Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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Pining for the Mountains
In my opinion the Cera concentrate invention was terrible. There really was no way you could clean a Cera concentrate cart aside from tearing it apart to rebuild it. I view the way the Cera concentrate cart functioned as a partially failed attempt at a solution to do concentrates in a portable. The Cera concentrate cart's problem was unfortunately designed into it. You really need a way to clean this type of device.
I am out of the concentrate scene, however, a wise person would leave the Cera where it lies. It is a defunct situation you would be buying into.
Come on now, the Cera loose leaf cart especially sucked.
I had to send my Cera back to Thermovape six times before I happily sold both!
I'd have to disagree about not being able to clean the Cera EO. With an iso soak-boil-iso soak, I was able to get it close to new. Perhaps you were feeding it concentrates of questionable quality? It also helped to clean it before it got too bad.
I do agree wholeheartedly about the LL cart though. Never enjoyed that thing. Got too hot for use too quickly, and I never achieved great results. I'd get hits, but nothing amazing. My Crafty owns the LL cart without even trying.
Hey all 
It sounds like @Baby Doc might be after LL anyway & although I would definitely say that I have actually achieved some extremely fresh & tasty sessions with the Cera LL, I do now feel that the world really has moved on.
Back then it was all that we had, & I was more than happy to support the innovative spirit of TV, but the portable vaporizer market is a completely different place these days.
Surely you can find another vape to suit your needs @Baby Doc? Look around this forum - there are sooooooo many options now. Seriously, can you really get a Cera with no warranty or support at a price that makes it actually worth it when compared to the competition today.
Again, it's all only my
Anywaze, I do hope you find what you are looking for & I wish you good luck in your quest.
And no matter what, I think that you are probably in the right place
It sounds like @Baby Doc might be after LL anyway & although I would definitely say that I have actually achieved some extremely fresh & tasty sessions with the Cera LL, I do now feel that the world really has moved on.
Back then it was all that we had, & I was more than happy to support the innovative spirit of TV, but the portable vaporizer market is a completely different place these days.
Surely you can find another vape to suit your needs @Baby Doc? Look around this forum - there are sooooooo many options now. Seriously, can you really get a Cera with no warranty or support at a price that makes it actually worth it when compared to the competition today.
Again, it's all only my
Anywaze, I do hope you find what you are looking for & I wish you good luck in your quest.
And no matter what, I think that you are probably in the right place
OF
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While I respect your opinion, IMO that's all it is; one guy's opinion. And IMO very far from the common experience? That is most owners truly enjoyed theirs, many of us still do. There clearly are a LOT of experienced folks with good things to say. EO carts have many fans, IMO fed reasonably clean concentrates and following the makers instructions WRT to cleaning they perform very well for many grams of concentrate. Abuse them and they die like any other.
As it's no longer a viable option in the market I fail to see the advantage to repeatedly bash the product. No need to warn the OP off, he's not about to buy one. Were that option still be open (if TV made them still) I'd no doubt be suggesting the OP consider it, and I'm confident I would not be alone there.
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Me too, although I usually save it for 'special times' since I will see it as a great loss when my last EO core (I still have two) dies. I also run LL cores, probably more often than EO, but mostly with bubble hash rather than herb. IMO it really excels with bubble. That two will be a loss should both my LL carts die, but since you can clean them better/easier they don't simply foul out from contamination build up like EO can. I expect them to last a very long time.
To frustrate this local supplies of bubble seem to come and go. When a good batch at a reasonable prices comes buy I tend to stock up.
A while back a fellow member offered me his Cera kit at a reasonable price, I passed suggesting some new guy get a chance to enjoy it instead.......I hope he is, wherever and whoever that is.
OF
Hey there,
Thanks for your reply. Ok so if i understand your advices :
- The biggest issue with the Cera is that there still no waranties of it
- Cleaning the EO cartridge is not easy
- Use the LL requiers some training but works well after learn how to use it
- It still one of the best portable vape (espacially for wax/concentrates)
If TV was not closed and so the Cera have a waranty, do you advise me to buy it? And if not, wich vape seems to be the best for my use? (Maybe the Persei oil 8 with accessories for wax and dry herb or the Crafty for dry herb and the Dr Dabber for wax?? Use a lighter is not an issu for me so maybe the Lotus could be a great choice for dry herb? I don't know... just looking for the best healthy and tasty one for dry herb and concentrates)
Thanks again for your reply guys!
Thanks for your reply. Ok so if i understand your advices :
- The biggest issue with the Cera is that there still no waranties of it
- Cleaning the EO cartridge is not easy
- Use the LL requiers some training but works well after learn how to use it
- It still one of the best portable vape (espacially for wax/concentrates)
If TV was not closed and so the Cera have a waranty, do you advise me to buy it? And if not, wich vape seems to be the best for my use? (Maybe the Persei oil 8 with accessories for wax and dry herb or the Crafty for dry herb and the Dr Dabber for wax?? Use a lighter is not an issu for me so maybe the Lotus could be a great choice for dry herb? I don't know... just looking for the best healthy and tasty one for dry herb and concentrates)
Thanks again for your reply guys!
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OF
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If TV was still in business as it once was I think it'd be a whole different thing. Under those conditions I'd continue to recommend them, but that's not useful since they are not.
I think 'what vape do you recommend for me?' is a great question to ask, but this is the wrong Forum to ask it on. You should be posting this on "Ask FC":
http://fuckcombustion.com/forums/ask-fc.9/
Ask it with as many important details as you can think of. Expect a wider spectrum of experienced members with more useful information. FWIW my personal recommendations would probably include Solo and a number of the more popular 'vape pens'.
Good luck with it.
OF
OF
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Less money in than going out. The traditional reason I think. There are any number of theories for how/why that happens in general as well as TV specifically. Let's remember, that is the normal thing to happen. Most small businesses fail. In some markets it's nearly guaranteed. The Chinese wisely say 'it is easy to open a shop, hard to keep it open'. They're right.
My personal view is they blew the "stick to the knitting" rule. Stay with what you do well. The first generation products (T1, Evolution, Revolution/DART, etc) are excellent, proven products. Cera was very close to solving all it's problems (basically down to strap connection and cost of materials) before Luna began a series of new problems. If the first generation stuff had been 'spun off' rather than abandoned we'd still have it. It was solid and designed to be mass produced on precision screw machines cheaply and in huge quantities (15,000 pieces was a minimum run). Likewise Cera. Now, of course, the IP is 'tied up' and will likely never see the light of day again.
It was great while it lasted. IMO the remaining hardware still is great (at least some of it), but more like a classic car? Once gone it's gone.
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OF
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Not nearly often enough, that's for sure.
Then again, as has so often been pointed out to me I don't travel in the best circles.......
I do have to confess, over the years I did depend on several British cars for daily transportation......and something handy to work on.....
OF
FWIW I still use my Cera quite regularly (every weekend) and have not had a problem with it yet. Except when it dropped off my lap onto tiles and broke the battery tube.but that's exactly why I had a spare
Is Cera a great vape? Yes... OK it has its weaknesses. The draw is a bit restricted but it only becomes a big problem if you try to put too much green in at once. It is a very fine line between too much and not enough.
And yes it does get fucking hot which rules it out for use with more than 2 people. But it works great and gives much effect for very little product.
Would I recommend some one buy one now? No the company went under and you can't get it repaired or really any spare parts. I'm sure you could get much better for the same money if you looked.
personally (and completly conjecture) I like the look of the lotus as it eliminates batteries so great for on the move and looks pretty easy to master... Heat and suck!
Is Cera a great vape? Yes... OK it has its weaknesses. The draw is a bit restricted but it only becomes a big problem if you try to put too much green in at once. It is a very fine line between too much and not enough.
And yes it does get fucking hot which rules it out for use with more than 2 people. But it works great and gives much effect for very little product.
Would I recommend some one buy one now? No the company went under and you can't get it repaired or really any spare parts. I'm sure you could get much better for the same money if you looked.
personally (and completly conjecture) I like the look of the lotus as it eliminates batteries so great for on the move and looks pretty easy to master... Heat and suck!
Mr Mellish
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FWIW I still use my Cera quite regularly (every weekend) and have not had a problem with it yet. Except when it dropped off my lap onto tiles and broke the battery tube.but that's exactly why I had a spare
Is Cera a great vape? Yes... OK it has its weaknesses. The draw is a bit restricted but it only becomes a big problem if you try to put too much green in at once. It is a very fine line between too much and not enough.
And yes it does get fucking hot which rules it out for use with more than 2 people. But it works great and gives much effect for very little product.
Would I recommend some one buy one now? No the company went under and you can't get it repaired or really any spare parts. I'm sure you could get much better for the same money if you looked.
personally (and completly conjecture) I like the look of the lotus as it eliminates batteries so great for on the move and looks pretty easy to master... Heat and suck!
If you're looking for something flame-based, you might also check out the Vapman thread. Awesome vape.
OF
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Good point, but not even close to the same class as Cera? I like VM very much, but it's a wimp next to Cera. Each has it's place, but I don't think they are good replacements for each other. Vapes like Bender are much closer to the same as Cera IMO.
They really are designed for different markets I think. VM is great, a personal favorite, but you need a bigger load and better heat delivery to support production to run with the Big Dogs.
OF
I still use my Cera EO every day. I clean the cart by holding it over the burner on my stove to burn off the gunk and it comes back new. I only put good oil in there though, never concentrates. Also I have 2 new LL cores that perform flawlessly. I just bought another body from a member, and own 2 Lunas that are spitting fire as well. I think the Firefly has the closest experience to the LL to date. These EO carts are tops for oils IMHO. I still think down the road TET will resurface with new tech maybe under a different name? I love their products (T1 still kicks as well!) Hopefully we'll be able to get excited again sooner then later when these beasts are re-released! Hey a guy can dream!
Czechyourhead
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With much hesitation, I decided to take my ti cart apart. (Glad no one was there to see my hands shaking).
Torched it and put it back together. Appears to be a success (minus the small part of the corner from the top ceramic). Not looking forward to doing it with the other 2 carts eventually.
That first puff off a clean ti cart was worth it.
I miss TET.
Torched it and put it back together. Appears to be a success (minus the small part of the corner from the top ceramic). Not looking forward to doing it with the other 2 carts eventually.
That first puff off a clean ti cart was worth it.
I miss TET.
Me too brother me too!
I just picked up a revolution its close i think
OF
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For sure you're not alone in that.
Sadly, it seems the IP belongs to a company (RJR?) that's interested in that not happening. Since they own the rights........
OTOH outfits like Vapor Brothers offer some useful 'load as you go' porous ceramic core 510 carts with choice of heater wire (including Titanium).
This is my personal favorite:
http://www.vaporwarehouse.com/site/vaporbrothers-dabbler-tube-heater.html
I like this heater (the metal body version):
http://www.vaporwarehouse.com/site/replacement-nail-heaters.html
I just picked up a revolution its close i think
Yep, different loading, same heater and core. Good find. If you stir between hits you can do a fair job with bubble hash in Revolution as well. IMO better than DART.
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Want to know what sucks more? TV made those. Revolution/DART was a 510 product (in low and high voltage versions) that had the one instead of four reservoir cores and a smaller (but same material) top plate. It was (and still is) 'a house afire' for 30mg or so at a shot with the right technique. Guys wanted more battery life (performance drops quickly when driven 'open loop' from 15500s as they discharge). And guys wanted to load more (hence more cores). Same basic performance, just takes more skills and pit stops.
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