
The blue light should not come on too often but when it comes on it also shows that the control system
is working. In this case, the user just has to wait for a short while (30 seconds) for the station to cool down and then continue by turning on the station again. This just as a side note, it has nothing to do with the actual problem we are dealing with at the moment.
I went through the last comments and have to say once more: What a bunch of great and nice people on this thread!
We should all meet one day at Nugg`s shed in Australia and the next time in California somewhere, don`t forget about beautiful Norway and all other places…
vapman
So far we tested the faulty station and guess what: It is working perfectly well, each and evry time!
Do you believe this?
Needles to mention that we don`t know anything about what caused the problem and which component failed. Was it a good idea to call all the units back? I am not sure about this anymore but what else should a company do in such a situation? My feelings are telling me, that the problem must be somewhere around the heating cartridge with the thermocouple, I don`t think that the electronics failed. These days, electronics are very reliable, thinking about all the electronics we are using at all times, like now when I am typing these words into the computer.
All in all it is not possible to make any predictions about when and how we will succeed with the trouble shooting. We now are forced to go in depth about a few things, the heating cartridge is the first thing we will analyze.
Just a quick word about the blue light sometimes appearing when using the station. The blue light indicates that the station is above the target temperature and that the heater is turned off automatically.
The blue light should not come on too often but when it comes on it also shows that the control system
is working. In this case, the user just has to wait for a short while (30 seconds) for the station to cool down and then continue by turning on the station again. This just as a side note, it has nothing to do with the actual problem we are dealing with at the moment.
I went through the last comments and have to say once more: What a bunch of great and nice people on this thread!
We should all meet one day at Nugg`s shed in Australia and the next time in California somewhere, don`t forget about beautiful Norway and all other places…vapman
Herr_Dampf
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Is it possible that it's an frequency issue, like with the Evo? Would explain why they work allright back at home. Just a wild guess though and only would make sense if all failed units had been U.S. units.
I'd really hope it's that way, because I'm sitting here in Switzerland and I want one
I'd really hope it's that way, because I'm sitting here in Switzerland and I want one
justcametomind
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Hi all.
I have a vapman but never had the hang of it. I used it just a few times, my bad.
Notheless, I planned on getting a heating station since the happy feedbacks.
@vapman
Why don't you develop an adapter or something to use the station with a removable hose+chamber and use it like a log vape alone?
Price is on the same range and could be a plus.
Sorry if already debated.
I have a vapman but never had the hang of it. I used it just a few times, my bad.
Notheless, I planned on getting a heating station since the happy feedbacks.
@vapman
Why don't you develop an adapter or something to use the station with a removable hose+chamber and use it like a log vape alone?
Price is on the same range and could be a plus.
Sorry if already debated.
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utekai
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It is working perfectly well, each and evry time!
Do you believe this?
I do ... because it describes my vs1 spot on.
I did get to see the blue light one time, just after moving it from one room to another and upon plugging in and turning on the blue light appeared just after the red came on for a few seconds. Unplugged/plugged a couple times and it went red, heated and worked normally, I guess the 30 seconds passed during that time. Haven't seen it since but don't move it around very often.
The vapman + vs1 is the highest performing (ease of use, completeness of extraction, flavor) vape setup I've got with too many vapes to even remember let alone list out. But it knocked e-nano out of first place for home use and when out and about vapman + torch is usually what I take along.
I see people struggle with it when they expect it to quickly/immediately produce vapor. I tell them go slow and give the vapor engine a chance to get started ... keep the flame smaller and heat in short bursts of 3-4 seconds and then keep the inhalation going for 5-8 seconds before deciding there is not enough vapor and if not it usually only needs another moderate burst of heat for the next attempt. And the vapor seems to be best anyway when you inhale for a few seconds before the herb releases vapor giving more of a pure convection style vapor than a mixed conduction/convection.
Lotus Lighters are high quality and you'll get it in a couple days and currently for $8.
Vapman torches are also high quality and come in a nice box that holds the vapman and with a storage bag. I've had one going for over a year with many times a day use during that time. It's the only torch that gives you a feeling of 'idependence' - no other torch makes that claim.
Some people will buy a BMW and then put cheap gas in it ... to each her own.
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OF
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So far we tested the faulty station and guess what: It is working perfectly well, each and evry time!
Do you believe this?
Of course I can believe it, in fact it's what I would have expected. An intermittent as opposed to a hard failure. In all likelihood no component has failed in the conventional sense. A design/programing error perhaps, or assembly workmanship error, but not a defective part. They tend to fail hard, or at least repeat reliably.
No common part defect I know can explain the symptoms.
Was it right to 'call them back'? Absolutely. Advise folks of the risk. IMO no choice until 'we' know more, right now the product doesn't meet spec under as yet not understood conditions that can cause safety issues.
Exactly the sort of hand Murphy (of 'Murphy's Law' fame) would deal given the chance.
Anything is possible, but I doubt it highly. Failures in such devices are generally hard, they don't suddenly 'get better'. An open or shorted heater or T/C is generally very easy to spot. And the design of the unit should be such that it "fails safe" in such cases. I assume it is. That is a defective heater should (more commonly) go open and stop heating. If it suddenly goes 'too hot' (like shorted turns in the heater) that should be sensed by the still working T/C and compensated by the controller in due course (the owner might not even know it's happened as a duty cycle shift is all that happens 'on the outside'.
Likewise a T/C failure should be safe by design. In the event of an open the logic should recognize out of range readings and shut down. T/Cs should accurately return readings (one of the reasons they're so popular) or be easily detected for shorts and opens by design.
Other failure modes, like say leakage current rise in the pass element (electronic switch that turns the heater on and off) can be a hardware issue (perhaps related to heat) are more likely IMO. Software can of course cause this as well by 'forgetting' to turn the heater back off by being distracted or stalled. A common 'belt and suspenders' approach here is to have the processor key 'a hardware one shot'. That is a timer that independently turns the heater off again some short time later. As long as the processor keeps cycling it (resetting the timer), fine, but if that cycling stops after a 'timeout' of say half a second hardware shuts it down anyway.
While modern electronics is indeed very reliable in an appropriate design, that last part is not yet a given. Dell and Apple have made huge numbers of products, many 'first attempts' have these sorts of issues crop up. This is, of course, exactly why you do pilot runs and Beta testing? To prove the design solid in the real world.
By all means break it into pieces and examine each, "divide and conquer", a powerful troubleshooting approach. The answer is out there somewhere. If it's a rogue component that will be a job to catch. You'll need to identify and isolate it, then get that part to repeat the failure when transplanted into a different (problem free) unit. "Root Cause Analysis" can make you old before your time for sure, but confidence can only happen after that. IMO a 'top down' design review might be key. Examine carefully how the software handles things. How it controls duty cycle, does 'reality checks' and so on.
Until then, as the saying goes, "problems that go away by themselves come back by themselves". Not a good thing to leave running unattended.......
Regards and best wishes. IMO the HS is just too cool, the vape world really needs this one......or at least wants it mighty bad......or should if they know what's good for 'em.
OF
