Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Has anyone ever had a Burma Blackwood Underdog made? Got bored and looked up some cool wood types.
It's pretty. Kinda reminds me of my black walnut.
dimildarko
Well-Known Member
Has anyone ever had a Burma Blackwood Underdog made? Got bored and looked up some cool wood types.
Looks good. I'd say if they can turn it then it would likely make a good looking dog. I personally prefer those types of darker chocolatey brown woods. I went with the Ziricote in the photo below, it's the only blank laying down flat in the middle. Look Ziricote up, lots of cool pieces out there on Google image search.
NickDlow
Log Hog
Has anyone ever had a Burma Blackwood Underdog made? Got bored and looked up some cool wood types.
Just check with the main dog to see if it meets the specs.
Looks sweet tho
)Hi Underdogs! I've been looking at UD's for a few months now (I've been using a mflb since before I heard of Underdog) and my friend recently got an Enano that's just spectacular. Super smooth, way more efficient, and it whitewalls glass like no vape I've seen before. I figure that all logs are more or less similar and I definitely like the idea of an UD.
Personally, I know that I'd only turn it on when I was gonna use it, not 24/7. I may end up turning it on when I get home from work and leaving it on until I go to bed, but even that is like 5 or 6 hours a day maximum. Also, I'd almost only ever use it through glass. Sure I'd occasionally do direct draw, but only ever by myself so I'd only want to use the nylon stem anyway. I'd probably most frequently use it by myself, but I'd also probably be using it in a group as frequently as every one or two weekends, so if the nylon is a true one-hitter then I may want the glass assuming it's a bigger bowl.
My questions are given these use patterns, would you guys recommend the 17v econodog or the 12v underdog? My main fears are the longevity of the device and wanting the bigger glass bowl for groups, but the price difference ($140 to like $235?) is significant enough that if the nylon 14mm piece will be plenty and the 17v would last/work well then I'd think twice about it.
Also, could you still use a VVPS with a 17v econodog? Given how few vapes there are currently (sorry about your hand!) could I save some money by getting a simple custom one (not exotic wood, simple shape) or would I be better off waiting until some readymade ones become avaliable?
Thanks in advance for all your help, I'm really excited!
Personally, I know that I'd only turn it on when I was gonna use it, not 24/7. I may end up turning it on when I get home from work and leaving it on until I go to bed, but even that is like 5 or 6 hours a day maximum. Also, I'd almost only ever use it through glass. Sure I'd occasionally do direct draw, but only ever by myself so I'd only want to use the nylon stem anyway. I'd probably most frequently use it by myself, but I'd also probably be using it in a group as frequently as every one or two weekends, so if the nylon is a true one-hitter then I may want the glass assuming it's a bigger bowl.
My questions are given these use patterns, would you guys recommend the 17v econodog or the 12v underdog? My main fears are the longevity of the device and wanting the bigger glass bowl for groups, but the price difference ($140 to like $235?) is significant enough that if the nylon 14mm piece will be plenty and the 17v would last/work well then I'd think twice about it.
Also, could you still use a VVPS with a 17v econodog? Given how few vapes there are currently (sorry about your hand!) could I save some money by getting a simple custom one (not exotic wood, simple shape) or would I be better off waiting until some readymade ones become avaliable?
Thanks in advance for all your help, I'm really excited!
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Madcap79
Jack of all trades, master of none.
Customs will most likely not be cheaper. I think that a regular Dog is a better choice for you. The VVPS will be easier to find and the glass stems may be better for a sharing environment. Although you could get enough nylon stems to let everyone have their own. Then you just have to pass the Dog around. You may benefit from waiting for their 'refresh'. Also, they tend to have sales from time to time that can be worth the wait. Just a few things to think about.
I'm slightly medicated so hopefully this makes sense. Haha.
That's an interesting idea, it'd be basically the same price to get an UD or to get an econodog and 4 NonG stems! Would you expect an Econodog to last for an arbitrarily long amount of time (multiple years) if it is usually plugged in for ~5 hours a day? Or would I still be better off getting a regular UD and using glass stems with stirring and reloading for big groups.
Madcap79
Jack of all trades, master of none.
I think the econodogs will last just as long as a regular UD.
Heya Dogs, busy weekend so I won't be posting much.. hope you all have a good one yourselves.
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We usually have 'Vape Specials' which are typically normal UDs all made in a similar style and wood type and sold for a budget price.. usually prices in the $175 to $195 range depending on which wood is used. This would probably be the best option for you since you get the better (standard) core, compatibility with standard 12v accessories and 4 stems as part of the kit. The standard core pieces like these will also work well with our glass stems in case you want larger bowls than the basically 1 hitter size of the Nylon options.
An Econo-Dog is a limited time deal until I run out of the power supplies they're built around and is meant as a way to people to try out a Log Vape at as low a price as possible. This is to enable people with some very low budgets to get in on the Log fun and/or to let people give a Log a try with a lower cost of entry and then decide if they want to get a higher end piece.
So, the Econo-Dog is meant to be a hot running, inexpensive Dog that is designed to use the Nylon stems (and NonGs) but not the glass stems. It isn't meant to be paired with VVPS, battery packs, etc. It won't be as long lived in most cases as a standard Dog (differences in design, heating elements, etc), it will only be offered in simple styles and limited wood species. Also, again, it's a limited time product until the power supplies are gone.
We should have some 'Vape Special' pieces up on the site this weekend for those who are interested.
A refresh of other pieces is still in the works, I've been slowed by my gimpy (but quickly healing) hand the last few weeks. Probably still be another 2 weeks before refresh pieces are done.
::hit post too soon, oops::
We usually have 'Vape Specials' which are typically normal UDs all made in a similar style and wood type and sold for a budget price.. usually prices in the $175 to $195 range depending on which wood is used. This would probably be the best option for you since you get the better (standard) core, compatibility with standard 12v accessories and 4 stems as part of the kit. The standard core pieces like these will also work well with our glass stems in case you want larger bowls than the basically 1 hitter size of the Nylon options.
An Econo-Dog is a limited time deal until I run out of the power supplies they're built around and is meant as a way to people to try out a Log Vape at as low a price as possible. This is to enable people with some very low budgets to get in on the Log fun and/or to let people give a Log a try with a lower cost of entry and then decide if they want to get a higher end piece.
So, the Econo-Dog is meant to be a hot running, inexpensive Dog that is designed to use the Nylon stems (and NonGs) but not the glass stems. It isn't meant to be paired with VVPS, battery packs, etc. It won't be as long lived in most cases as a standard Dog (differences in design, heating elements, etc), it will only be offered in simple styles and limited wood species. Also, again, it's a limited time product until the power supplies are gone.
We should have some 'Vape Special' pieces up on the site this weekend for those who are interested.
A refresh of other pieces is still in the works, I've been slowed by my gimpy (but quickly healing) hand the last few weeks. Probably still be another 2 weeks before refresh pieces are done.
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srama21
Monotonous Botanist
I just received my new Econo-dog unit a few days ago and I haven't found a sweet spot for it yet. I seem to have to take 20-30 hits to get nice and baked. I've tried adjusting the amount of herb I load into the stem (nylon stem), as well as how far i push the stem into the heating unit, but i still haven't found anything that works too well. Furthermore, when I try to take really long rips my chest and lungs just feel really shitty. I'm sure i'm still on a low point on the learning curve, but I haven't been able to get any satisfying hits that make me cough really hard or even make me take a pause to realize how high I am. Can anybody help with this? I am vaporizing much more than a bowl worth to get really high while the entire motivation behind buying this vape was to conserve.
PS - I have a D020-D coming from China which hasn't showed up yet. I am hoping this piece will make a huge difference, but I would still like to be able to straight vape from this piece -- it wasn't exactly cheap!
PS - I have a D020-D coming from China which hasn't showed up yet. I am hoping this piece will make a huge difference, but I would still like to be able to straight vape from this piece -- it wasn't exactly cheap!
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TeeJay1952
Well-Known Member
Is your stem clean? (Can you see the mesh clearly when you look though it?)
Are you waiting until unit is hot? (10 min heat-up time)
Are you taking slow pull that allows you to hear the material "snap" as it vapes?
Have you tried other material. (Vast differences in strains, dryness of material and cure of material)
Is material a dark coffee color after use? (dry when rubbed, not oily nor should it leave traces as you roll twixt fingers)
Are you waiting until unit is hot? (10 min heat-up time)
Are you taking slow pull that allows you to hear the material "snap" as it vapes?
Have you tried other material. (Vast differences in strains, dryness of material and cure of material)
Is material a dark coffee color after use? (dry when rubbed, not oily nor should it leave traces as you roll twixt fingers)
Welcome to to the Dog Pound. Don't lose hope! Your "AhHaa" moment will come if you persevere.
Some tips that help me:
- Less is more. Don't pack too much or too tight.
- Be sure that you can draw through the stem before putting on vape.
- If it seems too hot, try pulling the stem away from the heater in small increments to find a distance that works for you.
- Rotate the stem and change the angle slightly to let the air take different "paths"
- In the beginning, I found it easier to vape very dry material. Let it dry in a session dish.
- For me, the best flavor comes from using placing a small bud(one that fits not stuffed in). (un ground) in the stem. One really tasty hit. Then stir. Then a real lung buster!
Have fun with the testing.
MrStrickland
Well-Known Member
good choice Ox45
MileHighLife
Blower of glass, grower of grass
Are you just switching from smoke to vapor? Combustion adds effects so switching from smoke to vapor can seem like a bit of a let down at first. If this is the case I'd suggest a week long break from cannabis and then start up again the following week with vapor only.
If this isn't the case and you are already accustomed to the vapor high then @DieHard and @TeeJay1952 have some really good suggestions and tips in their posts.
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srama21
Monotonous Botanist
Thanks for the suggestions guys!
My stem is clean, the unit is brand new.
I've had the unit plugged in for about 2 days straight now so I'm sure when I use it its properly warmed up
Initially i was drawing very hard and that was disastrous. Now i'm pulling very slowly, I do sometimes hear the bud crackling when i'm pulling.
I've tried 3 different strains and none have been better than others
After my hits the material is really dark brown, if its only golden or slightly brown i try to hit it again.
I've tried to experiment with different amounts in the stem, the amount of tamping, and the extent to which i place the nylon stem into the heat unit, but none of these manipulation have yielded anything good so far. I'm actually vaping through more weed to get the same amount of high from a bowl.
The one thing that i havent done yet is vape really dry bud. I set some of my bud out last night to dry and i want to give it a full 24 hours before i try to vape it. I'm hoping this will help.
So I stopped smoking like 3 weeks ago. in those three weeks, i periodically did dabs but thats about it. Prior to hitting this vape I hadn't hit any dry herb in 3 weeks.
Welcome to to the Dog Pound. Don't lose hope! Your "AhHaa" moment will come if you persevere.
Some tips that help me:
YMMV
- Less is more. Don't pack too much or too tight.
- Be sure that you can draw through the stem before putting on vape.
- If it seems too hot, try pulling the stem away from the heater in small increments to find a distance that works for you.
- Rotate the stem and change the angle slightly to let the air take different "paths"
- In the beginning, I found it easier to vape very dry material. Let it dry in a session dish.
- For me, the best flavor comes from using placing a small bud(one that fits not stuffed in). (un ground) in the stem. One really tasty hit. Then stir. Then a real lung buster!
Have fun with the testing.
My stem is clean, the unit is brand new.
I've had the unit plugged in for about 2 days straight now so I'm sure when I use it its properly warmed up
Initially i was drawing very hard and that was disastrous. Now i'm pulling very slowly, I do sometimes hear the bud crackling when i'm pulling.
I've tried 3 different strains and none have been better than others
After my hits the material is really dark brown, if its only golden or slightly brown i try to hit it again.
I've tried to experiment with different amounts in the stem, the amount of tamping, and the extent to which i place the nylon stem into the heat unit, but none of these manipulation have yielded anything good so far. I'm actually vaping through more weed to get the same amount of high from a bowl.
The one thing that i havent done yet is vape really dry bud. I set some of my bud out last night to dry and i want to give it a full 24 hours before i try to vape it. I'm hoping this will help.
So I stopped smoking like 3 weeks ago. in those three weeks, i periodically did dabs but thats about it. Prior to hitting this vape I hadn't hit any dry herb in 3 weeks.
Hey there Underdogs.. it's a lazy Sunday but we managed to get something productive done and put some nice Beech 'Vape Specials' up on the website. Still working on other pieces for a refresh but that will be a while yet before those are done.
Beech 'Vape Specials'
It's possible that your Dog is running a little on the cool side of 'spec' but it's also possible that it's an issue with your material.. either too moist, strains that just don't produce much vapor, etc. It's always difficult to troubleshoot things over the internet. It's also possible that you haven't fully acclimated to the differences of vaping yet, as others mentioned it's not quite the same as smoking and especially dabs. That all being said it does sound like maybe your temps are a little low.
If you're still struggling after playing around with all the communities Dog suggestions then please get in touch with Underdogette so she can try and help you resolve things from a troubleshooting standpoint.
Beech 'Vape Specials'
It's possible that your Dog is running a little on the cool side of 'spec' but it's also possible that it's an issue with your material.. either too moist, strains that just don't produce much vapor, etc. It's always difficult to troubleshoot things over the internet. It's also possible that you haven't fully acclimated to the differences of vaping yet, as others mentioned it's not quite the same as smoking and especially dabs. That all being said it does sound like maybe your temps are a little low.
If you're still struggling after playing around with all the communities Dog suggestions then please get in touch with Underdogette so she can try and help you resolve things from a troubleshooting standpoint.
srama21
Monotonous Botanist
Hey there Underdogs.. it's a lazy Sunday but we managed to get something productive done and put some nice Beech 'Vape Specials' up on the website. Still working on other pieces for a refresh but that will be a while yet before those are done.
It's possible that your Dog is running a little on the cool side of 'spec' but it's also possible that it's an issue with your material.. either too moist, strains that just don't produce much vapor, etc. It's always difficult to troubleshoot things over the internet. It's also possible that you haven't fully acclimated to the differences of vaping yet, as others mentioned it's not quite the same as smoking and especially dabs. That all being said it does sound like maybe your temps are a little low.
If you're still struggling after playing around with all the communities Dog suggestions then please get in touch with Underdogette so she can try and help you resolve things from a troubleshooting standpoint.
I'll get in touch with her if my dry bud hits are still weak and unsatisfying.
When i touch the log itself it seems pretty warm. On top of that, if i place the stem as far into the heating element as possible, my bud becomes black. I'm not sure if the temperature is the problem, but I could certainly see how its a possibility.
So this actually is not my first vape, i'm pretty familiar with plug ins and portables. I've used standard box vapes, volcanoes, 7th floor vapes and butane powered portables. I'm also familiar with the differences between vaping and combustion and tbh, I prefer the effects of vaping. This is why I purchased the UD in the first place. I'm certainly not expecting it to have identical effects to dabbing or combustion.
I think for now my best bet is drying out my material, I feel like i've tried every other variable I can think of.
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
Basically posting to subscribe to the thread and say hello!!
Im completely new to log vapes, and in honesty i came for the wood
but i have been reading this thread for a couple hours and im getting excited.... and a bit confused too though.
My only vapes are an Arizer EQ and an Arizer Air. These log vapes seem to be another animal entirely with different voltages, VVPS or dimmers, nylon stems working on some but glass on others and so on... Lots to learn it seems.
Just ordered a beautiful piece of buckeye burl from Snappo that i want to turn into a UD. It will take some time though as i live on military disability and have to save the funds first. But i cant wait, and it looks like there is plenty here for me to read and try and learn in the meantime!
So hello
.....Ill go back to reading now 
Im completely new to log vapes, and in honesty i came for the wood
but i have been reading this thread for a couple hours and im getting excited.... and a bit confused too though. My only vapes are an Arizer EQ and an Arizer Air. These log vapes seem to be another animal entirely with different voltages, VVPS or dimmers, nylon stems working on some but glass on others and so on... Lots to learn it seems.
Just ordered a beautiful piece of buckeye burl from Snappo that i want to turn into a UD. It will take some time though as i live on military disability and have to save the funds first. But i cant wait, and it looks like there is plenty here for me to read and try and learn in the meantime!
So hello
.....Ill go back to reading now
NickDlow
Log Hog
Basically posting to subscribe to the thread and say hello!!
Im completely new to log vapes, and in honesty i came for the wood
My only vapes are an Arizer EQ and an Arizer Air. These log vapes seem to be another animal entirely with different voltages, VVPS or dimmers, nylon stems working on some but glass on others and so on... Lots to learn it seems.
Just ordered a beautiful piece of buckeye burl from Snappo that i want to turn into a UD. It will take some time though as i live on military disability and have to save the funds first. But i cant wait, and it looks like there is plenty here for me to read and try and learn in the meantime!
So hello
Welcome, glad u found the thread. Check out the best of thread also, it's a shorter read. HERE
Use the search feature (check 'search this thread only') for specific questions rather than reading this massive thread.
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
Excellent!! Thanks for the link, there are like millions of post here.... I need a reading break already HAHAHA!!
Just got to this post and wanted to comment. Beautiful dog!! I dont see many other Shibas around. I think i own his/her brother
Is he/she the only pet you have? Mine loves people, loves my kids, loves other people's kids even... But Neko wants to eat all other animals. Cats, huge dogs, squirrels, birds, horses... He swears he rules the world. Still... i love him!!
And i altered the picture to keep it "kind of" on topic HAHA!!!!
Congrats to our new UD Winner, Clouded Vision, over in the VaporReviewBlog's Underdog Giveaway Picture Contest!
The winning photo:
Just got to this post and wanted to comment. Beautiful dog!! I dont see many other Shibas around. I think i own his/her brother
Is he/she the only pet you have? Mine loves people, loves my kids, loves other people's kids even... But Neko wants to eat all other animals. Cats, huge dogs, squirrels, birds, horses... He swears he rules the world. Still... i love him!!
And i altered the picture to keep it "kind of" on topic HAHA!!!!
Petro
Well-Known Member
Took me about a month to get the hang of my UD, so don't give up hope if you are disappointed even a few weeks into ownership. I am still learning things about it every day - it is a continuous journey of small revelations.
For me I figured out two/three weeks in that I wasn't even drawing hard enough. I was inhaling waaay too slow and the vapor wasn't even getting into me. I was also grinding too fine and restricting airflow. Now I prefer a semi-coarse grind - tiny little flakes compared to grains of sand if you can imagine. The heat really penetrates the bud compared to conduction vapes which need maximum exposure to a heated surface.
I am really attached to my Underdog now.
For me I figured out two/three weeks in that I wasn't even drawing hard enough. I was inhaling waaay too slow and the vapor wasn't even getting into me. I was also grinding too fine and restricting airflow. Now I prefer a semi-coarse grind - tiny little flakes compared to grains of sand if you can imagine. The heat really penetrates the bud compared to conduction vapes which need maximum exposure to a heated surface.
I am really attached to my Underdog now.
Chicken Charlie
MicroDose Cognoscente
This particular wood species appears similar to my Tasmanian Blackwood (pre-Snappo) Slender Queen Underdog purchased in 2012. Consider contacting Dave to see if this wood class remains in his inventory.Has anyone ever had a Burma Blackwood Underdog made? Got bored and looked up some cool wood types.
