My secret to THC E-Cig PG-Liquid... Potent, Effective, Cheap, Easy!!!

StheDubya said:

I have been using an emow tank for the last week or so. Really like it. I run it wide open and do a slow direct draw into the lungs. My battery is almost always set to 3.8 but I am using an Aspire. Should be similar though. I have been getting pretty consistent results but have noticed that the emow seems to drain my battery a little faster than the Aspire tanks I have been using. But I haven't had any leaking and that is what I'm most concerned with.

I tried mixing some RSO and EJ a while back and it did mix up ok but couldn't really get past the taste. Between the taste of EJ and the taste of RSO I couldn't do it. I ended up giving it to my brother. Maybe next time I make some RSO I will try mixing it with Puff Majic. I think the Majic flavor might make it a bit better for me. It is ideal to be able to use one substance in several ways though. I'm all about the simplicity for sure.

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@StheDubya when you say "wide open", are you referring to having all the air holes open for draw? Or I thought possibly even no drip pen or something. Sorry, you will see regular noob stuff like that from me... :-) And I *have* on my FC reading list to nail down my vape technique. I *did* try, but wow...couldn't get two answers to match sometimes. So I decided to hold off.

I laughed out loud when you mentioned the taste. For me, the sublingual application I do 3x daily is *such* a nasty taste, that the mild little version of that taste I get in the vape seems like a nice change. But, I know that I wouldn't be able to get a bunch of combustors around and share a cart. They'd never get past the taste. And someone who REALLY knows their vape, like you or someone from FC? They'd probably be ten times as turned off to the taste.

Leaking is what I was primarily concerned about too, and I have had close to zero. The one time I had the slightest amount was when I first got it, loaded the cart, and of course couldn't just leave the thing alone... Even then, it was a tiny hair-width line across where I screw the battery to the cart, and never have seen it again, even though I have changed out the cart (for testing the various EJ/RSO ratios).

However, I believe that a different method of processing RSO *might* be the key to fixing some taste problems. Over on one of the recent threads in "Concentrates", @Grow Goddess has developed a new method for a natural, air-evap over like 100 days (please read her stuff if interested, I will absolutely mangle even a summary of the process, and even if I quote directly!). She does her base process with ISO (I use Everclear191), and some steps different, so I am not trying to make a direct comparison. But the point is that what @Grow Goddess found was that allowing the decarb process to happen naturally over time with no heat improved both the taste AND the potency of the finished product. Apparently the potency was almost double!

Not that *my* word means anything one way or another, but I have followed her RSO case studies with patients for almost 6 months, and if anyone knows how to "tweak" RSO in a real, live caregiver setting, it's her. (That is SO not to be sappy, or overly-complementary, and I promise that is an extremely *objective* statement).

BIG NOTE AFTER THAT: And of course LOTS of other people on FC and other places are experts with RSO as well. I am just new, and so don't know too many people I could say "I followed their stuff, and it was always on the money". :-)

Over on that thread, I am following @Grow Goddess ' new "natural decarb" process, and will post back after I mix that with the EJMix and compare it side by side for taste, mixability, stability in storage, and potency compared to the RSO I made with EC191/heat decarb (original method, so to speak). The comparison SHOULD be fair, since the "original method" RSO was made from the same plant (and plant drying/curing process) that I will be using for the test. The only difference will be in the RSO creation.

Who knows what else might change in the vape with it?! I think that's exciting, too. Will post on that comparison in about 100 days after the "natural decarb" method RSO is done.

I am so grateful for this thread! I wanted to add something about this here that has been HUGE for me.

The strain I used (imported femmed White Widow, grown myself) is what I have "used" through the whole process from combusting it to finally using the what I have found to be the most effective method (sublingual and vaporization). Note: I know we cover vaporization, just mentioning sublingual here for "scientific clarity" so to speak. Plus, if someone is interested in making RSO vapeable, they are probably using it orally and/or sublingually to begin with.

SO, when I was combusting it, I attempted to keep my use at 1 zip per month. Never made it. Maybe 3 weeks. But still, in my mind, the "magic number" I started with was important as I moved to RSO in the first place, and then to on to vapeable RSO as the finished RSO/EJMix product. 1 zip starting material, consumed in whatever way, per month.

RSO has pretty consistently ended up yielding 4 grams per zip of starting dried material. So here's what I ended up doing.

I got a bunch of 15ml amber glass bottles. The kind with a built in glass dropper. (They are sold as "1/2 oz" size online, but the ML was what I was keeping an eye on here)

I take 4 grams of RSO. That equals about a zip of original dried starting material. Using the formula from this thread, I squeeze out the 4 grams from the syringe they are stored in now into the amber container. Sit the container itself into the bowl of boiling water, about 3/4 of the way up its side. The oil is very thick, so I don't bother stirring it yet. Let it sit for about 5 minutes. Then I add 4 ml of EJMix (1ml per gram of RSO) also directly into the amber container.

Then, I use the built in glass dropper to stir the mix for 5-10 minutes (which is awesome - no need to hit any instruments with Everclear when I'm done!).

I pull it up into the dropper, squeezing it back out, then back into the dropper, etc. maybe 5 or 10 times slowly towards the end of the stirring process. I do this with the dropper lid *barely* lifted up from the top, so that all material stays INSIDE the glass amber bottle for the ENTIRE mixing process.

So basically, I have my amber glass container filled halfway-ish when done, with about 7ml of the finished RSP/EJMix ready to vape (1 gram of RSO conveniently ends up taking about 1ml worth of volume before adding to the mix, so volume-wise mixing 1:1 is easy, no real need for a weight to volume conversion on the RSO side).

And (sorry) my point was this - that I now have a container that contains what *was* an ounce of weed. And that container can fill up about 4 cartomizers (mine has a 2.8ml capacity, but I don't like filling it up that high). So 1/4 ounce of weed originally is what is now in 1 cartomizer.

So I could now compare - how did one cartomizer last for me vaping compared to 1/4 ounce of weed when I was combusting?

I have been using this new mix like MAD. Was able to cut my sublingual RSO by about 1/2 of a rice grain-sized piece for each of the 3 daily doses, back down to 1 rice grain-sized piece 3 times per day. It's the weekend, so I have had even more time to simply chill and vape, chill and vape, and lose track of hours in peaceful reflection, music, etc. I say that because I also used to combust the daylights out of the dry, so I feel like I am doing a pretty accurate comparison.

After 3 days, I think I can finally see the level of mix in my cartomizer has lowered - I will, by eyeball, say I have used 1/10 of it. So 1/4 ounce of weed, turned into RSO and then mixed 1:1 with EJMix will last me close to THIRTY days instead of the SEVEN days I would have gotten it to last if combusting?

Holy freaking moley FC, you just saved me a ridiculous amount of money and precious stash!!!

Sigh. Here's to hoping many others get the nice, peaceful, unseen smile that *I* just got inside... :-)

And a quick note for accuracy - I THINK that I was wrong throughout my posts in saying the clearomizer has a 2.8ml capacity, every review I can find online says it is 1.8ml (a standard Kangertech size). But my manual clearly says "2.8 ml capacity".

My apologies, any experts like @2clicker have an idea on the real number?!

:-)

i am happy for your success.

i am going to order some of this "juice".

i am a bit stuck @ buying a rebuild able or a disposable clear-o. is 1 better that the other?

& is 2 ohm still the best resistance?

most people i know has never dreamed of something so easy. they are spending a lot of time reloading lay-G's or heating their nail. hell, i spend a lot of time rolling worms into tree's.(my main ingestion, soon to change)

thanks for posting your results.

I placed my order for the puff majic starter pack.

i went to one of my local vape shops and bought a nautilus mini BVC.

intended on buying a mechanical mod. however, a couple of VV VW box mods were only $20 more.

in the end i got the SIGELEI mini 30w. she gave me a free 35amp battery.

the cloupor mini was a contender. it only drops to 7w. i dont know if thats a good or bad thing though.

simple directions had me set up in no time.


THIS WORKS GREAT


As i try to find the right watt/volt setting, i find myself incredibly medicated.

i'd like to try the gummi and brownie flavor puff majic too

this type of vaping, as well as sourcing of parts is fun.

my next few orders will be mail order vape.

id like to try some other types of tanks.

maybe like this for on the go; http://www.3fvape.com/mod-kit/2548-...-kit-golden-us-plug-adapter.html#.VQVCgI7F-ps




Side note. new vendor for shatter. last 2 packs have been platinum GSC.

local vape shop is owned by an Elvis impersonator.

limonene also works well to thin co2 oil. mixes easily, can even be mixed in the cart, just tilt back and forth. notes here.

andrewburgess said:

notes here.

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man, that link sent me on a good journey.

i can see how adding some limonene would add nice flavor.

i added a aspire K1 1.6 Ohm. to rotation. a little too hot.

on my fourth batch, i used the least amount of puff majic. 2grams shatter to 1.5ml puff majic.

this is the best ratio yet. so nice to toke on.

it would be interesting to mix some CBD e-juice, like this...
http://www.yourcbdsource.com/store/Care-Free-CBD-ELiquid.html

or even...
http://www.yourcbdsource.com/store/product59.html

i also would like to see a small capacity tank, .5ml

andrewburgess said:

limonene also works well to thin co2 oil. mixes easily, can even be mixed in the cart, just tilt back and forth. notes here.

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Just don't use it in a plastic clearo. A lot of the dispensaries here sell prefills that are cut with limonene. It destroys plastic. Can't even count how many tanks I had break in my pocket when I used to buy them. A lot of people find it really harsh on the lungs too.

AnthoFranco said:

i added a aspire K1 1.6 Ohm. to rotation. a little too hot.

on my fourth batch, i used the least amount of puff majic. 2grams shatter to 1.5ml puff majic.

this is the best ratio yet. so nice to toke on.

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I use the K1 pretty exclusively these days. The 1.6 is good for small batteries that don't have much power. You need the higher resistance coils for your setup.

Like the ratio. Been playing with it a bit lately myself and from what I have found you can mix a high quality shatter at pretty low ratios to make some awesome juice.

I have some EJmix coming and some BHO I plan on mixing up. I sort of regret not reading to the end since it seems alot of folks are switching to Puff Magic. Ill probably order a 15ml bottle tonight.

Have any of you used the juice on a subohm setup like I have here with the iStick 30watt and Aspire Atlantis? It seems like the nautilus was reviewed well but personally there isnt enough air flow for me when vaping flavored ejuice.

Im guessing since the coil is the same type, just larger that this combo could be great for vaping concentrate mixes but wanted to see if anyone else had gone this route.

OhGee said:

I sort of regret not reading to the end

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this and taking notes for me. you'll be fine.

ive learned less is more w/ puff majic. i plan on ordering more. berry and choc.

ive switched to 1.8 Ohms aspire K1 with great results.

i was walking around the supermarket taking nice tokes. kinda exhaling thru my nose and mouth, blowing down.

full stealth mode. wife was tripping, she knows im "smoking out". i was'nt tripping off my crazy kids mis-behavin'....

OhGee said:

used the juice on a subohm setup

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i am mostly not familiar with ecigs and sub ohming. however, i think this type of juice might be too thick to wick fast enough to keep from burning. i might be wrong.



yep, thats what she called it, smoking out.

i reply'd, "this whole M-F'n time...."

she then took it and checked her own head.

Would it be unwise to use something like this in my iStick ELeaf 30 Watt Battery and my Aspire SubOhm Atlantis? The stuff I have is propylene glycol infused with concentrate at 69%. It's called "Liquid Amber"

Speaking of limonene etc lately I have been vaping pure gold and it hasn't been delivering that same citrus taste. Just not as enjoyable - it seemed like it wasn't soaking into wick (of BUD 510 disposable). I like
To be super stealth so I only use the barest equipment, but do you think it would be crazy to drop a single drop or two of EJmix on the wick before putting in pure gold to kind of
Prime it? I feel like even a drop or two right to the wick would
Help it dissolve and take in the cannabanoids and terpenes etc. has anybody tried with pure gold or concentrate of similar consistency ?

zebra said:

Speaking of limonene etc lately I have been vaping pure gold and it hasn't been delivering that same citrus taste. Just not as enjoyable - it seemed like it wasn't soaking into wick (of BUD 510 disposable). I like
To be super stealth so I only use the barest equipment, but do you think it would be crazy to drop a single drop or two of EJmix on the wick before putting in pure gold to kind of
Prime it? I feel like even a drop or two right to the wick would
Help it dissolve and take in the cannabanoids and terpenes etc. has anybody tried with pure gold or concentrate of similar consistency ?

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Sorry just wanted to bump this. @fernand @Haywood @StheDubya @OldOyler what do you guys think of dropping a single drop of EJMIX onto a wick of a bud 510 prior to dropping in pure gold? Think it may make the gold wick a bit faster so that the occasional dry hit will go away? Or would it result in the clearo just tearing through the gold at breakneck speed to the point there is waste? Curious of your thoughts you guys seem like experts....

zebra said:

Sorry just wanted to bump this. @fernand @Haywood @StheDubya @OldOyler what do you guys think of dropping a single drop of EJMIX onto a wick of a bud 510 prior to dropping in pure gold? Think it may make the gold wick a bit faster so that the occasional dry hit will go away? Or would it result in the clearo just tearing through the gold at breakneck speed to the point there is waste? Curious of your thoughts you guys seem like experts....

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I think that would help to prime the wick but don't think it would help what you are talking about. Have you tried thinning the pure gold a little bit with your ej mix. Try like 10%. That's what I would do. When I vape co2 oil I thin it with puff majic and it vapes great but without I get a lot of performance problems. Also, if I ever get a dry hit I blow the tiniest little puff of air through the clearo. Seems to adjust the pressure and solve that problem.

I used to put a drop of 0 nic ecig juice on brand new atomizers (down the top hole) to pre-wet them since bho mix was wicking poorly. Not sure if it helped a ton, but certainly didn't hurt. Though now I think draw tech would probably help the most. I doubt it would thin the PG much without help, I always need mild heat and stirring. I believe PG uses limonene in a product they make, that may be something. I used it a bit, less is more with that. I would use 4-5 drops per gram and maybe .1-2 ejmix with a gram bho and it was quite thin and citric. I didn't like masking the native strain flavors so stopped using it ( now a few drops go in my abv/ coconut oil topical) but a drop or 2 in PG might be nice...

StheDubya said:

I think that would help to prime the wick but don't think it would help what you are talking about. Have you tried thinning the pure gold a little bit with your ej mix. Try like 10%. That's what I would do. When I vape co2 oil I thin it with puff majic and it vapes great but without I get a lot of performance problems. Also, if I ever get a dry hit I blow the tiniest little puff of air through the clearo. Seems to adjust the pressure and solve that problem.

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@StheDubya interesting. I am in NY so my access to pure gold is literally laughable. I pay twice what you pay out west and can't really afford to "experiment." Per @GuyLeDuche I think pre wetting wicks on carts when you know your putting in Gold or something thicker (that you know wont wick well) is key. Dry hits are my biggest enemy and I think maybe a drop of EJ would ensure that it was never too dry. Just want to make sure the EJ wouldn't eat through anything, or destroy the nice gold flavor.... thoughts?

zebra said:

@StheDubya interesting. I am in NY so my access to pure gold is literally laughable. I pay twice what you pay out west and can't really afford to "experiment." Per @GuyLeDuche I think pre wetting wicks on carts when you know your putting in Gold or something thicker (that you know wont wick well) is key. Dry hits are my biggest enemy and I think maybe a drop of EJ would ensure that it was never too dry. Just want to make sure the EJ wouldn't eat through anything, or destroy the nice gold flavor.... thoughts?

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I can see where pre wetting the wicks could help with getting the gold to flow better at the start. But that will vaporize pretty quickly and you will still be left trying to wick a thick substance. Dry hits definitely suck and I wish I had a better answer for you. All my experience with a bud 510 is 2nd hand via a friend and I have only used it a bit. From my trials in mixing my own liquids I really feel it is all about having the right thickness. Too thick and you just are going to have problems with flow. If you are talking about regularly dropping some ej on the wick than it could help maybe but it is going to taste like ej more than pure gold. I don't think it would eat anything really.

So what I've found works best for me....

Boil some water, dump your concentrate in a smaller bowl, hold it in the water til the concentrate melts and becomes liquid. Pour the ej mix in and stir while still in the water until completely mixed. Remove with syringe and store in a dripper bottle til needed. The mix stays stable for at least a month ( longest I've had it)

AnthoFranco said:

I placed my order for the puff majic starter pack.

i went to one of my local vape shops and bought a nautilus mini BVC.

intended on buying a mechanical mod. however, a couple of VV VW box mods were only $20 more.

in the end i got the SIGELEI mini 30w. she gave me a free 35amp battery.

the cloupor mini was a contender. it only drops to 7w. i dont know if thats a good or bad thing though.

simple directions had me set up in no time.


THIS WORKS GREAT


As i try to find the right watt/volt setting, i find myself incredibly medicated.

i'd like to try the gummi and brownie flavor puff majic too

this type of vaping, as well as sourcing of parts is fun.

my next few orders will be mail order vape.

id like to try some other types of tanks.

maybe like this for on the go; http://www.3fvape.com/mod-kit/2548-...-kit-golden-us-plug-adapter.html#.VQVCgI7F-ps




Side note. new vendor for shatter. last 2 packs have been platinum GSC.

local vape shop is owned by an Elvis impersonator.

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oh brother do yourself a favor keep your e-pen on low heat for the coil will clog quickly on high heat and if u just have to have the high heat then make a clearing tool,,,, like I did for drilling out the blockage that forms at the bottom of the nautilus min's coils or the reg nautilus (they use the same coils)
take a 1/16 th drill bit and then a piece of wire stiff wire like piano wire 2 to 3 inches long,,, then some crazy glue and shrink tubing and put the drill bit in a piece of tubing that has a small amount Glue in it put the wire (same od as the drill bit or smaller)in the other end and shrink that down,, then take a piece of shrink tube a half inch put glue in the area where the 2 pieces of metal meet shrink that down now the final piece of shrink tube needs to cover most all of the wire except the small part of the bit to clear the blockage don't for get the glue on the join area here as well (helps stiffen things up) now u have made a tool to allow u to save a few dollars in coils hope I helped u there

Sounds like a good little tool you came up with. I use a cake tester (the little wire pokers). Small and rigid but still has some flex to it. I don't have clog problems on the regular bvc coils though.

Haven't been here in a while. Hope all had a happy 420.

Ordered a couple more Puff Majic flavors recently. Thought I would share. Got 2, Majic Black and Majic Blue. Black is a clove tobacco mix and Blue is a blueberry mix. Both are really nice. They continue to impress me with their flavors. I smoked cloves for a bit back in the day and have tried some clove e-cig liquids. Never really liked any of the clove e-cig stuff but I was pleasantly surprised with the Black. It has a really true clove flavor. I actually had people comment in public about how good it smelled too. Blue is really impressive too with a pretty realistic blueberry flavor. Not too strong and definitely reminded me of when you get some bud with that nice blueberry taste. Just wanted to pass along the experience since I don't think these flavors have been discussed.

Ive found that the drill head as well as clearing the hole so air can flow it also removes the gunk as its picked up by the ridges in the bit and holds it till I wipe it off with a rag

SHOCKWAVE/Rickvan said:

Ive found that the drill head as well as clearing the hole so air can flow it also removes the gunk as its picked up by the ridges in the bit and holds it till I wipe it off with a rag

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Nice. I will try making one next time my wife pisses me off and I need to escape to my garage.

Does anybody have a box with a delta 2? Or do all you guys use ego style 510s? Do any of you vape non wejuice? When one says subohm do you scratch your head? I too wanna know if this will work with a delta 2, subtank mini ? Drippers? What kinda watts has anybody tried? I'm thinking of bong rips instead of pinchys. Will it work? I wanna get a new toy

So glad I found this thread. I am going to venture in making some ejuice today and wanted to list my steps and have a few questions.

1. Freeze fresh flower (grinded), everclear, glass jars for 24 hrs.
2. Wash flower in everclear for 2-3 minutes, strain, repeat for 2 additional washes.
3. Freeze liquid for 24 hours, strain again to remove impurities.
4. Pour liquid into pyrex dish and place on heating pad so that everclear evaporates. Before everclear completely evaporates, add 2-3 drops of water so the oil doesn't burn.
5. Place EJmix in shot glass and place into a simmering pot to heat up. Add oil and mix for 5 minutes to it combines.
6. Add to nautilus mini tank and vape away.

So onto my questions: Do I have to decarb the fresh flower? Is 2-3 minute wash with everclear too short/long? Is the second freeze of 24 hours too short/long?

Thank you all.