Rick
Zapman
Nice pics Dadesign. Thanks for putting them up. Thanks also for trying a "show your wood" thread. We think our MZs are about as trippy as wood can be. Too bad it fizzled. I surely would like to see MZ wood compared to any other out there. But what the heck, we don't want to rain on anyones Parade, do we?
I will ship out several tomorrow that are very close to yours. The latest batch of wood is incredible. In fact I have to get in touch with our wood guy again as the pile is going down very fast.
BTW, all you lead conscious folks. Would one of you please post some sort of proof that there is ANY TRACE of lead in the vapor from MZ? We are all anxiously awaiting such important information.
Soaper, glad you are happy.
Rick
I will ship out several tomorrow that are very close to yours. The latest batch of wood is incredible. In fact I have to get in touch with our wood guy again as the pile is going down very fast.
BTW, all you lead conscious folks. Would one of you please post some sort of proof that there is ANY TRACE of lead in the vapor from MZ? We are all anxiously awaiting such important information.
Soaper, glad you are happy.
Rick
dadesign
Well-Known Member
fine I erased it
dude I am just speaking my mind. call it trolling or not. I just don't understand. but I will shut up..no one ever says shit when hennesy brings it up do they? or when he sends hate mail to me or others..huh.......NOOOOO. but I will shut up about it. seems it will never be a peaceful topic.
dude I am just speaking my mind. call it trolling or not. I just don't understand. but I will shut up..no one ever says shit when hennesy brings it up do they? or when he sends hate mail to me or others..huh.......NOOOOO. but I will shut up about it. seems it will never be a peaceful topic.
Rick
Zapman
Dade dude.
I agree with Iwien totally. Learn to let stuff go. Some stuff is totally created in minds, some stuff is a bit legit but let it go. On this and all posts here, you in a way represent MZ since you like it, good experience, looks good, etc. Fine with that. Or comments about stuff. Let people figure out what free speech is about on their own.
My Dad used to say "if you don't have anything good to say about someone, don't say it". Hard to do sometimes but the world flows much better with us trying that. Maybe it is not in your nature to be that way? I don't know but lighten up in a real way. Unless you want to change your opinion on MZ, then I could care less about you pissing anybody off.
Hope that does not sound too cruel on my part. I just want people to compare and make their own decisions, free from personal feelings about people on this forum.
I do thank you for trying to be different in your own way.
Rick
I agree with Iwien totally. Learn to let stuff go. Some stuff is totally created in minds, some stuff is a bit legit but let it go. On this and all posts here, you in a way represent MZ since you like it, good experience, looks good, etc. Fine with that. Or comments about stuff. Let people figure out what free speech is about on their own.
My Dad used to say "if you don't have anything good to say about someone, don't say it". Hard to do sometimes but the world flows much better with us trying that. Maybe it is not in your nature to be that way? I don't know but lighten up in a real way. Unless you want to change your opinion on MZ, then I could care less about you pissing anybody off.
Hope that does not sound too cruel on my part. I just want people to compare and make their own decisions, free from personal feelings about people on this forum.
I do thank you for trying to be different in your own way.
Rick
dadesign
Well-Known Member
your both right. I guess I am unsettled about the Pitbull coming after me with out me knowing that much..I tend to get pissed when I am called names and provoked for no good reason ohter then what I choose..
but you are right, learn to let it go and everything flows better.. last night I did that too I just let it go mostly because I was tired of argueing it. I just dont like being told I made a bad choice. I like my MZ alot..........
given that, anyone have any suggestions on draw...I have read some suggestions but it seems I only get one hit with visible vapor and the rest nothing. I am not sure if I am drawing too long and getting all of it out in one hit. I did start something new that is getting more visableresults I just wonder how many I used and still had some left in it
Update, I just noticed they closed my thread and took all the hate mail I received off my post...this censure ship is for the fucking birds. doent seem like anyone cares much either......it seems certain groups can put up certain threads that don't get shut down which are obviously skewed and created to start shit and they dont get shut down or censored maybe because they are the majority opinion and we all know the majority of the opinion or the lack of someone not wanting to speak up against it...rules..
I think I just need to go back to lurking again. or start my forum website.
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but you are right, learn to let it go and everything flows better.. last night I did that too I just let it go mostly because I was tired of argueing it. I just dont like being told I made a bad choice. I like my MZ alot..........
given that, anyone have any suggestions on draw...I have read some suggestions but it seems I only get one hit with visible vapor and the rest nothing. I am not sure if I am drawing too long and getting all of it out in one hit. I did start something new that is getting more visableresults I just wonder how many I used and still had some left in it
Update, I just noticed they closed my thread and took all the hate mail I received off my post...this censure ship is for the fucking birds. doent seem like anyone cares much either......it seems certain groups can put up certain threads that don't get shut down which are obviously skewed and created to start shit and they dont get shut down or censored maybe because they are the majority opinion and we all know the majority of the opinion or the lack of someone not wanting to speak up against it...rules..
I think I just need to go back to lurking again. or start my forum website.
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lwien
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I hit my PD stem hard (very long, slow draws and just below the coughing threshold) and I can get 4 to 5 hits with visible vapor. You should also be able to do this with the MZ. But keep this in mind. Ambient lighting has a lot to do with how much visible vapor that you can see.
Rick
Zapman
In my opinion, without further questions, I think you are just putting a tiny amount in the stem tip and not packing it enough. We get 3-5 good pulls out of a normally filled tip. When it is done(the goodies all gone), it will blow out as a plug NOT a spray. If it does not blow out, pull again. I am talking long slow pulls with plenty of vapor.
And remember, they run a tad warmer with age. Leave it on, especially when new.
On the old subject, remember, all governments,institutions, organizations, businesses, etc have an accepted 'flow'. You can buck the flow abit but once you go into the radar, they got ya. Try to stay below the radar through life and it will be alot funner. Like the customer who replied "I want it dark in the car at night" when I asked him why he did not want an led. Under the radar. Still happy and free but under the radar.
R
And remember, they run a tad warmer with age. Leave it on, especially when new.
On the old subject, remember, all governments,institutions, organizations, businesses, etc have an accepted 'flow'. You can buck the flow abit but once you go into the radar, they got ya. Try to stay below the radar through life and it will be alot funner. Like the customer who replied "I want it dark in the car at night" when I asked him why he did not want an led. Under the radar. Still happy and free but under the radar.
R
dadesign
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someone posted to do puffs instead and draw it in and out through your nose, that seems to have worked best so far. still seems like doing a stem is not like hitting a joint where one will probably get you messed up..one stem will have me feeling it which I like.. maybe it is the spacing.. when I vape, I like to maintain it and maybe that is it when I hit it I don't really feel anything but a continuation
as for the visible. I just thought maybe it had something to do with condensation more, but now that I think about it it would not do it only the first hit of every bowl..
I was hitting this other stuff I have and taking 30 second draws and if I opened my throat to let it go down, I coughed for sure but I felt it really quick too. I think the puff technique seems to give me the satisfying results I like for now..and still I have not used much in experimenting. dont think I will do much today.. it seems I have did about 10 stems or more since Thursday
as for the visible. I just thought maybe it had something to do with condensation more, but now that I think about it it would not do it only the first hit of every bowl..
I was hitting this other stuff I have and taking 30 second draws and if I opened my throat to let it go down, I coughed for sure but I felt it really quick too. I think the puff technique seems to give me the satisfying results I like for now..and still I have not used much in experimenting. dont think I will do much today.. it seems I have did about 10 stems or more since Thursday
dadesign
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it is suppose to come out as a plug?? damn I am doing it wrong then. I do pack them with the dowel but I don't mash it in really.. the air flow seems hampered when I test it but when I put it in to inhale.. it is not much more..one time I thought I packed it too tight because it was like trying to suck a wendys frosty through a straw. I figured that had to be wrong..for the most part as well I have been only getting half a stems worth in there. i am not sure how much to the tip it should be.Rick said:
Rick
Zapman
Since we do so much repetition around Zapville, much measuring is done by eye so the stem tip chamber can vary in depth by a mm or so on occasion. Generally speaking we never fill a tip full to the top. Maybe 1/2 to 2/3 full and we always tamp a bit. The airflow must be restricted to get the heated air at the correct temp through the load. The puff puff works good to START the vapor flow only, then a long slow easy pull.
I can not do a 30 second pull without 100% going down so I do not quite get if you opened your throat after the pull?
You will get it. Patience is needed for sure. Do not repeat what does not work well.
BTW everyone, just so you know it from me first. I stopped vaping and started smoking a few years ago after vaping for a couple years. I have been at it since '67 and I prefer the effects of smoke for my life at this time. If that seems like a conflict or hypocritical to anyone, that is fine with me. I know there are a few people out there who have known this for years so thought it best to do it this way. I surely do know how to make good vapor from a MZ though and do with every one shipped.
R
I can not do a 30 second pull without 100% going down so I do not quite get if you opened your throat after the pull?
You will get it. Patience is needed for sure. Do not repeat what does not work well.
BTW everyone, just so you know it from me first. I stopped vaping and started smoking a few years ago after vaping for a couple years. I have been at it since '67 and I prefer the effects of smoke for my life at this time. If that seems like a conflict or hypocritical to anyone, that is fine with me. I know there are a few people out there who have known this for years so thought it best to do it this way. I surely do know how to make good vapor from a MZ though and do with every one shipped.
R
dadesign
Well-Known Member
wow full disclosure huh.. I can never go back to smoking again. I cant stand that cough or the raw throat feel. maybe if I was at a party, I would hit a bong, if nothing else was available.
there are many us autoworkers who drive a foreign car. doesn't kill any quality. I am willing to bet this will be brought up again by someone else though..
but I stand by you though
there are many us autoworkers who drive a foreign car. doesn't kill any quality. I am willing to bet this will be brought up again by someone else though..
but I stand by you though
lwien
Well-Known Member
Wow. This is kinda odd. Not trying to be judgmental or anything, but it's kinda like going to a dietitian for help in maintaining a healthy diet, and when you walk in, she/he is chomping down on a Big Mac and fries.Rick said:
Or going to an oncologist and he's smoking a cig while informing you of your future options for cancer treatment.
I totally understand that you're decision to smoke while making and promoting vaporizers does not quite fall into the extreme examples stated above, but the analogies do hold true in a way, no?
I mean, if you don't have enough faith in the health benefits of your product to use it, and you don't derive enough enjoyment from using your product to use it, why should I, or anyone else?
It's kinda the same logic that I apply to product that only comes with a 90 day warranty. If a manufacturer doesn't have enough faith in the reliability of their product to warranty it for more than 90 days, why should I have enough faith in the reliability of said product to buy it?
No offense Rick, but all of this just doesn't make much sense to me.
dadesign
Well-Known Member
yes..yes you are..
this shit is like the republicans and democrats I think. R have no problem mudslinging but then when d trying to call it they get shamed into retracting..... calling it somethign different doesnt make it right
never have I sad the PD is bad for you and the MZ is good but that opposite is used all the time... go look at the the "is brass bad for you" thread......hmmm I wonder why that came about..... you edited that post to bring that up...that is trolling.. Tom does the shit too. Hennessy seems to be a god at doing it.
I really thoguth you were different too. at least you didnt chose a side...and dont tell me with this statement you didnt mean for it have that desired effect..BULLSHIT just because you put no offense doenst mean you can offend someone in this way.
this is all bullshit .. I am not about this shit. I am not going to fucking do it anymore I think maybe PD should now stand for Phenomenal Douche
I am off this shit. it is some fucking bullshit and you were the last person I thoguht would do this after giving all that advice from you.. I knew some others would do it but that is bullshit.....and you know what would happen to this thread when controversy is started....yep shut down..
this shit just gets me pissed off.. do as we say not as we do.
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this shit is like the republicans and democrats I think. R have no problem mudslinging but then when d trying to call it they get shamed into retracting..... calling it somethign different doesnt make it right
never have I sad the PD is bad for you and the MZ is good but that opposite is used all the time... go look at the the "is brass bad for you" thread......hmmm I wonder why that came about..... you edited that post to bring that up...that is trolling.. Tom does the shit too. Hennessy seems to be a god at doing it.
I really thoguth you were different too. at least you didnt chose a side...and dont tell me with this statement you didnt mean for it have that desired effect..BULLSHIT just because you put no offense doenst mean you can offend someone in this way.
this is all bullshit .. I am not about this shit. I am not going to fucking do it anymore I think maybe PD should now stand for Phenomenal Douche
I am off this shit. it is some fucking bullshit and you were the last person I thoguht would do this after giving all that advice from you.. I knew some others would do it but that is bullshit.....and you know what would happen to this thread when controversy is started....yep shut down..
this shit just gets me pissed off.. do as we say not as we do.
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reece
Well-Known Member
Aren't you making a bit of a leap to assume he doesn't have faith in his product? If he preferred to use another vape over his own, then that would apply. I can agree with you on the warranty thing. But at the same time, we are still making an assumption as to why. One could just as easily say someone with a long warranty period is just using that as a means to increase the cost because people love that security. It's just like the extended warranty many appliance/electronics stores try to sell to folks. The vast majority are worthless because most problems occur within the original warranty period (according to Consumer Reports). So, if a manufacturer feels the need to scam me with a unnecessarily long warranty, why should I support said manufacturer. Who is to say I am right? What I'm really doing is jumping to conclusions. I just don't think making unfounded assumptions about someone's intentions is productive.lwien said:
On another note. How goes the not drying your herb thing? I saw the post you made about it but forgot where it was. I've tried it. I'm getting visible vapor for probably 10+ draws whereas before I was getting 3ish. But I don't feel any more medicated. I think the extra vapor is water vapor. What's your take?
Rick, what do you think the difference is between dry vs. not.
lwien
Well-Known Member
A different perspective. Well said and respected, but I do disagree with your last statement. I think that it can be very productive to challenge ones statements regarding their intent, that is, as long as the person being challenged responds with what their intent truly is. To me, it's all part of the learning process albeit a bit confrontational.reece said:
Yeah, I get a few more hits too (no where near 10 though), and it is, more than likely, water vapor, but for me, I get just as high off of one stem by not drying it out, and it tastes a WHOLE bunch better. So for me, the bud goes directly from a mason jar into the stem.reece said:
reece
Well-Known Member
I hear ya. I haven't noticed much taste difference. Do you get good flavor throughout all of your hits, or is it just the first? I only get good flavor in the first hit whether dry or not.lwien said:
Is he sending you threatening emails? I seem to remember you mentioning that somewhere. If so, I'm sure Vtac would like to know that he is still using FC to send threatening emails to try and intimidate other members. It definitely seems to be a pattern. Keep copies of those emails.dadesign said:
I used to go from mason jar to stem too, and I agree I think its much much better then dried tasteless herb, I also noticed a difference in the high (not as intense) when I switched to drying it ( preparing herb all at once) I enjoyed the fresh taste much more, and for that reason I'm just taking a bud out at a time like I used to do.
