The Arizer Air

ehakim · Apr 19, 2015

UnshavenFish said:
Please don't use these batteries!

Yes they are 18650 but thats just the size, everything else is different and not just a little, they are
LiFePo4 (a lot more risky than IMR) and 3.2v so charging with Air or 'normal' charger runs the risk of these going boom. Remember the air charges to 4.2v (full)

Now the S2 is more like the OEM air battery although i cant see enough info on that site to say how much like them they are, i would always advise OEM batteries for the air, others will work but you will never gain anything other than a cheaper price with them, performance will be the same or worse, there might be some that do give more but it will be such a small difference you would probably never notice unless timing down to the second and even then there are other things (like heat up time) that can/will be affected.

The choice you have to make is either pay a little more for OEM's and know 100% your warranty is ok, or save a little money and always be wondering can arizer tell if I've used other batteries? (Now they probably cant but are you sure?)

Remember these batteries will last a good while so over the life the cost is nothing really IMO, and like others here i see it as I've paid all this money for my air and why cheap out on the most unstable part, maybe unstable is the wrong word but the battery is the only thing that could cause harm if used incorrectly or if bad quality.

I also want to point out I'm not saying all other batteries out there are dangerous or low quality, i have and use many others in other things, but users should get a minimal understanding of any risks from using these kind of batteries (what can go wrong and why/how it can)

Years ago when i first used 18650's in torches i bought cheap torches from china and went with the cheapest batteries i could get, now i consider myself lucky that nothing went wrong knowing what i do now.

I have bought, used and tested a whole load of 18650's 18350's 14500's 26650's and have found that the cheaper the battery the more chance its not what it claims to be.
Always stay away from batteries with fire in the name (this should ring warning bells anyways come on
fire + battery = no good)
I have tested some claiming to be protected but they have no PCB, some that claim 5000mAh that meter out at under 1000mAh and thats just the basics not even getting into C rating or chemistry.

In summary whatever batteries you get make sure you get them from somewhere you trust and treat them with respect.

Just my

Wow thanks for an amazing, concise answer, I love this community. I haven't got my air yet but I had these batteries laying around just thought I'd check to see if they work, and I'm glad I did

murf2010 · Apr 19, 2015

UnshavenFish said:
I don't have a mighty but do have the crafty and an air (amongst others), performance is a hard thing to pin down as both have areas of performance where they are best.

Vapour quality is something that is thrown around a lot and most people will say the crafty wins hands down but for me its not that simple, yes the crafty can deliver more vapour in a shorter time (more like a desktop) due to less draw resistance and a really good heater (i can only drop the temp by around 5°C when drawing really hard) but because of this battery life is compromised by a lot compared to the air, and taste yes the crafty tastes great but you can get the same even better with the right stem for your air depending on your preference.

Now effect, yes the crafty can get you where you want to be quicker (this is where the crafty shines for me) but it uses a larger bowl than the air, really you can/will get to the same place in the end, the crafty is the direct route and the air takes the scenic route but the destination is the same.

If you have the money get both, if your choosing just one think about how your planning on using it...

For heavy use the air might fit better as you can carry extra batteries and swap them out when needed so no waiting for charging if you have enough to keep you going, with the air you should get on average 4-6 bowls per full charge/battery, whereas the crafty its more like 3-4 bowls and then you have to wait 2 hours for a full charge.

There is a power bank for the crafty but even then its not true pass through, so there is still the waiting compared to the unscrew and put a fresh one in like with the air.

They are both great in their own ways IMO the crafty is more like a bong (the way i hit it) and the air like a J (something to take a bit more time with and easier to pass around)

Overall i would rate them very similar, both have down sides its just a case of finding the one thats fits your aspect of performance best.

I'm sure whichever way you go you will be happy

What an awesome answer. Thanks a lot. It's definitely something to think about for me. I really liked my solo, it took a few long draws to get some big vapor, which was kind of a turnoff for me, also the draw resistance was annoying for me. The mighty/crafty sounds exactly what I'm looking for but the price is just insane. true to say, the end result is the same. If this makes any sense also, I was the one that's more fun to play around with as well. Which has me leaning toward a storz and Bickel product. I'm also an insomnia patient so getting a big heavy buzz before hitting he sac helps me throughout the night stay comfortable and asleep.

CarolKing · Apr 19, 2015

When buying a vaporizer whether the Air or another unit it's so hard to know a head of time if your going to like it or if it's going to fit your needs. The only way to know is the suggestions of others. On occasion you may have a friend with a vape you can try.

Also customer service needs to be considered too. All the FC sponsors are great. I go with Puffitup and Planetvape a lot. FCer @stickstones sells vaporizers too, he's also a good resource.

jojo0420 · Apr 19, 2015

In honor the Holiday Weekend I broke out the big boy glass.

With all the diffusion in this big guy I go straight to red. Take the biggest hit I can, and have to blow out the cloud to believe how big it is! Super smooth.

photobooth · Apr 19, 2015

Love the massive clouds of a nice heat-soaked bowl on Red through a bong/bubbler!

jojo0420 · Apr 19, 2015

photobooth said:
Love the massive clouds of a nice heat-soaked bowl on Red through a bong/bubbler!

I concur:

GetLeft · Apr 19, 2015

jojo0420 said:
I concur:

Thanks for the pic and the vid!

I've been asking myself this past day or so "how would I hook up this tiny unstable Air to a bong or a bubbler?" (which is a pretty amazing question to be asking myself because until around 2 days ago I didn't have an Air nor did I know what a bubbler was. Or what gong means. You all are quite an effective team of teachers. Seriously! Smart peeps.) So now I see that it just sets upside down into the bong/bubbler. Thats a Solo sitting up there right? I'm guessing an Air could sit comfortably on an even smaller piece of glass which is what I'd have to have. Maybe by 420 2016.

I'm taking it all in, professors.

Severmore · Apr 19, 2015

GetLeft said:
Thanks for the pic and the vid!

I've been asking myself this past day or so "how would I hook up this tiny unstable Air to a bong or a bubbler?" (which is a pretty amazing question to be asking myself because until around 2 days ago I didn't have an Air nor did I know what a bubbler was. Or what gong means. You all are quite an effective team of teachers. Seriously! Smart peeps.) So now I see that it just sets upside down into the bong/bubbler. Thats a Solo sitting up there right? I'm guessing an Air could sit comfortably on an even smaller piece of glass which is what I'd have to have. Maybe by 420 2016.

I'm taking it all in, professors.

Looks like an Air to me! :smug:

OF · Apr 19, 2015

GetLeft said:
I'm guessing an Air could sit comfortably on an even smaller piece of glass which is what I'd have to have.

Sure, it's a matter of balance, really. Keep the Air in the center and it can get pretty tiny. I often use a unit similar to this one, but mine lacks the belled base (better support):
http://www.pipesdaddy.com/14mm-Snakster-Glass-Bubbler-Clear-p/bb-0101-0005.htm

They stand up OK but are unstable being so tall and skinny. OTOH you can lay it down at an angle between hits or simply hang on.

Some guys go with PNWT or F-Bomb types, or this even smaller coaxial unit from DH Grate:

There, of course, it's a matter of the WT being on the vape, not the other way about, but the effect is the same. Fun stuff.

OF

subway13029 · Apr 19, 2015

Where does one find this on dhgate?i can't seem to find one

LongIslandmom · Apr 19, 2015

GetLeft said:
Thanks for the pic and the vid!

I've been asking myself this past day or so "how would I hook up this tiny unstable Air to a bong or a bubbler?" (which is a pretty amazing question to be asking myself because until around 2 days ago I didn't have an Air nor did I know what a bubbler was. Or what gong means. You all are quite an effective team of teachers. Seriously! Smart peeps.) So now I see that it just sets upside down into the bong/bubbler. Thats a Solo sitting up there right? I'm guessing an Air could sit comfortably on an even smaller piece of glass which is what I'd have to have. Maybe by 420 2016.

I'm taking it all in, professors.

Ok you just got yourself the best vaporizer on the market and I have Evo exhale desktop so I am not kidding when I say that cost and size wise the. AA is up there with the evo and you can hook that new toy up to a bubbler a lot sooner than 2016. I put the AA on my big doughboy and she was awesome. This Vape is gonna put the pax out of business. And there really is no better adapter than planetvape. I still love the Evo but the AA can do a lot of things and go a lot of places. I'm very happy with all of my choices.

I am looking for a new really portable small water tool and I keep coming back to some version of the pinacle pro but I want to see if anyone else had any better ideas. Again, pair the AA with a really smal water tool and that can travel. Why do all the China ones say 10mm? Don't I need something for 18mm?

Vape Hound said:
Greetings and hallucinations from the Vape Hound. I've been lurking here for a while now, reading up on the Airizer, but literally just a few moments ago, and after considerable nervous nail-biting on my part, the postman delivered my new Airizer, so I figured I might as well break cover and join the fray today, as it were.

Despite the handle I have chosen to use here, I have never once in my entire toking life ever set eyes on a real modern vaporizer, and will soon be taking my first draw of the Airizer, in a few hours after the battery is charged up and I have performed the usual first empty burn-off prior to making my first ever foray into the vaping world.

May I offer a tip of the hat to Carole King, OF, and all the others who hold court here. Your observations and experience guided my purchase, and I have already ordered the long glass turbo stems thanks in large part to the enthusiastic reviews about those devices that I have been reading here.

I live way out in the sticks near the Equator, growing my own pure Sativa landrace bud deep in a tropical swamp forest, and I gotta say I am rearing to go, for my first try of my recently harvested swamp-grown buds in this Airizer. I guess my only regret so far is not having been aware of the $90 reduction in price of the Airizer offered by Puffitup, but I decided to right that wrong by acquiring a SECOND Airizer from Puffitup, such that I can keep one Airizer at home, and another stashed amid tree roots in the swamp, in a water-proof Otter Box, for use in my jungle lair.

Can't wait to experience those fabled combustion-free flavors, and once again, I thank y'all for pointing this vaping noob in the right direction. I hope to make more meaningful contributions to the proceedings here as I gain more experience with my new toy, but for now may I end by observing as follows : Yeeeeeeehaw !

Regards from the Vape Hound[/QUOTE
Yes this is a good vape and welcome to the community. You bought a really good vape the first time out. That's very good. And Randy fro PIU is the go to guy so it looks like you have everything you need. Good luck and have fun

Slow Draw McGraw · Apr 19, 2015

OF said:
Sure, it's a matter of balance, really. Keep the Air in the center and it can get pretty tiny. I often use a unit similar to this one, but mine lacks the belled base (better support):

http://www.pipesdaddy.com/14mm-Snakster-Glass-Bubbler-Clear-p/bb-0101-0005.htm

They stand up OK but are unstable being so tall and skinny. OTOH you can lay it down at an angle between hits or simply hang on.

Some guys go with PNWT or F-Bomb types, or this even smaller coaxial unit from DH Grate:

There, of course, it's a matter of the WT being on the vape, not the other way about, but the effect is the same. Fun stuff.

OF

Boy @OF that bubbler you discovered has been making waves this week. I'll post mine again for a different angle. No spilling whatsoever.
The little bubbler stays on there secure even tho in the picture it looks like it would wobble or fall off.

70mm Arizer Air stem with plastic tip removed and a small peice of tubing.

olivianewtonjohn · Apr 19, 2015

LongIslandmom said:
Ok you just got yourself the best vaporizer on the market and I have Evo exhale desktop so I am not kidding when I say that cost and size wise the. AA is up there with the evo and you can hook that new toy up to a bubbler a lot sooner than 2016. I put the AA on my big doughboy and she was awesome. This Vape is gonna put the pax out of business. And there really is no better adapter than planetvape. I still love the Evo but the AA can do a lot of things and go a lot of places. I'm very happy with all of my choices.

I am looking for a new really portable small water tool and I keep coming back to some version of the pinacle pro but I want to see if anyone else had any better ideas. Again, pair the AA with a really smal water tool and that can travel. Why do all the China ones say 10mm? Don't I need something for 18mm?

As mentioned there are already options. The one I am waiting for is here:

IDK how much it will be or when it will be available though. But looks perfect for what I want.

EDIT: Fast foward to 3:20

MarsellusWallace · Apr 19, 2015

^ Eagerly awaiting the release of that amazing gadget.

I emailed VF to see if I could squeeze some release info out of them but they wouldn't budge, effectively building the hype I guess.

Got a feeling that it could be a serious game changer for the Air.

subway13029 · Apr 19, 2015

Slow Draw McGraw said:
Boy @OF that bubbler you discovered has been making waves this week. I'll post mine again for a different angle. No spilling whatsoever.
The little bubbler stays on there secure even tho in the picture it looks like it would wobble or fall off.

70mm Arizer Air stem with plastic tip removed and a small peice of tubing.

Where does one get this?

solodolo420 · Apr 19, 2015

LongIslandmom said:
Ok you just got yourself the best vaporizer on the market and I have Evo exhale desktop so I am not kidding when I say that cost and size wise the. AA is up there with the evo and you can hook that new toy up to a bubbler a lot sooner than 2016. I put the AA on my big doughboy and she was awesome. This Vape is gonna put the pax out of business. And there really is no better adapter than planetvape. I still love the Evo but the AA can do a lot of things and go a lot of places. I'm very happy with all of my choices.

I am looking for a new really portable small water tool and I keep coming back to some version of the pinacle pro but I want to see if anyone else had any better ideas. Again, pair the AA with a really smal water tool and that can travel. Why do all the China ones say 10mm? Don't I need something for 18mm?

I am not sure I can put the AA up there with the evo, that's just on another level. The AA however is a very effective, efficient vape that is good for any type of user.

Slow Draw McGraw said:
Boy @OF that bubbler you discovered has been making waves this week. I'll post mine again for a different angle. No spilling whatsoever.
The little bubbler stays on there secure even tho in the picture it looks like it would wobble or fall off.

70mm Arizer Air stem with plastic tip removed and a small peice of tubing.

How do you get water in and out if it doesn't spill?

Slow Draw McGraw · Apr 19, 2015

solodolo420 said:
How do you get water in and out if it doesn't spill?

You dip the bottom of the bubbler in a glass of water (your choice temp) and suck the water in through the mouthpeice. The water enters with ease but doesn't spill out as easily. To get the water out, you blow through the mouthpeice and it blows out the bottom.

OF · Apr 19, 2015

subway13029 said:
Where does one find this on dhgate?i can't seem to find one

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-77#post-722600

You're welcome.

Slow Draw McGraw said:
Boy @OF that bubbler you discovered has been making waves this week. I'll post mine again for a different angle. No spilling whatsoever.
The little bubbler stays on there secure even tho in the picture it looks like it would wobble or fall off.

Glad you're enjoying it. Thanks for passing the good word and photo. Seems like you've improved on my scheme by removing the screw on cap, I'll give that a try. You're right, it seems kind of scary at first, but after a while it seems real natural to hold it low down and keep everything upright.

A lot of good times for twenty bucks.

solodolo420 said:
How do you get water in and out if it doesn't spill?

Excellent question! Normally you could RTFM only no manual...... Also in there is 'how do I clean it inside?' I guess.

I've no idea the official technique, but what I do is take advantage of the spill proof feature. I invert it in the sink (MP end down, large end up) and run water into the open end for a while. Seriously overfilling and flushing out what was left over. It will automatically drain down to the proper level, controlled by the length of the tube at the top extending into the cavity to make the trap.

I usually give it a good shake while still over the sink to splash out a bit more to guarantee no little leaks (I carry it in my shirt pocket typically). Dry the outside of course.

Cleaning is almost as easy. I soak it in hot water and PBW for ten minutes or so (sometimes two changes) by immersion of the entire WT. Then, using a short piece of tube on the top to connect it to a syringe, I stick the bottom end in a small glass of hot water and PBW in the sink and pump the solution in and out to remove any tough stuff sticking. Then a good rinse and fill and I'm back on the air.

It works on other vapes too, of course, but IMO it's a natural on Air.

OF

sickmanfraud · Apr 20, 2015

olivianewtonjohn said:
As mentioned there are already options. The one I am waiting for is here:

IDK how much it will be or when it will be available though. But looks perfect for what I want.

EDIT: Fast foward to 3:20

The glassware he shows first looks like PVHES design, but it could not be from PV, since PV would most likely put stuff on their retail site before they would wholesale.

To all those looking to buy this item (me included) find it in North America. Having visited England a few times (although not in last 8-9 years) most items that cost $40 in the USA cost 40 pounds sterling in GB (almost $60 US and $73 Canadian).

If USA residents can get Canadian items at a 20 % discount due to the exchange rate, it would be foolish to buy something at a 50 % premium.

The USA would be the largest market for these items. Someone in the USA will sell these micro bubblers or we could always wait for the DHGATE to copy the item.

Does anyone remember where the link to the nitecore charger was? or Model #.

Thanks

olivianewtonjohn · Apr 20, 2015

Slow Draw McGraw said:
You dip the bottom of the bubbler in a glass of water (your choice temp) and suck the water in through the mouthpeice. The water enters with ease but doesn't spill out as easily. To get the water out, you blow through the mouthpeice and it blows out the bottom.

I havent tried one of those micotubes but couldnt you fill from the top?

sickmanfraud said:
The glassware he shows first looks like PVHES design, but it could not be from PV, since PV would most likely put stuff on their retail site before they would wholesale.

To all those looking to buy this item (me included) find it in North America. Having visited England a few times (although not in last 8-9 years) most items that cost $40 in the USA cost 40 pounds sterling in GB (almost $60 US and $73 Canadian).

If USA residents can get Canadian items at a 20 % discount due to the exchange rate, it would be foolish to buy something at a 50 % premium.

The USA would be the largest market for these items. Someone in the USA will sell these micro bubblers or we could always wait for the DHGATE to copy the item.

Does anyone remember where the link to the nitecore charger was? or Model #.

Thanks

Oh I agree, thats why I emailed Randy at PIU to see if he is going to carry it.

Nitecore is a brand they make many chargers, the two most mentioned are the i4 and D4; personally I prefer the efast luc V4 its cheaper but has much faster charge options (.5A, 1A, and 2A; air charges at .8A; nitcore you can check was much slower especially when charging 3 or more). Almost the same price as i4 yet has more features than D4, all from a respected company. I dont get why its not more popular TBH

EDIT:
Where I bought mine, ~$23 with the coupon code (popsup on the side):
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/efest-luc-v4-lcd-usb-charger

EDIT#2:
On the company's website they have some pretty good videos:
LUC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=45&v=oMJSo9y0mXM
D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=123&v=EzhdR_V4H48

sickmanfraud · Apr 20, 2015

olivianewtonjohn said:
I havent tried one of those micotubes but couldnt you fill from the top?

Oh I agree, thats why I emailed Randy at PIU to see if he is going to carry it.

Nitecore is a brand they make many chargers, the two most mentioned are the i4 and D4; personally I prefer the efast luc V4 its cheaper but has much faster charge options (.5A, 1A, and 2A; air charges at .8A; nitcore you can check was much slower especially when charging 3 or more). Almost the same price as i4 yet has more features than D4, all from a respected company. I dont get why its not more popular TBH

EDIT:
Where I bought mine, ~$23 with the coupon code (popsup on the side):
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/efest-luc-v4-lcd-usb-charger

EDIT#2:
On the company's website they have some pretty good videos:
LUC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=45&v=oMJSo9y0mXM
D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=123&v=EzhdR_V4H48

Thanks for the quick reply. The Luc V4 is cheaper than the Nitecore.

Does anyone know whether it is worthwhile to buy extra Air batteries or to buy one of the power pack kind of items?

The Air is the only vape I own that uses 18650 batteries.

Power wise would a battery pack be more useful than extra 18650's?

OF · Apr 20, 2015

olivianewtonjohn said:
I havent tried one of those micotubes but couldnt you fill from the top?

It is possible, in fact I first did it that way. But it's harder to fill through the smaller hole and the 'self limiting function doesn't work the other way (since the water trap section tends to siphon action. You need to try to 'fill to the mark' only there is no mark like this new guy is promising. A lot of trial and error between not getting solid action due to low water and too much causing unexpected leakage.

I recommend filling that specific bubbler upside down, it works much better IMO. Try it and see what works best for you?

OF

bluenavey00 · Apr 20, 2015

sickmanfraud said:
Thanks for the quick reply. The Luc V4 is cheaper than the Nitecore.

Does anyone know whether it is worthwhile to buy extra Air batteries or to buy one of the power pack kind of items?

The Air is the only vape I own that uses 18650 batteries.

Power wise would a battery pack be more useful than extra 18650's?

I would personally get an extra battery or two. For the cost a power pack you could get a couple right?

Just take a few out fully charged and you can switch them out very quickly even mid session.

I guess with a power pack you have to sit there or carry it around external to the device.

I have bought a USB cable to charge the air via a power bank I use for my phone. However I never normally use it, I just swap the batteries around. I guess it is just personal preference though

UnshavenFish · Apr 20, 2015

sickmanfraud said:
Thanks for the quick reply. The Luc V4 is cheaper than the Nitecore.

Does anyone know whether it is worthwhile to buy extra Air batteries or to buy one of the power pack kind of items?

The Air is the only vape I own that uses 18650 batteries.

Power wise would a battery pack be more useful than extra 18650's?

I agree with @bluenavey00 extra batteries, just for the simple fact that a full fresh battery is ready to go as soon as you put it in whereas a power bank still has to charge the battery in your air as its not true pass through.

Having said that these are some cases where a power bank would be better, say if your camping for a weekend and no plug socket to charge this is where a power bank comes in.

And most 18650 chargers can be used as a power bank so two birds one stone kind of thing

peterpiper · Apr 20, 2015

OF
Sorry to b a pain by not looking back but what size tubing do u use with that bubbler.
And will it work on the solo or is it just the air with the plastic mouthpiece.
Thank you

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