Discontinued Pax 2

Sockin said:

I'm probably dead wrong on how it works but the vented lid wouldn't make the oven work like a convection oven would it? I know convection ovens move air through the material to heat it all evenly, but the air coming through the vented lid would probably stay cool and not heat up, right?

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I wonder how the lid would function with fewer holes. With the current number of holes, I wonder if any air flows around the lid as it normally would. Or is the point to primarily have air flow through the holes?

I wonder what it would be like to have a lid with maybe 1-3 holes in the center that would have airflow speed comparable to the normal airflow path.

I ordered two sets of @Ratchett s caps, he has finalized them so this looks like an excellent odor solution if you want to pocket the p2, then you can put it in any case (eyeglass case, zippered pouch etc).

Also... Do you guys (who are getting dense clouds) use bone dry fine ground? , what dryness do you run with?

JoeMama said:

This brings a curious thought (especially since I'm medicated nicely at the moment).... We discuss the subject of how to get minimal "draw resistance", but if we take this too far, we reduce the optimal functioning of the device. SURE, there are improvements of course! Especially those provided by the innovative minds found right here on FC! Yet, I think we all know that there is a point of diminishing returns, and then we wind up with what works best for each of us.

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Does anyone seriously believe that PAX Labs wouldn't have tried a freer air flow? Apparently, yes they do. There's a large segment that thinks every device should have unrestricted airflow. The fact that designers might deliberately constrict the flow to improve the output is rejected and quite possibly not understood. The best solution to a restricted flow in almost all cases is to stop pulling so hard!

Since PAX Labs has told us that he oven lid contains insulation, I wonder what the effects of reducing or removing it might be.

pakalolo said:

Since PAX Labs has told us that he oven lid contains insulation, I wonder what the effects of reducing or removing it might be.

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If it's anything like the last oven lid (pax one) the insulation looks like wall insulation for the most part (cotton, fiberglass or whatever) you think removing that would increase the airflow?

WakeAndVape said:

If it's anything like the last oven lid (pax one) the insulation looks like wall insulation for the most part (cotton, fiberglass or whatever) you think removing that would increase the airflow?

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No, I'm saying that if you make holes in the oven lid then by definition you must remove some of the insulation. Does that matter? I think it probably does.

pakalolo said:

No, I'm saying that if you make holes in the oven lid then by definition you must remove some of the insulation. Does that matter? I think it probably does.

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I am not sure what people are after with modifying the oven lid. I don't think people are considering thermal mass, metal has more than the plastic insulated lid. This means it will take longer to warm up, and will require more energy to maintain oven temp (conductive losses from the metal lid). This will result in reduced battery life and prolonged waits for warmup and in between hits. Next up is the removal of air restriction... Pakalolo nailed this a few posts up. If you reduce restriction you will for sure draw faster than the element can maintain temp, again this is a worse situation than stock.

Correct me if thinking about this from a physics point of view is somehow incorrect, but I reckon that that is exactly how the engineers at Pax think, and that is how we ended up with such an amazing out of box experience.

adam_baumm said:

I ordered two sets of @Ratchett s caps, he has finalized them so this looks like an excellent odor solution if you want to pocket the p2, then you can put it in any case (eyeglass case, zippered pouch etc).

Also... Do you guys (who are getting dense clouds) use bone dry fine ground? , what dryness do you run with?

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I usually just grind it normally now, medium grind using a chromium crusher, and I don't worry too much about the dryness of it. I just try and pat it down well, and stir and pat in between hits. This has given me a better experience with the pax since I was never used to doing this with my SOLO.

Everyone's definition of dry or bone dry could be different but I'd say mine is dry to bone dry to get clouds

Vapor King said:

Everyone's definition of dry or bone dry could be different but I'd say mine is dry to bone dry to get clouds

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Just Vape It.

Edit: They just posted up oven lids in accessories on Paxs' website, if any of you happen to need one.

I'll vape it, but I need dense clouds or I'm not interested

So i have had my Pax2 for a while now and it is a good little vape!
Not for everyone and i am still trying to decide if it is for me.
Sessions are long and it requires numerous stirs and repacks and tamping downs to get everything from your bud, not a bad thing either! I can start and stop sessions as i please and it cools down very quickly so nothing is wasted, i cool down by inhaling large volumes of air through the Pax.

The finer the grind, the better but this comes with certain caveats as well.
Too fine and it packs in really densely and its harder to inhale. I also find it gets almost scorched closest to the plate. Awesome clouds with a fine grind though!!
I like a medium ground, packed in firmly and vaped on 1 and then 2 petals.
First session lasts about 20 minutes.
Then i open the oven and stir, tamp and try and to break the material down. This one gets packed quite densely.
Then heat on 3 petals and the first hit is overwhelmingly strong for me!
Vape on 3 petals for a while and bump it up to 4 to finish the load off.

So far the taste has been average at best. Any of my other vapes blow the Pax2 out of the water without trying IMHO.
On the other hand the taste has never been really bad and even when the ABV is almost black it still tastes okay...Weird!

I do like my Pax2 but am still on the fence.

This was the ABV from my session tonight outside.
Started life as Purple Kush and ended it's life as duff!

On a white paper towel with a black Bic lighter for colour reference.


And a close up


Satisfied with the results!
But now i have to go and hit my favourite Vapour Snob Vape to actually taste the Purple Kush.

lazylathe said:

So i have had my Pax2 for a while now and it is a good little vape!
Not for everyone and i am still trying to decide if it is for me.
Sessions are long and it requires numerous stirs and repacks and tamping downs to get everything from your bud, not a bad thing either! I can start and stop sessions as i please and it cools down very quickly so nothing is wasted, i cool down by inhaling large volumes of air through the Pax.

The finer the grind, the better but this comes with certain caveats as well.
Too fine and it packs in really densely and its harder to inhale. I also find it gets almost scorched closest to the plate. Awesome clouds with a fine grind though!!
I like a medium ground, packed in firmly and vaped on 1 and then 2 petals.
First session lasts about 20 minutes.
Then i open the oven and stir, tamp and try and to break the material down. This one gets packed quite densely.
Then heat on 3 petals and the first hit is overwhelmingly strong for me!
Vape on 3 petals for a while and bump it up to 4 to finish the load off.

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My experience with Pax2 has been somewhat different than yours. First off, I have not at all found the need to stir and repack the oven. I start on 3 petals and ramp up to 4 petals for the last couple of hits. My ABV comes out like your photo depicts.... Dark brown throughout the color of coffee grinds.

As far as taste is concerned, I'd say the Pax2 tastes good, but not great. I actually think it tastes better than the Solo, especially on the second half of a session. Of course, as others have said taste is well inferior to the Firefly and a lot of desktops like the Herbalizer..

What I like about the Pax2 as compared to the Solo is time and number of hits to full extraction. With the Solo it takes me upwards of 15 minutes and maybe 20 to 25 draws to get full extraction. With Pax2 my session lasts like 7 or 8 minutes and maybe 10 or 12 good draws. This is with .18g in each device. A Full Solo stem and a half filled Pax2 oven packed tightly..

I'm loving the stealth factor of Pax2, the clouds, the lip sensor technology, the ease of cleaning and the overall quality of the build. I actually like it much more than I thought I would, but everyone's use and needs are different. For me the Pax2 is currently my go to portable!!

How is the pax 2 with the press ? Does it give good clouds and taste the same?

adam_baumm said:

I'll vape it, but I need dense clouds or I'm not interested

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I use a finishing grinder (a RAW super shredder...got it for $5) after my initial grind so the herb is close to salt consistency, pack and screen taco over the load to keep it packed tight with less and it gets pretty good clouds...i've actually been enjoying it for the last few days because I've been using the mighty so much I got the plateau effect plus I'm sure the batteries enjoy the rest...best $60 I spent (well $65 with grinder)

steama said:

Last night I was interrupted half way through a session and had to shut down my Pax2 loaded with a fresh full oven. I am the type of vaper that has always insisted on a fresh load for every session because I have never been satisfied with vapor from a half-baked oven. When I went back to test what was left from my interrupted session the Pax2 seriously surprised me. The vapor was wonderful and very worthwhile. I am happy I tried this because it was trash in the past which means less waste.

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I agree...I've done this myself....finished a load days later, and it tasted fine.

The p2 is technically a session vape, yet, used properly, can straddle the line between on-demand and session use.

I use a full packed oven. I would not be able to vaporize that amount in one sitting (or lying down for that matter). After I get to the desired state, I turn it off and continue to draw in order to clear the vapor and cool the oven and load.

I then return to it later and do a little stirring and repacking and fire it back up.

Have not been disappointed by the taste or effectiveness doing this.

adam_baumm said:

I'll vape it, but I need dense clouds or I'm not interested

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So get a FireFly and don't waste your time or money on a vaporizer that looks like another dumb ipod

Hehe, I use the mighty for cordless indoor, super happy with it. Pax2 is for stealth outings, so far I have had some pretty good results and some disappointing ones. Still happy I grabbed a p2.

Didn't see that anyone posted this article by @scott_dunlap .

That whole article talks mostly of the look and bragging rights, I am after good vapor which so far is hit and miss. I'm a dude I don't care if it matches "Gucci handbag"

JamesTiberiousKirk said:

I use a full packed oven. I would not be able to vaporize that amount in one sitting (or lying down for that matter). After I get to the desired state, I turn it off and continue to draw in order to clear the vapor and cool the oven and load.

I then return to it later and do a little stirring and repacking and fire it back up.

Have not been disappointed by the taste or effectiveness doing this.

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I also once it is turned off cool it down by taking strong inhales to clear the vapor. I find it makes the pax a lot cleaner.

I asked new vape about their new lid which is according to them is to increase airflow I did ask them if that might cause a not desirable cooling which they did not answer. They said they were creating a lid for the original pax.

adam_baumm said:

That whole article talks mostly of the look and bragging rights, I am after good vapor which so far is hit and miss. I'm a dude I don't care if it matches "Gucci handbag"

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This is why you will never sell half a million vapourizers.

If good vapour is hit and miss, then the problem is either your technique or your material. The Pax 2 itself runs a poor third in that race.

Its technique. Dispensary BC bud so no problems there . Guess I am spoiled by mighty.

Do you use very dry herbs?

adam_baumm said:

Hehe, I use the mighty for cordless indoor, super happy with it. Pax2 is for stealth outings, so far I have had some pretty good results and some disappointing ones. Still happy I grabbed a p2.

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I want a Mighty, hearing all these good things about it. But I do love my Pax 2 because it's just what I wanted in a vape when I bought it, and like I said I have been able to get big dense clouds by packing it down when it stops producing thick vapor

adam_baumm said:

Hehe, I use the mighty for cordless indoor, super happy with it. Pax2 is for stealth outings, so far I have had some pretty good results and some disappointing ones. Still happy I grabbed a p2.

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Same here, the mighty WAS my daily driver in all situations I really dislike things about the crafty even though I'm glad I have it
I didn't think the p2 was even worth a shot, but I'm glad I have it and because I do, I can feel comfortable leaving the mighty at home safe and sound
I suffer from VAS, so I'm sure this isn't my last stop to vapor-ville...but for now the Mighty and P2 are a winning combo