What is a vape "Signature" and how are they different?

Tweak

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t-dub said:
Right now I am noticing a huge difference between Mighty/Crafty and EVO. Using EVO is like getting hit in the head with a feather pillow while Mighty/Crafty are like an angry swarm of killer bees on a methanol buzz.
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That's a very good description, I like it, :).

t-dub said:
my theories on why Mighty/Crafty hit so hard, they make me inhale more deeply.
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I've always stated my love for low resistant/high output vaporizers for this reason, big hits that I still have room to inhale them deeply really rocks my world. It's one reason I don't like using my Solo too often, takes my entire breath to get a decent cloud.
 
HD Springer

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I feel that there has to be a correlation between vapor temp to lung absorption.Dif terps might absorb faster/easier at certain temps in the lung.Ad this to everything everybody else has already said and I think "signature" is a way of explaining a vaporizers best attributes.Most if not all vapes has at least 1 good idea or "signature" even if its copied from some one else.
 
cybrguy

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macbill said:
When I combusted, I did it many ways. Mostly small individual-hit pipes for personal consumption, to larger pipes. I liked to smoke different ways. I have many vapes, and I actively use them. Especially recently, as some favorites (EVO, Mighty) had some warranty work done.

I enjoy vaping different ways, just as I enjoyed different ways to combust. It's all good.
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I've been thinking about this response and I must say that for me in smoking, the variables were reduced to practically nothing other than the particular product and it's potency, and how much of it I consumed. I didn't seem to get a different high from a one hitter or a joint than I did from a bong, although I must admit I wasn't looking for any difference.

So smoking is completely different for me. There is only one temp that matters, and that is the temp of combustion. Low temp actives are mostly burned away rapidly and not really consumed, so the only flavor you get is that of everything being released at once. Additional products of combustion (like benzine) are also released that aren't with vaping and may overwhelm more subtle elements.

So, I think there is much less opportunity in smoking for the differences we might see in different vapes, different temps, different technologies or different treatments.
 
His_Highness

His_Highness

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I've been happily stuck with the same really good strain for over a year (Damn not being in a legal state) so I'm in a good spot to discern the difference/signature between my only two vapes.

There is no doubt to me that there is a different signature between my MFLB and my Solo. Since rounding out my accessory collection for the Solo (thanks again Stickstones!) I might even say the accessory can change the signature some but the best method for me to relate to the difference is using them both without any accessory between me and the experience.
 
His_Highness

His_Highness

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cybrguy said:
Well, the same strain for a year and no tolerance issues. That certainly suggests something is keeping them at bay. At least if you are the type of person that has tolerance issues.
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I've never really had tolerance issues but I see the potential now that I've got the bubbler. We've only had it two days and its causing us to get exponentially higher than we ever have while vaping. Even higher than we have ever gotten combusting. The visual feedback is great for how much to inhale the big rip and it's so much easier to manage the temps correctly. Only used it twice and each time we've ended up in laughing fit, couch lock mode. Big thanks to Stickstones for directing the purchases but I'm also blaming him for dinner being two hours late two days in a row. :nod: I'm hiding the new toys till after dinner tonight! :rockon:

Back to the signature thang.....Having added the bubbler does change the Solo signature somewhat for me...the Solo signature without the bubbler is kinda like normal font and with the bubbler it's in bold. They're both still times-new-roman though :mental:
 
Melting Pot

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TeeJay1952 said:
A yard of ale or a shot glass? Is that a "glass signature?"
IMHO: Content, intent and time spent add to "signature"
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I don't know if that's a good definition of sig.
If I vape 5 stems rather than 1 I'm just feeling the affects of more meds!!!
Maybe better like this do u get same buzz from wine,spirits, ale,lager,ect might be a better example. IMO

That's just different serving size/amount.

Enjoy
 
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420democrat

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None of my daily vapes leave me feeling the same. I usually use 3 vapes a day. I.e i start the day with my esv because the high is uplifting and clear not very stony. Than when my drive home from work i pull out the indica which gets me a very stony high and is my only conduction vape. And when im home ill use my dbv to get wrecked. I load all the mentioned vapes with meds from same stash and grinder. And i feel a different effect from all 3 even at same temps and load sizes. Its a huge part of what makes every vape purchase exciting for me
 
kimura

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max said:
Even if there was a dictionary definition for the term, applied to vapes, it wouldn't be true that each model had a signature of some kind. It would be like saying each vape has a unique taste, which absolutely isn't true.

I don't know who's been spreading this murky BS but it does no favors to the vaporizing community.
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I'm curious - why the hostility towards this discussion? you seem really eager to dismiss the experience of many respected FC members and put a lid on this discussion. you're also stating your opinion as fact, which I thought was frowned upon around here.

and how does the discussion do a disservice to the community? what is wrong with some members acknowledging the value of having a variety of vapor tools at your disposal?

FWIW, I certainly do notice subtle differences between different units in terms of flavor as well as perceived effects
 
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stickstones

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420democrat said:
None of my daily vapes leave me feeling the same. I usually use 3 vapes a day. I.e i start the day with my esv because the high is uplifting and clear not very stony. Than when my drive home from work i pull out the indica which gets me a very stony high and is my only conduction vape. And when im home ill use my dbv to get wrecked. I load all the mentioned vapes with meds from same stash and grinder. And i feel a different effect from all 3 even at same temps and load sizes. Its a huge part of what makes every vape purchase exciting for me
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This is right in line with my experiences. The convection vape in the morning for uplifting. The conduction vape for stoney relax time. The big hitter for getting wrecked!
 
max

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kimura said:
why the hostility towards this discussion?
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Because a 'signature' is a vague, nebulous term that implies that every model is unique and 'some' have the experience or ability to ID that particular model due to its 'signature'.
kimura said:
you seem really eager to dismiss the experience of many respected FC members and put a lid on this discussion.
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You seem to be applying a particular emotion to my post- eagerness- that's not there, and if I was eager to put a lid on it, I'd have closed the thread and moved it to ABV.
kimura said:
you're also stating your opinion as fact, which I thought was frowned upon around here.
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Feel free to report me, or frown upon my post, as you like. I might have just shaken my head or rolled my eyes and moved on with no comment, like I've done in plenty of other situations, but I didn't in this case. Instead I posted and supplied you and others with something to disagree with and complain about. Better than just a bunch of 'yeah I agree' posts, don't you think?
kimura said:
and how does the discussion do a disservice to the community?
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I didn't say anything about discussion. My comment was about the opinion, which is in the same vein as saying every model has a distinct taste to it.
kimura said:
what is wrong with some members acknowledging the value of having a variety of vapor tools at your disposal?
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Neither the OP nor my post said anything about "vapor tools", so that's as nebulous to me as vape signature.
 
max,
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Joel W.

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Not sure about herb vapes but as for oils, I only have a hand full of vapes and they all taste slightly different to me. My goto vapes now are all either ceramic rods or donuts for some reason.. The 74 hits with more flavor than the 71 in my opinion but the difference are small.

Then I take a pull off of the same strain in a ceramic donut and I get a different taste/effect.. There is something about how a donut atomizes oils differently that I like compared to rods. I'd guess less power/ surface area equates to less heat and vapor but with more flavor. Like high temp dabs vs low temp dabs. both work just fine but the effects seem different along with the taste to me. I like lower temp dabs.
 
lwien

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max said:
Instead I posted and supplied you and others with something to disagree with and complain about. Better than just a bunch of 'yeah I agree' posts, don't you think?
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Better then a bunch of "yeah I agree" posts? ........I disagree...:brow:

I think there is value in "yeah, I agree posts" in that it can help to validate an opinion or statement made by someone else and THAT does have value as do posts that have a contrarian point of view. To me, they are both of equal value (although, maybe not equal from an entertainment point of view, eh?).
 
max

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kimura said:
by "vapor tools" I meant vaporizers. but I'm pretty sure you knew that
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Well I didn't, since the OP didn't reference vapor tools at all, but since you seem to think you see the problem here, other than simple disagreement, congrats on having the issue solved.
lwien said:
I think there is value in "yeah, I agree posts" in that it can help to validate an opinion or statement made by someone else and THAT does have value as do posts that have a contrarian point of view.
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I didn't say they had no value. I think that's a little too much reading between the lines, but you're certainly not alone there. There's obviously not much to discuss if all the opinions are either pro or con. My point was that 'signature', in this frame of reference, means that 'something' serves to set each model apart from all others. Even if the term was more specific in the OP, I wouldn't agree with it. That said, I have no further interest in debating the topic or separating what I posted from any conclusions people decide to draw. My post isn't the topic.
 
max,
Buildozer

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I'm definitely no scientist :spliff: but I feel that what we could be experiencing w/ this "Vape Signature" thing is the effects of different ratios of Convection, Radiation, and Conduction going on in these different vapes, and the different effects they have on the profile of actives present in the vapor they make.. Maybe something to do w/ Terpenes, and or a higher or lower ratio THC-->CBN degradation going on, depending on how each vape goes about extracting the actives (Temperature/Duration? Convection vs Radiation Etc....) :shrug:

I think "Vape Signature" is a great umbrella term.. It gives us a label so, as a group, we can attempt to get on the same page and discuss something that we don't really understand or have a firm grasp on.. It seems that a number of us seem to feel there something there :cheers: Maybe it will lead somewhere enlightening, or maybe it will lead to mass confusion and misinterpretation? :shrug: I feel that at the end of the day there's typically something to be gained from these type of opened-minded, subjective conversations, and I'm glad the thread was started.. It's interesting to hear others thoughts and theories on the subject.. :cheers:
 
Melting Pot

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I love it never thought about different stems, wood, glass ,s/s tip's j-hook's until this thread so yes I'm loven it.
At first I thought Sig only different vapes know we opened a whole other :worms:
I love any reason to vape more I got all my gear out :science: and I'm deep in testing the water's are merky as @max has stated. It's not becoming clear with all the Vapor in the air and all the BS in the water.But I am loving the affects of extreme testing.:rockon::rockon::rockon::science::science::mental:

Thanks for idea's!!!
 
RUDE BOY

RUDE BOY

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I like this topic but I gotta say I do understand where @max is coming from though too, as I can see confusion coming about due to there being no real consensus as to the definition of the term "Vape signature" just like when people talk about "vapor quality" or "efficiency".

I do know we don't all mean the same things 100% of the time when we use these terms.

Just reading this thread so far shows me this term has a rather broad interpretation and it's still only 2 pages long.


I'll still use all three of those terms but will work on ways to clarify their meanings(as i uderstand it) in the context of and in the post which I use 'em in in the future.

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Melting Pot

Melting Pot

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Really how deep do you want to go.Everything affects Everyone different. Sig descriptions are just everybody's different experience with a vape and or assessory.Imo It fits in the same book opinions are like asshole's everyone's got one. Lol enjoy
Still deep in testing no results.
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grokit

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I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that every model of vaporizer vaporizes herbs somewhat differently from a thermodynamic point of view. And then it is easy to extrapolate from there that because of these thermodynamic differences, different active ingredients get vaporized in different ratios.

There are 85 different phytocannabinoids in the mj plant, and close to 500 chemical compounds in a typical medical strain. Because these ingredients are more effective when used in synergy together than when isolated from one another, it seems entirely logical that there are a wide variety of possible effects available from the same strain when using these thermodynamically unique delivery systems.
 
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bounce5

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grokit said:
I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that every model of vaporizer model vaporizes herbs differently from a thermodynamic point of view. And then it is easy to extrapolate from there that because of these thermodynamic differences, different active ingredients get vaporized in different ratios.

There are 85 different phytocannabinoids in the mj plant, and close to 500 chemical compounds in a typical medical strain. Because these ingredients are more effective when used in synergy together than when isolated from one another, it seems entirely logical that there are a wide variety of possible effects available from the same strain when using these thermodynamically unique delivery systems.
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Wow, that is the best justification for VAS I've ever heard....:p......Maybe it really stems from PAS - Phytocannabinoid Aquisition Syndrome.
 
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