Vapman

Ok so gave it a go and so far on settings one to two almost no visible vapor I'm assuming when it turns green u take adraw and put back then wait for it to turn green the repeat and figured by third draw would seen visible vapor but didn't..I went to three and saw light vapor and it was time to get dinner ready for the FAM..gonna have to kick it up and get somenclouds kicking..I do love the build of this thing..super sturdy and nice.

Like using the torch, you should do a couple of heat cycles before you draw. I experienced the same thing when I first tried it out, but 2-3 cycles on 2.5 before the first draw and that worked for me. The vapman should feel as warm as when using your torch

TNT_error said:

Like using the torch, you should do a couple of heat cycles before you draw. I experienced the same thing when I first tried it out, but 2-3 cycles on 2.5 before the first draw and that worked for me. The vapman should feel as warm as when using your torch

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So with the station there is a slight bit more warm up (2-3 cycles) required when first hitting the vapman on a fresh bowl?

Well that depends on how your settings are. Vapman suggest you start around 2-3 on the dial. Once it's warmed up, you could up the temp and maybe only need one cycle per draw. It's literally does replace the torch, just faster heating.

Do u lift it off to start another cycle?

Yeah take off and wait till the light turns orange again. If it's not undocked properly, the light will turn white or blue? Not sure what color that is

Damn it... i want one! Where are the videos?

So I flew out of town for a few days. Was going to bring VM but wasn't sure about bringing the lighter, so left it behind. Fwd a few days and I can't remember where the heck I put it. So today I find it and the lighter and take it with me. Get to the racetrack (classic sprint cars lapping), pull out VM, notice lighter is empty. Remember purging it when I put it away. Shoot. So anyways it's all full again now. And VM had been tested and is fully functional!

Station is coming soon - it's a housewarming present to myself. A warming present, geddit?

subway13029 said:

Ok so gave it a go and so far on settings one to two almost no visible vapor I'm assuming when it turns green u take a draw and put back then wait for it to turn green the repeat and figured by third draw would seen visible vapor but didn't..I went to three and saw light vapor and it was time to get dinner ready for the FAM..gonna have to kick it up and get somenclouds kicking..I do love the build of this thing..super sturdy and nice.

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As someone mentioned earlier in the thread (sorrry cant find the post) Try leaving the vapman in the station for 4-5 seconds After it turns green Before you take it out and hit it. You start getting vapor quicker if you just leave it in the station for those few seconds extra, no need to run two cycles.

I've found this method also helps make for faster torch-like sessions.

Worth checking out. ... and Thanks to whoever posted it first back wherever it was,

Enchantre said:

It was the mirror test, not after soaking.

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Thanks. And sorry. I was on mobile and had just a few seconds to ask in case it was something simple and not an issue to worry about.

And is relevant because I need to but some acetone tomorrow got cleaning the Golden whatchamacallit.

If I want to get things moving faster I hit my vapman with a few two second bursts from the torch before placing it on the station for the first cycle. I have mixed feelings about doing this because it almost seems like it defeats the purpose of the station.... I do it anyways

So i've had my vapman for close to a year now - still don't like it much!

the herb loses the taste way too quick for my liking (i think it comes down to me disliking conduction).

I mean i love the design of it, but function wise the lotus is so much better i really wonder why these two are put in the same category so often - other than being torch powered they have nothing in common.

Small loads and even cooking, pure conduction, is what I love about the vapman. The lotus is also a nice piece of gear, but it doesn't do well outside, at least where I've tried using it. Vapman is also more stealth in my opinion. I always had to stir the herb in my lotus no matter how much I moved the torch around. Both are capable of big rips, but the vapman does cook the herb nonstop as soon as you get the pan hot.

Why are they not in the same category for you? They are for me. Both have nice water tool rips, good taste at low temp (obviously it gets nuttier/earthier/roaster as you go up in temp, no matter what vaporizer). I'm just curious why you think they they are so far apart.

KidFated. said:

Small loads and even cooking, pure conduction, is what I love about the vapman. The lotus is also a nice piece of gear, but it doesn't do well outside, at least where I've tried using it. Vapman is also more stealth in my opinion. I always had to stir the herb in my lotus no matter how much I moved the torch around. Both are capable of big rips, but the vapman does cook the herb nonstop as soon as you get the pan hot.

Why are they not in the same category for you? They are for me. Both have nice water tool rips, good taste at low temp (obviously it gets nuttier/earthier/roaster as you go up in temp, no matter what vaporizer). I'm just curious why you think they they are so far apart.

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The lotus is way smoother ime, i get far bigger hits with it (true i can get hits as big with the vapman too, but not without burning my throat), the flavour lasts very long in the lotus and is gone very quickly in the vapman (taste is very important to me - i take pride in my hazes that flower up to 16 weeks and are cured for months). I find it easier to control the vaping temperature with the lotus too, but that may come down to having more practice with it. Lotus allows me to take one hit and put it down again.

to sum it up: with the lotus i can get desktop vape like hits anywhere i want, with the vapman it's always a compromise for me

You make an interesting point with using them outdoors, when it was cold outside i had some troubles getting the lotus to perform as i'm used to - didn't test the vapman in the same environment though.

I don't want to hate on the vapman - i really wanted to like it. But it just doesn't do it for me, that's why i posted on the thread - to add my perspective for new users who need to decide between the two

Mainly i think i put them in different categories because of the difference between convection and conduction...

The taste degrading is because the vapman stays hot once it's hot. Lotus stays hot (herb) when your drawing.

And it's not typically the cold, but that does affect performance on both. It gets pretty cold here. I was talking about wind. I can always shelter the vapman quick as I'm torching it, lotus is MUCH harder to get a hit from when outside. Even slight breezes suck for a torch. This is in the thick woods, in the yard, on the water, everywhere really.

How do you folks purge the lighters?

Hey @NorVape

I think @basement farmer said it pretty damn well over in the Daisy thread . . .

basement farmer said:

Lighters seriously piss me off when they don't work correctly. They really are the weak link in my vaporizing enjoyment.

Purging works miracles in my experience.

Here's what I do (it might seem over the top):

Leave the lighter somewhere warm for 20 minutes or more
depress the valve and release the propelant.
repeat the warming and bleed process until you don't hear any more hissing.
The idea is to get as much of the remaining gas out of the lighter and warming the lighter enhances the ability to do so by expandng it.

Put the lighter in your freezer for 20 minutes or more
fill with butane
let the lighter warm up and use
chilling the lighter allows you to fill it further leaving less dead space, which improves performance.

I know, I sound like I'm full of shit, but try this with lighter that allows you to see your tank level and you'll see with your own eyes. Prepare to be amazed.

It should work better after this treatment. Sometimes it takes a little cajoling to get it to fire up on the first click, but eventually you'll work all the inert gas out of the line and it will function better.

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. . . it seems to work for me. Many thanks btw @basement farmer




EDIT - ^^^DO NOT DO THIS WITH YOUR LIGHTER!
Please see @OF's advice below - putting your lighter in the freezer to gain extra capacity is dangerous and should not be attempted. I only need to be warned once . . . Stay safe all

While we are on yhe topic of lighters, does anyone know where one can purchase an original Vapman jet lighter here in Canada? I have found a few sources in the USA and Europe however shipping is upwards of $20 to $30 extra. TorontoVaporizer used to have it on their site but have taken it down in favour of the more expensive house brand "zeus". They give the zeus away for free (for a reason) with orders, however it is inadequate for my needs.

How about namastevapes @splitz They have a Discount on the bigger one

VegNVape said:

Hey @NorVape

I think @basement farmer said it pretty damn well over in the Daisy thread . . .

. . . it seems to work for me. Many thanks btw @basement farmer

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I very strongly disagree with this advice. IMO it's potentially very dangerous. Here's part of my rant to that effect from 'over there'. PLEASE FOLKS, DON'T FOLLOW THE ADVICE BLINDLY. "I read it on the web" doesn't always make it right:


I was just made aware of this advice, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Please educate yourself before you do it, it's not recommended by the lighter or gas suppliers (both of which would profit if you did it) because it's inviting disaster as it can become a "supercritical fluid". The 'unused space' is absolutely critical to controlling pressure in some cases. If you happen to get 100% fill, you have a bomb. Seriously. What was dozens of PSI can become thousands of PSI with a bit too much heat.

Ever wonder why the can butane comes in is so much bigger than it needs to be? That's because safety REGULATIONS insist on it. Same goes for the butane tank for your BBQ. The vent line is designed so you can't completely fill the tank.

That 'wasted space' is there for your protection, don't defeat the safety procedure specified by the makers this way.

Sorry to sound harsh, but this is serious business, guys get killed this way. It there's no 'expansion space' the pressure goes to scary high values. Those of us who use 'bulk fill' CO2 guns live by this. Here's the so called 'Navy chart' for CO2:
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/gasses/co2pv.gif

I get it most guys don't follow such charts, let me try to help a bit. Along the bottom is % of fill, notice you can fill past 100% ratings? That's because it's % of rated capacity, not how much you can jam in volume wise. Up the side is pressure, what will turn the container into a BOMB and in our case dump some dangerous (flammable and 'frostbit cold') gas to add to the fun. We have to avoid high numbers to stay safe.

The individual lines are 'tracks' for each temperature, notice they 'break' at the 'dome shaped line' as they go right and go sharply 'off the chart' at the point where the expanding liquid (with temperature) runs our of space. Notice those lines look like they can 'go to huge numbers'? They can. Potential pressures are HUGE.

SUCH CONTAINERS ARE SAFETY FILLED BY WEIGHT, NOT VOLUME.

Unless you really know what you're doing I advise strongly against this. If you do know what you're doing you don't need my advice because you already know how dangerous it is. The very sort of thing you can 'do hundreds of times with no problems' only to go a tiny bit too far next time and have a bomb instead of a good session. Literally.

Trying to 'trick' the system to get more in than it's designed for is very dangerous IMO. Suggesting to others doing so without full disclosure is just plain wrong.

Supercritical CO2 is a great way to extract the good stuff from weed, but the rigs to do so are very thick steel, able to withstand many thousands of PSI, not the 'under 100' your lighter or fuel can is.

Again, I'm sorry to sound harsh, but IMO this is very dangerous. Very.

Please make informed decisions and stay safe. Thanks for listening.

OF

Edit: On the subject of 'how should I purge' (the original question) my technique is to vent what will come easily, then refill with fresh fuel and dump again. A couple of times. Most of what you want to get out is dissolved and will condense out on the walls as the gas leaves, we want to wash that junk out.

Flushing (washing) is the only way to get some of the contamination likely to be there out. That is, of curse, the very sorts of contamination we pay the big bucks to have 'refined out'. Butane is a great solvent........

And, as general advice, never ever let a pressure system 'up to air'. That is don't let the pressure drop so far air (with moisture and such) to get into the system. This is exactly why the HVAC guys pull a vacuum on refrigeration systems before filling. "Waste" a few grams of gas flushing for insurance, but don't let the pressure drop to zero lest it suck some of the room in as it warms up slightly.

OF

I am trying some nice kief in the VM, on a screen (thin layer), with the VS at 2 now (started at 1)...

Yum.

Hubby did his first session by hisself the other evening, after I went to bed.
He loves it, too!

Enchantre said:

Hubby did his first session by hisself the other evening, after I went to bed.
He loves it, too!

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Most cool. Sounds like the man's good taste extends past picking the right spouse.

Congrats to you both.

OF

OF said:

I very strongly disagree with this advice. IMO it's potentially very dangerous. Here's part of my rant to that effect from 'over there'. PLEASE FOLKS, DON'T FOLLOW THE ADVICE BLINDLY. "I read it on the web" doesn't always make it right:


I was just made aware of this advice, IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Please educate yourself before you do it, it's not recommended by the lighter or gas suppliers (both of which would profit if you did it) because it's inviting disaster as it can become a "supercritical fluid". The 'unused space' is absolutely critical to controlling pressure in some cases. If you happen to get 100% fill, you have a bomb. Seriously. What was dozens of PSI can become thousands of PSI with a bit too much heat.

Ever wonder why the can butane comes in is so much bigger than it needs to be? That's because safety REGULATIONS insist on it. Same goes for the butane tank for your BBQ. The vent line is designed so you can't completely fill the tank.

That 'wasted space' is there for your protection, don't defeat the safety procedure specified by the makers this way.

Sorry to sound harsh, but this is serious business, guys get killed this way. It there's no 'expansion space' the pressure goes to scary high values. Those of us who use 'bulk fill' CO2 guns live by this. Here's the so called 'Navy chart' for CO2:
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/gasses/co2pv.gif

I get it most guys don't follow such charts, let me try to help a bit. Along the bottom is % of fill, notice you can fill past 100% ratings? That's because it's % of rated capacity, not how much you can jam in volume wise. Up the side is pressure, what will turn the container into a BOMB and in our case dump some dangerous (flammable and 'frostbit cold') gas to add to the fun. We have to avoid high numbers to stay safe.

The individual lines are 'tracks' for each temperature, notice they 'break' at the 'dome shaped line' as they go right and go sharply 'off the chart' at the point where the expanding liquid (with temperature) runs our of space. Notice those lines look like they can 'go to huge numbers'? They can. Potential pressures are HUGE.

SUCH CONTAINERS ARE SAFETY FILLED BY WEIGHT, NOT VOLUME.

Unless you really know what you're doing I advise strongly against this. If you do know what you're doing you don't need my advice because you already know how dangerous it is. The very sort of thing you can 'do hundreds of times with no problems' only to go a tiny bit too far next time and have a bomb instead of a good session. Literally.

Trying to 'trick' the system to get more in than it's designed for is very dangerous IMO. Suggesting to others doing so without full disclosure is just plain wrong.

Supercritical CO2 is a great way to extract the good stuff from weed, but the rigs to do so are very thick steel, able to withstand many thousands of PSI, not the 'under 100' your lighter or fuel can is.

Again, I'm sorry to sound harsh, but IMO this is very dangerous. Very.

Please make informed decisions and stay safe. Thanks for listening.

OF

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Well, I consider myself told. Thanks @OF.

I don't generally blindly follow advice from the web but I must admit that sometimes this place often seems to be something other than that, at least to me anyway.

The advice was well liked elsewhere on this forum & no red flags were raised at the time by anyone, at least to my recollection. I guess I should've carried out my usual background checks & investigated further. I was clearly slacking

I have only followed the advice a couple of times, thankfully without incident!

Once again, thanks for stepping in with the knowledge & an important safety tip for all.


Sorry everyone.

SoulCaptivesAreFree said:

The lotus is way smoother ime, i get far bigger hits with it (true i can get hits as big with the vapman too, but not without burning my throat), the flavour lasts very long in the lotus and is gone very quickly in the vapman (taste is very important to me - i take pride in my hazes that flower up to 16 weeks and are cured for months). I find it easier to control the vaping temperature with the lotus too, but that may come down to having more practice with it. Lotus allows me to take one hit and put it down again.

to sum it up: with the lotus i can get desktop vape like hits anywhere i want, with the vapman it's always a compromise for me

You make an interesting point with using them outdoors, when it was cold outside i had some troubles getting the lotus to perform as i'm used to - didn't test the vapman in the same environment though.

I don't want to hate on the vapman - i really wanted to like it. But it just doesn't do it for me, that's why i posted on the thread - to add my perspective for new users who need to decide between the two

Mainly i think i put them in different categories because of the difference between convection and conduction...

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I was debating between a Lotus and a vapman way back when and ended up going with the vapman because it seemed much smaller (the Lotus was like a pipe), but the tipping point for me was that I didn't like to have to head and draw at the same time. I understand that this may be both a plus-point and a minus at the same time, but I don't like to have to do that.

I do not own a Lotus and have not tried one, so I will not even speculate as to which is better.

I have a hunch that Lotus vs vapman can be very similar to Mac vs PC, Canon vs Nikon, etc - almost like religion... but I also think that there may another big factor: which one you tried first.

Have you noticed what happens wiith Live vs Studio recorded songs? -- If you listened to the studio version first, you get used to it and when you listen to the Live version you don't like it (and vice versa)?

No one version is better than the other... It's the same song, but you got used to one version first, so the other version sounds kinda weird.

I'm willing to bet that if I'd bought the Lotus first, the vapman would seem weird to me at first, and I wouldn't give it enough time and effort simply because it would be weird.

I had been using iPhone and iPad for years until they came up with the iPhone 6. THey dissapointed me so badly with that version that I completely converted to Android and now I can't stand iOS devices anymore... But I have to tell you, it was NOT an easy switch. The first night, I couldn't even sleep because I was so lost in the new environment, I didn't think I could ever get used to it. But I stuck with with and in a few days I felt like I'd been using the Android phone forever.

I think the Lotus and the vapman are two similar, but at the same time different animals and the things that one person may not like about one, the other will love, and the other way around.

Also, I remember a post on this thread by someone who had bout a vapman, tried it a couple of times, didn't like it and shelved it. Then (if I remember correctly), a year or more later, he read some noewer posts on this thread, tried it again and fell in love with it.

I'm not saying that everyone will love the vapman, but I'm saying that it's an eay vape to drop prematurely because the person doesn't give it enough time to really master it.

Same as with Mac and Windows, iOS and Android, pick whatever floats yor boat.


@NorVape,

NorVape said:

How do you folks purge the lighters?

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Every two weeks or more, I simply poke the little tube on the bottom with a Bamboo Skewer to release most of the dead air (or whatever is in there) and I'm good.

Peace

@NorVape I use one of my wee shatter tools to purge my lighter. Hold it upside down as if you were filling it, then use the blunt end (or whatever will fit) into the butane refill nozzle and press gently til stuff comes out. The first blast will be wet (and cold, wear gloves if you are sensitive), and then just cold. When all the pressure is released you have purged, and can refill quickly. Otherwise there is too much pressure in the lighter to take much butane from the can.

Good luck - wear goggles, and don't smoke when doing this - it's kinda like a small BHO run...