Discontinued herbalAire

@PPN you can find aquarium air pumps that have adjustable flow rates I used a "Fusion quiet power 700 adjustable air pump" with my HA that would go from no flow all the way to more then you need or can really use (blow up whispy bags in 20 seconds kind of fast).

The "Fusion 700" can be had here in the states off of ebay for around $20 and is much quieter then the stock HA pump along with the output speed being fully adjustable, well worth the cost I thought.


EDIT; I thought blowing up bags a bit faster would be amazing but found when I slowed 'em down where I was taking 3-4 minutes to fill one that one bag was all I ever needed.

Slow = thick dense milky bags.

@PPN :

I've used all 3 stock pumps from HA, the original low-flow, the updated medium flow and the high flow pump meant for the 3 or 5 bag at a time attachments.

I agree with @RUDE BOY, although the low flow pump takes longer to fill a bag, the vapour-to-air ratio is much higher with this method, and the bags more potent and enjoyable overall.

Patience can pay dividends and reward those who can wait, imo.

A few days in, and I have a question for fellow H2.2 owners.. I have noticed a small, barely audible buzzing/humming. Most noticeable when the red LED is on, but it comes on intermittently otherwise. I want to say it is the LEDs (if you listen closely to some LED flashlight bulbs you can hear the a very similar noise). It might be the temp regulation that unit has built in (thinking it's a noise some digital components make)? With the warranty I am not too concerned, but I thought I'd check out what you guys had to say.

bobo305 said:

just pulled the trigger on the 2.2 question for balloon users. after 1st balloon is filled do you take out the bowl and vape it, then put it back in to fill 2nd bag? is the bag system ok, hear conflicting opinions.

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Never be afraid to experiment! That said, if you aren't going for a quick run through many bags, I would not let it sit. Vapor cools, and, like any cooling vapor, condenses. In a bag, it condenses on the bag. The amount is probably minimal in the grand scheme of things, but it's up to you. If you get oven bags, I have seen many people on this forum cook with them to take advantage of that condensation. A slow pump has the advantage of giving you more time to finish a bag and grabbing the next one hot off the unit.

PPN said:

A question about pump: is it possible to buy a pump with speed selector!

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The pump is any old pump. You do not need a special "vaporizer" pump, you just need something that shoots air. I believe most chain super stores (wal mart, k mart, etc) carry variable output aquarium pumps.

mrfloopa said:

... I have noticed a small, barely audible buzzing/humming. Most noticeable when the red LED is on, but it comes on intermittently otherwise. ...

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Never put my ear near the knob before, but I hear it too, as described.

Very nice. Picked up the Fusion 400 for $11.50 on Amazon. I believe it's the cheapest model that still has adjustable airflow. Been wanting something quieter and the adjustable is a great plus, going for the modular Herbalizer experience It will be interesting to see how a lesser speed feels with "fan-assist" on a bubbler.

Also going to pair it with this silicone tubing for better flavor.

have any 2.2 owners tried and or prefer the elite bag system? it fits the 2.2

I find the 2.2 bag system cumbersome.

I find ANY bag system cumbersome.

amen bro, except the volcano and I can't afford it.

any 2.2 users hook it up to the f-bomb bubbler?

I would gladly pay for pre-made bags ala the easy valve system. I can't understand why only stortz and bickel provide them.


mod note: 3 posts merged. Edit to add, whenever the button is visible.

you need to try and combine your posts, man. A mod will likely be in here soon cleaning it up.

When you want to add info and yours is the last post, do an EDIT rather than starting a new post. you can do that for something like 6 hours after you post.

This was added later. easy.

It looks to me that the Elite bag system is much less cumbersome.

Though I still have the HA 2.1, and make my own bags, with cooking bags and cable ties.

I don't know what the v2 bag system is like, but filling one bag on the Elite is very easy, and it looks like when I get to fill three it will be easy as well.

I wouldn't say the H2.2 bag is "hard," but it is a little cumbersome. If you like bags, you are going to have your pump accessible, so that isn't an issue (I don't, but keep it on my desk just in case)–just plug in to the back of the unit. The attachment is the same as it is for every way to use the HA, so that's no inconvenience, either. Still, bag systems in general all seem like much more of a hassle than vaping needs to be.

I guess I don't see the point of sitting, waiting for a bag to fill so you can get 3-4 hits off it when you could just take that through the whip, water, or direct. For groups, of course! But then, I don't see how the Elite has that much more of an advantage if you have a multi-bag adapter.

I feel the same way about bags, but every time (rarely) I blow one up and walk around the house with it I think 'why don't i do this more?'

I don't mind hitting from a bag when someone hands me one. It's a decent delivery method. I just don't want to wait for it or fuck with it. It seems like extra steps that are unnecessary, as @mrfloopa said above. Why bother? If I had something that only blew bags I would need something else as well.

421 said:

Very nice. Picked up the Fusion 400 for $11.50 on Amazon. I believe it's the cheapest model that still has adjustable airflow. Been wanting something quieter and the adjustable is a great plus, going for the modular Herbalizer experience It will be interesting to see how a lesser speed feels with "fan-assist" on a bubbler.

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so I bought that fusion 400 after I saw your post... omg did that thing blow me away. I already read before that the air-vibration of the default pump allows for better/faster extraction, but the fusion 400 seems to do that even better.

Herbalaire set to 360, crucible decently packed as I always do. Hooked it up to my default bong and turned the airflow all the way down. Mouth on bong and let the smoke flow in. Slow and steady long hits.

I actually managed to do a hit that lasted a whole minute and 5 seconds (yeah I measured the time), before I couldn't get more in my lungs. And man did I get baked after a few hits. I've never gotten that high off just one crucible, at least from what I remember (hehe). Actually felt a little uncomfortable like when I combusted 3 bowls in one setting last summer.

I would probably recommend upgrading from the default pump to this one.
-Very quiet on lowest setting and still quieter than the default pump at max settings.
-Perhaps better extraction?
-adjustable airflow with a good range

Only con so far is that it does not have an on/off switch. Plug it in=on. Unplug=off.
Oh and perhaps the cable is a bit short, so I might cut it and work a switch like on the default pump in there, as well as make it longer. Could just cut the cable from the default pump perhaps.

VJJJV said:

so I bought that fusion 400 after I saw your post... omg did that thing blow me away. I already read before that the air-vibration of the default pump allows for better/faster extraction, but the fusion 400 seems to do that even better.

Herbalaire set to 360, crucible decently packed as I always do. Hooked it up to my default bong and turned the airflow all the way down. Mouth on bong and let the smoke flow in. Slow and steady long hits.

I actually managed to do a hit that lasted a whole minute and 5 seconds (yeah I measured the time), before I couldn't get more in my lungs. And man did I get baked after a few hits. I've never gotten that high off just one crucible, at least from what I remember (hehe). Actually felt a little uncomfortable like when I combusted 3 bowls in one setting last summer.

I would probably recommend upgrading from the default pump to this one.
-Very quiet on lowest setting and still quieter than the default pump at max settings.
-Perhaps better extraction?
-adjustable airflow with a good range

Only con so far is that it does not have an on/off switch. Plug it in=on. Unplug=off.
Oh and perhaps the cable is a bit short, so I might cut it and work a switch like on the default pump in there, as well as make it longer. Could just cut the cable from the default pump perhaps.

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Nice. I also got the pump and liked it, but definitely was disappointed that there was no off switch! However, someone did recommend me a great solution, an in-line cord switch, something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Sale-Pr...941?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item339548718d

Once I get the cord switch I feel like I can give the pump some use and a proper review. I agree though it's definitely much quieter.

Hello,

Long time smoker, first time vaper here.

Just got the herbalaire a couple days ago straight from the source with the April specials.

Very impressed so far, it's made me enjoy my strains on a whole new level.

One issue/question I had for the Tong attachment owners out there though... Mine doesn't fit snug into the chamber when it has a crucible. The tong attachment is much longer than the regular attach for some reason. It only fits all the way flush when you pack the chamber without crucible. Is my attachment wonky, or is this what I am supposed to do?

For that matter, really wish the attachment fit onto the end of a whip, as it would be so much easier to put that into a glass piece than turning it upside down. Is there a similar tong style attachment that has tapered ends for multiple mm sizes on one end and another end that would fit into a whip?

Also, as I have only used it to vape-bong, is it ok for this device to be turned on and off every ten minutes or so? Or should I be leaving this thing on until auto-shut off for prolonged longevity? I don't like leaving stuff sitting in the hot chamber, so I try to just finish what's there, turn it off, and continue hitting for a bit while it cools off. Small sessions of complete consumption if you will.

I think TonG can be used with shorter crucible (which fit the TonG), but you can use it filling your herb directly in the TonG (load will be smaller) to get a full convection vaping experience, that's how I use it especially for vape bonging or direct draw.

You can make alot of different sort of DIY connector although I never get the same taste when I connect it directly and when I use the whip between (it is the same with my cloud+ I noticed whip betwenn the unit and watertool degrade the test, although I don't notice that when I use the whip dry....?!)

I think there is no issue to let it run until shut down.

The TonG is definitely way longer than the stock MP and can't be used with the crucibles without cutting a crucible down to size.

To get around this I use these ceramic discs which fit near perfectly inside the HA (fit is perfect in a cruc, in chamber it's near perfect). I do something like 2 or 3 discs on the bottom of the HA chamber, then medicine load, then one disc on top for a screen and to keep it all in place (with this method I've also removed the metal screen from stock MP). This way I can use the TonG but have some semblance of a "ceramic cruc" with the disc sandwich. IMO the discs also improve flavor


My current favorite method of HA'ing involves using the cruc, an e-nano basket screen, ceramic discs, and stock MP. I remove bottom metal screen on cruc, instead use a ceramic disc on the bottom (fit is perfect in cruc). Then one e-nano basket screen to act as a convection spacer. Then another disc that sits on top of the spacer, medicine load, and a disc on top. So 3 discs, one basket screen, one cruc. I hit it through a silicone whip, sometimes attached to glass. Really good convective effect, and seems to mitigate herb cooking in chamber. When I put herbs in with the TonG method above, sometimes I will see some vapes wafting up after I've dropped herb into the hot chamber. With this method I can get it all loaded up beforehand, plop it in, and know that I can start hitting it right away and not lose some small amounts to ambient cooking. With TonG method I can get thicker clouds pretty quick, similar to how I hear people describe a crafty/mighty with its convection/conduction effect. With this cruc spacer disc method, it takes a few pulls of mainly taste to ramp up to visible vapor, similar to how I hear it takes a few pulls to get a convection vape going. Plan to post pics later.

Man, have I been having fun with this vape. You can use a pea sized amount to massive loads no problem (sorry, don't have a scale). I noticed a gurgling last night, and couldn't figure out what it was. Today, I pulled apart the mouthpiece/whip attachment a goopy ball of brown honey fell out. I have noticed a lot of build up at the beginning of the whip. Maybe I have been doing crucibles too slowly via whip?

mrfloopa said:

Man, have I been having fun with this vape. You can use a pea sized amount to massive loads no problem (sorry, don't have a scale). I noticed a gurgling last night, and couldn't figure out what it was. Today, I pulled apart the mouthpiece/whip attachment a goopy ball of brown honey fell out. I have noticed a lot of build up at the beginning of the whip. Maybe I have been doing crucibles too slowly via whip?

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I think resin is pretty normal unless you're obsessively cleaning it. I tend to use heavy sticky stuff so I get tons of it. I used to hate having to clean it or throw away the hose, but I love it now that I just save it and vape it in wax pens.

StormyPinkness said:

I think resin is pretty normal unless you're obsessively cleaning it. I tend to use heavy sticky stuff so I get tons of it. I used to hate having to clean it or throw away the hose, but I love it now that I just save it and vape it in wax pens.

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Whats the best way to do this? An ISO wash? I'm using cotton to absorb the dripping oil from the main mouth piece and the first 3 inches of the whip because they are coated in liquid oil after using it a couple times and now I got a really nice soggy cotton but I'm sure there is a better way to do this...

362.5 is my go to daytime temp, halfway between 350 and 375. keeps me from getting too sleepy. for night time i move to 375-385, sometimes 400.

@J_ackson - I have noticed that the honey caught in a cotton-type of filter has stronger effects than the stuff I get when I reclaim with iso. I can't explain why, it's just what I notice.

I started using this again last night and had some good times. First I loaded a good size crucible (without weighing) and got two or three sessions out of it. Then I took 0.3g ground and it filled it to the top and capped it with the ceramic disk. I got some nice clouds and started on 365, climbing up to 400.

I also tried something @nicelytoasted suggested, which is using it in direct draw mode and pulsing the intake hole to mimic the pump. I really think I got bigger hits this way.

I also tried espresso mode for the first time and probably did it wrong. It was pushing up out of the HT too quickly to do that sexy dry ice looking thing. I think I need water in there to make it happen and will try it again.

Anyhow, I've got enough material to do some fun testing, so please throw out any usage tips and patterns you can so I can try them out! The effects were great last night and I am trying to remember it all!

stickstones said:

I also tried espresso mode for the first time and probably did it wrong. It was pushing up out of the HT too quickly to do that sexy dry ice looking thing. I think I need water in there to make it happen and will try it again.

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For Espresso mode ya gotta use a bunch of herb, at least 1/8th oz and no crucible to do it "right".


with the fusion pump running on low it blew thick vapor for 10-15 minutes when starting on 350 and bumping up the temp every couple of minutes. Not something i would recommend to do unless your sharing with a good sized group though.