BioSector
Well-Known Member
Correct, doesn't damage the charger but it draws wasted power. All chargers do as far as I know.
Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel
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Correct, doesn't damage the charger but it draws wasted power. All chargers do as far as I know.
lapsda00
Well-Known Member
Your total battery use time might be a tad low at 25 minutes. I am only estimating though as "total use time" on a battery is something that people haven't talked much about here. Most people mention the number of sessions they get off a single charge. Sessions vary in length but between 2 and 3 sessions seems to be what most people get.
If a session last somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes, ( I have had longer sessions as I'm sure others have too. ) then I don think your time is that far off. Maybe a little low.
What I question more, is the 2-3 hits per session? This seems VERY low to me. I don't know if it's maybe your material? Or the way you are packing the chamber, or maybe you are just "micro-loading" the chamber, but 2-3 is very very low compared to my usage. I often quit while there is still plenty of vapor coming. I would say I easily get 7-10 good draws. Maybe more, as I said, i don't usually finish. Too much for me.
Could it be you are vaping at a very high temp? I vape close to the default.
Yes i vape at 192 - 205 C , and i use pretty potent material.. just loading half bowl and killing it in 2-3 f*cking long draws.
if Storz-Bickel are sending new units in sealed boxes to people with dead crafty´s - has anyone tried to change crafty for mighty??? i think pay the difference in price between Crafty and Mighty while warrantying your unit ? I think about selling my crafty and getting mighty but maybe it´s better to wait till my crafty dies and than warranty change for mighty.
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Tek
Well-Known Member
2.07 huh, I ordered mine direct less than a month ago and got a 2.06 version.
Pjake
It's all in the reflexes.
It's the ambient temp to optimal that takes all the battery. Once it hits temp it takes a lot less to maintain. It's one of my issues with my crafty. It sucks as a one hitter.
HellsWindStaff
Dharma Initiate
I've done a bit of research, and haven't been able to find a conclusive answer, maybe you guy's know.
I've been looking into a Mighty for a while...the idea of the top, near the oven, cracking, just from normal use, just really puts me off. Personally find it hard to shell out that kind of money if it's going to degrade like that. Regardless of how great customer service may be, I don't want to actually have to deal with customer service
But, does the Crafty have the same problem? Cracks that appear near the oven, can't tell if you're vaping plastic or not?
I don't even know if I'm seriously considering one, but I am genuinely curious if users of the Crafty are experiencing the same problem.
The USB Powerbank has almost sold me on it....I value a good battery life, so the idea of being able to pop on a bank to extend it seems really sweet. (I have powerbanks) Does it harm the unit working in this way? Because I guess it's considered using while charging? I hadn't looked into that at all, just was a thought that came while writing.
I've been looking into a Mighty for a while...the idea of the top, near the oven, cracking, just from normal use, just really puts me off. Personally find it hard to shell out that kind of money if it's going to degrade like that. Regardless of how great customer service may be, I don't want to actually have to deal with customer service
But, does the Crafty have the same problem? Cracks that appear near the oven, can't tell if you're vaping plastic or not?
I don't even know if I'm seriously considering one, but I am genuinely curious if users of the Crafty are experiencing the same problem.
The USB Powerbank has almost sold me on it....I value a good battery life, so the idea of being able to pop on a bank to extend it seems really sweet. (I have powerbanks) Does it harm the unit working in this way? Because I guess it's considered using while charging? I hadn't looked into that at all, just was a thought that came while writing.
YetAnotherUsername
Youngster vaporist
lapsda00
Well-Known Member
I've done a bit of research, and haven't been able to find a conclusive answer, maybe you guy's know.
I've been looking into a Mighty for a while...the idea of the top, near the oven, cracking, just from normal use, just really puts me off. Personally find it hard to shell out that kind of money if it's going to degrade like that. Regardless of how great customer service may be, I don't want to actually have to deal with customer service
But, does the Crafty have the same problem? Cracks that appear near the oven, can't tell if you're vaping plastic or not?
I don't even know if I'm seriously considering one, but I am genuinely curious if users of the Crafty are experiencing the same problem.
The USB Powerbank has almost sold me on it....I value a good battery life, so the idea of being able to pop on a bank to extend it seems really sweet. (I have powerbanks) Does it harm the unit working in this way? Because I guess it's considered using while charging? I hadn't looked into that at all, just was a thought that came while writing.
The problem with cracks near the oven appears in crafty thread too.I think that´s the same as with mighty. But imo that was old units (first sold) these units had different - a little bigger seal rings which causes the cracks. Newer unit comes with the new o-rings which prevents cracking.
Using it with a powerbank can´t cause the damage. Its not healthy for the battery. But Storz-Bickel sells a powerbank for crafty so they actually advise it. Don´t be afraid you´ll be under warranty! My crafty is at 65 hours without any cracks or problems.
Tek
Well-Known Member
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the issue with the casing is fixed with a stronger plastic. If it's anything like the plenty, I've had mine for two years with heavy heavy use and no issues with the plastic. Also people with battery problems I'm interested if you charge the battery while it's still hot and the amperage of the charger. I always wait until it's under 100°F and only charge 1 amp out, never while I'm using it. We'll see how long it lasts, 11 hours on it right now.
UnshavenFish
Well-Known Member
What you explain is normal
the people getting longer run time are using the crafty as a session vape and your usage is more like an on demand vape, I can get 6 bowls finished in 6 sessions (crazy fast and hard) similar to your usage but when I fill a bowl I finish it before turning crafty off, this is why I get more bowls as getting upto temp as mentioned uses more power than maintaining temp, you need to think of it more as power used rather than time elapsed.The average user will normally get 3-4 bowls lasting 8-12 minutes per bowl (each bowl finished each time), so less heat up cycles 3-4 compared with your 7-8 heat up cycles per charge (if I understood correct, 3 heat ups per bowl and 2.5 bowls per charge gives roughly 7-8 heat ups)
I've done a bit of research, and haven't been able to find a conclusive answer, maybe you guy's know.
I've been looking into a Mighty for a while...the idea of the top, near the oven, cracking, just from normal use, just really puts me off. Personally find it hard to shell out that kind of money if it's going to degrade like that. Regardless of how great customer service may be, I don't want to actually have to deal with customer service
But, does the Crafty have the same problem? Cracks that appear near the oven, can't tell if you're vaping plastic or not?
I don't even know if I'm seriously considering one, but I am genuinely curious if users of the Crafty are experiencing the same problem.
The USB Powerbank has almost sold me on it....I value a good battery life, so the idea of being able to pop on a bank to extend it seems really sweet. (I have powerbanks) Does it harm the unit working in this way? Because I guess it's considered using while charging? I hadn't looked into that at all, just was a thought that came while writing.
Everyone that buys a crafty of mighty at somepoint will have to deal with customer service, as the battery even with the most care taken will degrade over time and it's not made to be user changeable, having said that IMO the average user should get 1-2 year before it needs replaced although this will vary on usage.
And your correct it's not true pass through, it is charging while using (it takes longer to charge than to empty with use, this means it uses more power than the charger can supply), doing this will kill battery life/capacity quicker than normal use, think of a laptop when first new the battery has good life, but if used while plugged in over time the battery gets worse quicker than normal, this is why I remove the battery when using a laptop while plugged in (unfortunalty with the crafty we don't have this option)
The crafty is designed to be used like this, but IMO I see it as something it can do rather than something for regular use, I mean if you want to run a vape from a power cord that's what desktops are for really.
In reality IMO the best way to use a power bank would be, after a bowl or two (should be enough for most users) plug it in and charge it up (while not using it in the time before you next need a hit) giving a shorter charge time and no extra stress on the battery, and only use while charging in desperate times.
And I think the cracking plastic has been resolved now with o-rings and new moulding, seems like a while since anyone has posted issues with their crafty (and I guess S&B after finding a fix would apply it to both units not just one) I could be wrong here and things could develop in time but so far all seems good.
So I was flipping through the manual on the "new/warranty" replacement and I came upon something I hadn't noticed before.
S&B says not only disconnect the charger cord from the crafty, but also unplug the charger itself.
Does everybody do that? Does having the charger plugged in all the time have some negative consequences that anybody knows of? I've never seen that recommendation from other rechargeable vapes.
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I always unplug my charger but that only because I have a charger box (otherwise they end up lost, never remember where I left them)
IMO it's probably as not all country's have switches on their outlets, being in the UK we do, so as long as it's switched off the power is cut, being unfamiliar with other country's electric outlets I cant comment on safety there, but from a power used side it will be minimal similar to phone chargers.
Something worth checking would be if while charger is plugged in but not connected to crafty, does it get warm/hot, if it does to my understanding heat ain't good for any electronics.
On a different note I have been a little quiet here as I has been finding strange things going on with my crafty...strange but not bad.
From day one my heat up time has been around 2:30, but once I hit 20 hours for some reason it is now more like 1:50
I really don't understand, there was a point I thought I had worked it out 
after a clock I use needed a battery change...but then I thought about it and that would be backwards 
as a slow running clock would give a shorter heat up then longer with new battery and mine went from longer to shorter, so back to just complete I do feel a little closer with my crafty atleast as we are both as backwards as eachother
This is the reason I have held off posting here:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/crafty-warmup-time-comparison-thread.18129/
Once I figure it out or it settles I will add my results.
Sinclue
OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
Well, of course, there is always going to be a point at which it advances to the next firmware. The guy at Crafty said he was giving me a unit from a shipment they had just received so maybe firmware update is very recent.
I'm not very tech savvy but wouldn't it make sense to be able to update the firmware via the App? Or is that technologically possible?
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UnshavenFish
Well-Known Member
I don't think there have been many people with battery "problems" it's mostly confusion when people compare runtime, bowls and sessions without taking into account all the variables, there are reports of longer heat up or less 'runtime' but these are mostly with heavy users (higher hour units) and batteries don't last forever although IMO they should last longer than some of them have before issues if the issues are battery related, what @Sinclue mentioned about a new battery company means for some reason they weren't happy with some aspect of it so maybe they have now cracked it, I'm looking forward to see how the new firmware acts and how the new battery performs.
And a slower charge/lower A rating is always best, but even at 1A I don't think it's much less than the crafty uses with standard charger (at a guess 1.3-1.5A) although this is just speculation as I haven't checked yet as I don't have a USB option...I feel a purchase or DIY project coming up
, but even a little less is better (kinder to the battery) and the steps you mention should put you on the road to a happy battery Well, of course, there is always going to be a point at which it advances to the next firmware. The guy at Crafty said he was giving me a unit from a shipment they had just received so maybe firmware update is very recent.
I'm not very tech savvy but wouldn't it make sense to be able to update the firmware via the App? Or is that technologically possible?
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It makes sense
and I'm sure it could be possible, be it from the app or as a download via laptop, just like a user changeable battery makes sense and is possible, but I'm sure S&B have their reasons (like user error, remove the user and get less errors maybe) whatever their reasons are we are stuck with them
unless they change their minds.I can't make my mind up if the amount of firmware changes is a good or bad thing
I think we are at 3 this year now, it's good that they keep trying to improve, but at the same time it seems like they have had to improve a lot but with little noticeable changes, I would like to see a list of all the versions and what was changed but I think it's a secret or I've missed it.
golden164325
Member
Just an update - S&B turned around my Crafty in a day, and sent it back USPS 2-day. I got a brand new Crafty box, with firmware 2.07. It connected up to my Android v5.x (Lollipop) snip-snap. I must say - I think the Crafty is a bit expensive for what you get, but the Customer Service is excellent, and makes me feel really good about my decision to buy from them.
With my Crafty out for service, I was enjoying my Mighty this weekend. It's a really impressive device, too.
Thank goodness for amazing technology. We live in a great time.
Dankenstein
New Member
So about a week ago, I ordered a Crafty from Vapefiend. I was a bit hesitant to order from overseas, but the great feedback about them both here & anywhere else I looked convinced me to give it a go. The $266 pricetag to my door helped too. The only bad thing was that I had to get a wall adapter because it'd said they ship with a UK plug. Anyway, it arrived Saturday; my first vape ever! Pretty fast, considering. Open it up & it had a US plug! Nice touch. 
I thought it had a bit of a plasticy taste just doing a little pull cold and empty. I thought a bit of a burn in might ameliorate that. I guess it did.![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
I've only tried a handful of vapes, but I sure do like this thing. I kept going back and forth trying to decide between buying this or its big brother. I went with the smaller one because it suits me better. CY016XXX. No regrets eight bowls in.
The ABV is lighter than I expected, even on boost until I can't see shit. I've just been trashing it. Should I not? People have said it's not really worth it with this device.
Great taste for sure, especially that first long, slow draw. I think people much more experienced than I am have given great reviews, so I can't add much beyond the vape virgin experience. I think it's been a great vape so far.
I've been following this site off & on for ..shit, the past year or so? Now that I finally own a vaporizer, I feel more qualified to join a site with such wise vapers
(vapors?
). It's a great community that I'm delighted to join. 
Thanks to you combustion fuckers, I've already got my next two vape purchases tentatively lined up. 
One a month, that's not too much, right? 
Sorry if this post reads a little, but I'm a little 
, & now I 
I thought it had a bit of a plasticy taste just doing a little pull cold and empty. I thought a bit of a burn in might ameliorate that. I guess it did.
I've only tried a handful of vapes, but I sure do like this thing. I kept going back and forth trying to decide between buying this or its big brother. I went with the smaller one because it suits me better. CY016XXX. No regrets eight bowls in.
The ABV is lighter than I expected, even on boost until I can't see shit. I've just been trashing it. Should I not? People have said it's not really worth it with this device.
Great taste for sure, especially that first long, slow draw. I think people much more experienced than I am have given great reviews, so I can't add much beyond the vape virgin experience. I think it's been a great vape so far.
I've been following this site off & on for ..shit, the past year or so? Now that I finally own a vaporizer, I feel more qualified to join a site with such wise vapers
(vapors?). It's a great community that I'm delighted to join. Thanks to you combustion fuckers, I've already got my next two vape purchases tentatively lined up. One a month, that's not too much, right? Sorry if this post reads a little
, but I'm a little , & now I Just received my Crafty, the app is working on my Galaxy Note 4 with Android 5.0.1, the firmware is V02.07.
BioSector
Well-Known Member
Previous to 3 months ago the last vaporizer I used was some thing I got off eBay in the late 90's. It was a single fixed temp of who knows what with a whip. Just awful. We hated using it, the high came more from lack of oxygen I bet.
Fast forward to today and I've got the Mighty and Crafty and am blown away by what vaporizers can do now.
SomewhereOverDwayneBowe
Member
The Crafty slightly reminds me of a space age juice box that I wished my mom would of packed in my lunch pail. That's what I was thinking as I just enjoyed a session. I really fucking love this thing.
vapekush
Member
Hey there, fellow Crafty connoisseurs.
I have been using my Crafty for several months now and am thus far fairly happy with it. However, the Crafty does have downfalls, the most significant of them being the short battery life along with the tendency to overheat. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe the Crafty to have a perfectly adequate battery life whenever I'm using it solo, but I don't find the same to be true for a group session with 2 or more people. Given the Crafty's unparalleled vapor quality and overall ease of use, I've managed to tolerate these difficulties up until this point.
Next week I'll be going to the beach with several friends, and we intend to vape heavy - very heavy - like, all-day, everyday kind of heavy vaping. There is not a doubt in my mind that the Crafty will not be able to deliver in the slightest for an occasion of this magnitude and gravity. It goes without saying that I need a vape that will deliver high quality vapor to several people at a time without fault. I will also be doing a fair amount of hopping around to different people's houses on the beach doing this trip, so I need this heavy-duty vape to be reasonably portable. It can plug in, but it just has to be small. It also has to be fairly durable and ideally would not use glass. The vapes that crossed my mind (in no particular order) were the Mighty, the Vapman, and maybe a log vape like an E-Nano or Underdog.
I also think I recall reading on FC something about someone returning their Crafty and being able to pay the difference for a new Mighty. Is this still something that is possible, especially since I bought my Crafty unit used?
I realize this is a lot of stuff to throw at you guys but I'm desperate for your advice and any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot.
I have been using my Crafty for several months now and am thus far fairly happy with it. However, the Crafty does have downfalls, the most significant of them being the short battery life along with the tendency to overheat. Now, don't get me wrong, I believe the Crafty to have a perfectly adequate battery life whenever I'm using it solo, but I don't find the same to be true for a group session with 2 or more people. Given the Crafty's unparalleled vapor quality and overall ease of use, I've managed to tolerate these difficulties up until this point.
Next week I'll be going to the beach with several friends, and we intend to vape heavy - very heavy - like, all-day, everyday kind of heavy vaping. There is not a doubt in my mind that the Crafty will not be able to deliver in the slightest for an occasion of this magnitude and gravity. It goes without saying that I need a vape that will deliver high quality vapor to several people at a time without fault. I will also be doing a fair amount of hopping around to different people's houses on the beach doing this trip, so I need this heavy-duty vape to be reasonably portable. It can plug in, but it just has to be small. It also has to be fairly durable and ideally would not use glass. The vapes that crossed my mind (in no particular order) were the Mighty, the Vapman, and maybe a log vape like an E-Nano or Underdog.
I also think I recall reading on FC something about someone returning their Crafty and being able to pay the difference for a new Mighty. Is this still something that is possible, especially since I bought my Crafty unit used?
I realize this is a lot of stuff to throw at you guys but I'm desperate for your advice and any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot.
Mister G
Deceptively Old Fart
You may wish to consider butane torch powered vapes like the Daisy, Lily, Vapman, Lotus and VaporGenie, no worrying about batteries or plugging in and no tradeoffs in vapor quality (big thick clouds from all of those wood/torch vapes) if that is something important to you. They are all quite affordable too.
grokit
well-worn member
Just grab an external battery pack, and viola! you have a mighty with bluetooth.
chiefcombuster1
Well-Known Member
I got my replacement back last week from them. Was having an issue with it automatically blinking and at max temperature with restoring default as the only way to fix it. It was an 8700 serial. Sent from toronto to oakland took a few days to get there. I didn't hear anything back from them at all when I sent it in, only a usps email saying s&b sent you a package.
In my letter i asked them if i could buy a wear and tear set as well and they could contact me for payment. In the end they sent me a brand new crafty serial 155xx fw 2.06, and an extra cooling unit, screen set, and ring set for no extra charge. Including the stuff I kept from the original one I had, I now have 3 cooling units and a bunch of screens and basically at least 2 of everything. Certainly great customer service aside from them forgetting to email me about what they were gonna do for me. I notice this new one has a different charger than my old one, but other than that they seem exactly the same. I have a volcano so i wasn't vapeless, but its nice to have it back for those on the go vapes or when I just dont feel like cleaning and refilling my volcano chamber.
In my letter i asked them if i could buy a wear and tear set as well and they could contact me for payment. In the end they sent me a brand new crafty serial 155xx fw 2.06, and an extra cooling unit, screen set, and ring set for no extra charge. Including the stuff I kept from the original one I had, I now have 3 cooling units and a bunch of screens and basically at least 2 of everything. Certainly great customer service aside from them forgetting to email me about what they were gonna do for me. I notice this new one has a different charger than my old one, but other than that they seem exactly the same. I have a volcano so i wasn't vapeless, but its nice to have it back for those on the go vapes or when I just dont feel like cleaning and refilling my volcano chamber.
Just sent my Crafty back due to battery life / charging issues. Loved it (other short life span) and I hope to the get same level of customer service. How long did the whole process take? Was there in big improvement in performance? Thank you!
shaolinmilk
Well-Known Member
I noticed that when the unit/vapour gets too hot, the draw resistance becomes unbearable (At least for me). Have any of you guys noticed this as well? Also, how long can your Crafty vape at high temps (400F~) before it overheats and shuts off? I noticed my unit is starts to overheat around the 10 minute mark and will automatically turn off.
vapekush
Member
I've done that and it does not solve the problem with overheating. Should overheating not be a problem? Is my unit faulty? Is the battery pack an effective solution for your Crafty?
BioSector
Well-Known Member
I would expect it is still going to overheat in those circumstances vapekush. I know the Mighty is going to be a better choice than the Crafty for your all day usage but even it may not be the best choice. I can't provide any alternatives as I only have experience with the Mighty and Crafty. I'd investigate the butane powered options too.