cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
TKW, did you drop this somewhere we can find it? If you haven't, no rush, I just didn't want to miss it.
Discontinued Zion vaporizer
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Sorry @cybrguy that's my fault. I am having troubles with my web site but the web master is looking into it.
For now though we have temperature curves to share with you. In working with @stickstones his unit was running hotter than it needed to be. A bit of a wild horse that is hard to tame. After many hours of testing and design changes we ended up lowering the voltage and adding another two inches of heater element. This not only dropped the operating temperatures to a safer range it also generates a more uniform ABV with the added heater surface area.
The key learning is that the Zion continually climbs in temperature until you let off the button. If the device was able to hit a stable temperature it would require a long warm up time. The Zion heats rapidly to a max temperature and then cools back down to around 200 F in about 10 seconds after each draw. Learning how to use the device takes some time but once you do... game over.
http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/temperatures
So what does everyone think of the temperature ranges? Anyone wanna see @pakalolo new girl? She's a cute little redhead, Her name is Jessica. She's a little shy about going glueless in public.
For now though we have temperature curves to share with you. In working with @stickstones his unit was running hotter than it needed to be. A bit of a wild horse that is hard to tame. After many hours of testing and design changes we ended up lowering the voltage and adding another two inches of heater element. This not only dropped the operating temperatures to a safer range it also generates a more uniform ABV with the added heater surface area.
The key learning is that the Zion continually climbs in temperature until you let off the button. If the device was able to hit a stable temperature it would require a long warm up time. The Zion heats rapidly to a max temperature and then cools back down to around 200 F in about 10 seconds after each draw. Learning how to use the device takes some time but once you do... game over.
http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/temperatures
So what does everyone think of the temperature ranges? Anyone wanna see @pakalolo new girl? She's a cute little redhead, Her name is Jessica. She's a little shy about going glueless in public.
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thekarmawhore
Well-Known Member
Hello FC'ers, thank you for your patience! the'whore's been working on the floor.
The latest Zion 3d PDF is now available from the RBT website here (warning, large file ahead):
http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/2 zions_beta and prod.PDF
It features two units, they are identical except for the knobs. The sticky-outie one is the one that is currently planned for the first 100.
The primary differences vs. the original design are the addition of the lid, the full size battery access door and the recessed control features.
Enjoy!
edit to add: It probably won't show in your browser, you have to download it and open it in adobe reader, or other compatible program.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
The latest Zion 3d PDF is now available from the RBT website here (warning, large file ahead):
http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/2 zions_beta and prod.PDF
It features two units, they are identical except for the knobs. The sticky-outie one is the one that is currently planned for the first 100.
The primary differences vs. the original design are the addition of the lid, the full size battery access door and the recessed control features.
Enjoy!
edit to add: It probably won't show in your browser, you have to download it and open it in adobe reader, or other compatible program.
your pal,
thekarmawhore
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Smoke1ForMe
Well-Known Member
@RastaBuddhaTao and @thekarmawhore will we be getting the updated model after we do all of our testing? Or are we only getting the first release model? Just wondering how this will all work. Thanks!
TheDudeNextDoor
Abiding
I could be wrong, but I think the first 100 aren't "testers" in the official sense of the term (like the beta testers right now) but more like "early adopters." I'm hoping that maybe a discounted upgrade down the line for the first 100 might be a possibility, though.
HD Springer
Well-Known Member
Ya I've always been of the mindset of a pay-to-play type deal wihere the first buyers are also able to give feed back for whats working and what needs to change.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Too early to tell how much difference there may be between them. If the only real dif is whether a knob is recessed or not I can't see that as a problem for me. If it turns out that the first 100 find an oven problem or something like that I would suspect that RBT wouldn't even want them out there and would probably have us send them back to change the oven.
Well have to see how it works out. These are stand up guys, I'm not concerned.
Edit: Well, they SEEM like stand up guys...
Well have to see how it works out. These are stand up guys, I'm not concerned.
Edit: Well, they SEEM like stand up guys...
Yup... Told @stickstones he should send Sarah back for a heater upgrade lol.
The beta team and I have been discussing rollout. The idea here is to do a soft start. Although we just completed our forth iteration of the product and most of the engineering and characterization is done, there still might be some small issues that come up with the FC100. I expect that any issues that come up will be small... Slight fit issues with the cap, battery contacts are to loos on battery, issues with finish etc. some of the issues won't change the design but will add rigor to the quality plan to tighten control over say surface finish issues like smoothness. We would like to issue 10 units first. These will be sold to the most active members on the forum. These units should provide the Lion's share of the feedback for the few things that need to change. After several weeks we will make any required changes and produce another 30 units. These will be validation units that will be run through the full official manufacturing process with all production parts (example first 10 may have hand made screen retention rings). These will again see several weeks of use while we build the remaining units to complete the order. The. The whole FC fleet will see another month or so of use before we start full production release. This process could take as little as a few months or could take longer depending on what we find. Given that with @stickstones recent input and the optimization of the temperature profile I will be surprised if @pakalolo finds any significant issues with his unit.
This plan is intended to get the units out as fast as possible starting with guys like @HD Springer who's pay to play attitude make them ideal early adopters. Folks with more patience and less appetite for risk is lower can wait for the later unit.
I have a feeling that the second 90 units will be 97% finished and that there will be six months or more before we change the design. The play is iterate and test test test up to production launch and then don't change a thing in order to gain stability. I don't see much changing other than the button... And yes, the FC100 team can expect special treatment from RBT hopefully for many years to come!
The beta team and I have been discussing rollout. The idea here is to do a soft start. Although we just completed our forth iteration of the product and most of the engineering and characterization is done, there still might be some small issues that come up with the FC100. I expect that any issues that come up will be small... Slight fit issues with the cap, battery contacts are to loos on battery, issues with finish etc. some of the issues won't change the design but will add rigor to the quality plan to tighten control over say surface finish issues like smoothness. We would like to issue 10 units first. These will be sold to the most active members on the forum. These units should provide the Lion's share of the feedback for the few things that need to change. After several weeks we will make any required changes and produce another 30 units. These will be validation units that will be run through the full official manufacturing process with all production parts (example first 10 may have hand made screen retention rings). These will again see several weeks of use while we build the remaining units to complete the order. The. The whole FC fleet will see another month or so of use before we start full production release. This process could take as little as a few months or could take longer depending on what we find. Given that with @stickstones recent input and the optimization of the temperature profile I will be surprised if @pakalolo finds any significant issues with his unit.
This plan is intended to get the units out as fast as possible starting with guys like @HD Springer who's pay to play attitude make them ideal early adopters. Folks with more patience and less appetite for risk is lower can wait for the later unit.
I have a feeling that the second 90 units will be 97% finished and that there will be six months or more before we change the design. The play is iterate and test test test up to production launch and then don't change a thing in order to gain stability. I don't see much changing other than the button... And yes, the FC100 team can expect special treatment from RBT hopefully for many years to come!
You really get the feel that they do not want to fail(who does?). Has there ever been any OTHER way than pay for play?![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
MikeInMiami
Well-Known Member
Great update @RastaBuddhaTao ! I can't wait to hear the next one lol
And hopefully we can expect to hear from @pakalolo pretty soon regarding his initial thoughts
And hopefully we can expect to hear from @pakalolo pretty soon regarding his initial thoughts
So this would have been a good vid if I didn't step into the natural light and block it. Will redo and take some pics today but here it is for what it's worth.
Yeh that is the solid brushed aluminum knob that @thekarmawhore will be recessing into the wood till just a 1/4" sticks out. No chance of sheering that puppy off on the drop
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
"I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way"...
Well... She did come to life Easter weekend and all.
DH you can name yours what ever you find fitting of course
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Yes yes yes!
RBT, this here Zion is continuing to look more & more like the powerhouse portable I've been looking for to satisfy my needs around the house & around at friends. And then some.
The way the temp rockets is very impressive for sure, watching that vid I was like "faaaaaaaaaaaaahkin helllllllll!"
And ELEVEN!
Cherry good.
NickDlow
Log Hog
Damn freight trains lol. Keep up the great work! I can't wait to get my hands on one.
Yes great strides were made in refining the temperature profiles thanks to @stickstones input. I think @pakalolo won't be disappointed @MrPeanut and I spent the day yesterday tearing Jessica back apart to make one last refinement . The temperature curves to go along with the video can be found here...
http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/temperatures
. The temperature curves to go along with the video can be found here...http://www.rastabuddhatao.net/temperatures
thekarmawhore
Well-Known Member
you can tune a Zion, but you can't tuna fish?
ba dum bum!
ba dum bum!
I dunno. Sorry, but it all just looks like more awesomeness to me. Such pretty lines . . .
